Cyber Heroes
Chapter 913
Chapter 913
The conversation with this subordinate of the Sixth Martial God reminded Xiang Shan once again of what Shen Yuanyan Ye said.
Although Shen Yuanyan made the choice to mix Ye and Shengzhu together, the designation is a bit serious.But in this matter, she really hit the nail on the head.
——Little girl, sharp teeth...
Xiang Shan commented on his past disciples in his heart.
This is indeed something that should be considered.There is a saying that without the suffering of others, don't persuade others to be kind.Even if the memories of the Eighth and Ninth Valkyrie were recovered... no, even if the memories of all the Valkyrie were recovered, Xiang Shan could not be counted as having lived continuously for 300 years.Every time he is reborn, his mentality will be reset to the most prosperous period.Even this time, he woke up in the wreckage of the starship without any memory.His mentality may be even younger than it was at the beginning.In this regard, he is different from all others.
Standing on this standpoint, asking others "Why don't you persevere" is really not hurting your back when you stand up and talk.
——In this case, what I should say to Yan Ye is actually...
——"Even if you can't hold on anymore, it's fine if you don't do anything...why go to the opposite of the past"...Is that so?
The martial artist seemed to know what Xiang Shan was thinking, and asked back, "Are you thinking about the matter between Senior Shenyuan and Senior Yang?"
Before setting off, Xiang Shan told the warrior that "Shen Yuanyan Ye and Yang Mengying have changed sides".
Of course he couldn't hide it.Such important information must be spread.In order to avoid dying under the sea other than myself, this news must be told to other people as much as possible.
The fact that the martial artist who did not want to be named followed out was amazing in itself.It seems that both the people and the whales at the base were startled.Ola Freeman lamented that "it should have been like this a long time ago".
"Oh." Xiang Shan nodded, "I'm a little troubled...but then again, you know me very well."
"When Xiang Shan... was under the command of the Sixth Valkyrie, the Sixth Valkyrie often discussed some issues with us fighters." The warrior said: "At that time, the White Ship Yicong didn't even exist. The place where we started our activities was Saturn In the ring. By continuously raiding and killing the outposts of reclamation organizations in the star ring, we gradually accumulated resources. For a while, some stations were clearly idling, but the asylum seekers just didn’t dare to stay for a long time. It was in this kind of station that we built I got the first warship that can be used for space battle, and then go to the asteroid belt..."
Xiang Shan nodded, admiring him very much: "You are an old knight."
"I'm joking. In the final analysis, my internal strength, external strength, and military skills are not top-notch. I switched to fighting behind the enemy's rear, and in the end it's... forget it, it's a thing of the past." The warrior shook his head: "What you are facing In fact, the Sixth Valkyrie has also faced troubles."
Xiang Shan turned pale with shock: "Who does he want to kill? Which old acquaintance?"
"This is not important. Some of the targets that the Sixth Warrior faced back then are already dead, and some of them you will meet one day." The warrior didn't look back: "And what you are thinking about now , has nothing to do with these things.”
Well, think about it carefully, the era when the sixth warrior was born was not long after the fourth warrior died, and the bad influence brought by the second and third warriors had not completely disappeared.The combination of several setbacks caused some knights to change their positions.
Xiang Shan smiled: "Then tell me, how does Lao Liu deal with this kind of problem?"
"About the 'trolley problem'..."
—a madman ties five innocent people to tram tracks.An out-of-control trolley was heading towards them and was about to run over them moments later.Fortunately, you can pull a lever to make the trolley move to another track.The problem, however, was that the madman had also tied up a man on another tramway.Considering the above situation, should you pull the lever?
"Ah, don't think about it." Xiang Shan waved his hand: "If you don't pull the lever, it doesn't matter which side you choose..."
"'Kill the kidnapper first'?"
Xiang Shan laughed out loud: "Isn't that very clear?"
This is very similar to the answer Xiang Shanhui would give.
"But there is no direct answer to the question." The man said: "This is like thinking about Galileo and Newton thinking about the pendulum problem, and then you say, 'human beings cannot maintain an absolute vacuum, this premise will not be true, this phenomenon will not occur, so Don't think about it'."
Xiang Shan nodded: "Well, it looks like something I would say."
Xiang Shan respects everyone who proposes a thought experiment.Through "simulation", the "cost" of experiments is reduced, and experiments that would otherwise be impossible appear in the imagination of human beings - this is the most valuable ability of Homo sapiens.
People who question the actual meaning of the "trolley problem" are like questioning the meaning of "ideal plane" and "ideal vacuum" to physics.
"So, what did the sixth man say?" Xiang Shan said, "Should I abide by morality and kill my past disciples without hesitation? For the sake of the world."
"This question shouldn't be asked to me. It was originally a question without a standard answer." The warrior said: "Of course, what I want to tell you is that as a person who makes a passive choice, no matter which side he chooses, others will There should be no accusations."
Xiang Shan thought for a moment. The thought experiment of "Trolley Dilemma" is essentially to criticize "utilitarianism" - to regard "the sum of the pain and happiness of each individual involved in the behavior is the most positive" as "the greatest good", "the greatest good" is For the "group happiness is the greatest" ideological tendency.
From the perspective of the "trolley problem", "utilitarianism" will reveal a self-contradictory situation.Based on the principle of "maximizing the interests of the group", it should be correct to "save more and kill less".But "sacrificing an innocent" is not good.And "inaction" seems to violate the principle of "maximizing the interests of the group", and it is not good.Absolute goodness does not exist.
Similar to many math problems.The answer to the question is meaningless, its existence itself, and the process of thinking about it, are its value.
"In order to reshape the spirit of the public, the Fourth Martial God has organized discussions on similar issues on the Internet many times." The warrior said: "When the war is not tense, the Sixth Martial God will pull us soldiers together every week to discuss Thought experiments that don’t have answers—the process of discussing them is more important than the answers.”
Xiang Shan applauded: "As expected of me... I really like your atmosphere. Xiang Shan's group also liked this 300 years ago. But then again, 'No matter which side you choose, you should not be accused from a moral level', right? Is it also an escape from the trolley problem?"
Think about the trolley problem before meeting your old friend... The mental state of the Sixth Valkyrie is also worrying.
The warrior shrugged: "I'm just telling you what the Sixth Valkyrie would do in a similar situation. You and his ideas are almost identical, and this may help you too."
(End of this chapter)
The conversation with this subordinate of the Sixth Martial God reminded Xiang Shan once again of what Shen Yuanyan Ye said.
Although Shen Yuanyan made the choice to mix Ye and Shengzhu together, the designation is a bit serious.But in this matter, she really hit the nail on the head.
——Little girl, sharp teeth...
Xiang Shan commented on his past disciples in his heart.
This is indeed something that should be considered.There is a saying that without the suffering of others, don't persuade others to be kind.Even if the memories of the Eighth and Ninth Valkyrie were recovered... no, even if the memories of all the Valkyrie were recovered, Xiang Shan could not be counted as having lived continuously for 300 years.Every time he is reborn, his mentality will be reset to the most prosperous period.Even this time, he woke up in the wreckage of the starship without any memory.His mentality may be even younger than it was at the beginning.In this regard, he is different from all others.
Standing on this standpoint, asking others "Why don't you persevere" is really not hurting your back when you stand up and talk.
——In this case, what I should say to Yan Ye is actually...
——"Even if you can't hold on anymore, it's fine if you don't do anything...why go to the opposite of the past"...Is that so?
The martial artist seemed to know what Xiang Shan was thinking, and asked back, "Are you thinking about the matter between Senior Shenyuan and Senior Yang?"
Before setting off, Xiang Shan told the warrior that "Shen Yuanyan Ye and Yang Mengying have changed sides".
Of course he couldn't hide it.Such important information must be spread.In order to avoid dying under the sea other than myself, this news must be told to other people as much as possible.
The fact that the martial artist who did not want to be named followed out was amazing in itself.It seems that both the people and the whales at the base were startled.Ola Freeman lamented that "it should have been like this a long time ago".
"Oh." Xiang Shan nodded, "I'm a little troubled...but then again, you know me very well."
"When Xiang Shan... was under the command of the Sixth Valkyrie, the Sixth Valkyrie often discussed some issues with us fighters." The warrior said: "At that time, the White Ship Yicong didn't even exist. The place where we started our activities was Saturn In the ring. By continuously raiding and killing the outposts of reclamation organizations in the star ring, we gradually accumulated resources. For a while, some stations were clearly idling, but the asylum seekers just didn’t dare to stay for a long time. It was in this kind of station that we built I got the first warship that can be used for space battle, and then go to the asteroid belt..."
Xiang Shan nodded, admiring him very much: "You are an old knight."
"I'm joking. In the final analysis, my internal strength, external strength, and military skills are not top-notch. I switched to fighting behind the enemy's rear, and in the end it's... forget it, it's a thing of the past." The warrior shook his head: "What you are facing In fact, the Sixth Valkyrie has also faced troubles."
Xiang Shan turned pale with shock: "Who does he want to kill? Which old acquaintance?"
"This is not important. Some of the targets that the Sixth Warrior faced back then are already dead, and some of them you will meet one day." The warrior didn't look back: "And what you are thinking about now , has nothing to do with these things.”
Well, think about it carefully, the era when the sixth warrior was born was not long after the fourth warrior died, and the bad influence brought by the second and third warriors had not completely disappeared.The combination of several setbacks caused some knights to change their positions.
Xiang Shan smiled: "Then tell me, how does Lao Liu deal with this kind of problem?"
"About the 'trolley problem'..."
—a madman ties five innocent people to tram tracks.An out-of-control trolley was heading towards them and was about to run over them moments later.Fortunately, you can pull a lever to make the trolley move to another track.The problem, however, was that the madman had also tied up a man on another tramway.Considering the above situation, should you pull the lever?
"Ah, don't think about it." Xiang Shan waved his hand: "If you don't pull the lever, it doesn't matter which side you choose..."
"'Kill the kidnapper first'?"
Xiang Shan laughed out loud: "Isn't that very clear?"
This is very similar to the answer Xiang Shanhui would give.
"But there is no direct answer to the question." The man said: "This is like thinking about Galileo and Newton thinking about the pendulum problem, and then you say, 'human beings cannot maintain an absolute vacuum, this premise will not be true, this phenomenon will not occur, so Don't think about it'."
Xiang Shan nodded: "Well, it looks like something I would say."
Xiang Shan respects everyone who proposes a thought experiment.Through "simulation", the "cost" of experiments is reduced, and experiments that would otherwise be impossible appear in the imagination of human beings - this is the most valuable ability of Homo sapiens.
People who question the actual meaning of the "trolley problem" are like questioning the meaning of "ideal plane" and "ideal vacuum" to physics.
"So, what did the sixth man say?" Xiang Shan said, "Should I abide by morality and kill my past disciples without hesitation? For the sake of the world."
"This question shouldn't be asked to me. It was originally a question without a standard answer." The warrior said: "Of course, what I want to tell you is that as a person who makes a passive choice, no matter which side he chooses, others will There should be no accusations."
Xiang Shan thought for a moment. The thought experiment of "Trolley Dilemma" is essentially to criticize "utilitarianism" - to regard "the sum of the pain and happiness of each individual involved in the behavior is the most positive" as "the greatest good", "the greatest good" is For the "group happiness is the greatest" ideological tendency.
From the perspective of the "trolley problem", "utilitarianism" will reveal a self-contradictory situation.Based on the principle of "maximizing the interests of the group", it should be correct to "save more and kill less".But "sacrificing an innocent" is not good.And "inaction" seems to violate the principle of "maximizing the interests of the group", and it is not good.Absolute goodness does not exist.
Similar to many math problems.The answer to the question is meaningless, its existence itself, and the process of thinking about it, are its value.
"In order to reshape the spirit of the public, the Fourth Martial God has organized discussions on similar issues on the Internet many times." The warrior said: "When the war is not tense, the Sixth Martial God will pull us soldiers together every week to discuss Thought experiments that don’t have answers—the process of discussing them is more important than the answers.”
Xiang Shan applauded: "As expected of me... I really like your atmosphere. Xiang Shan's group also liked this 300 years ago. But then again, 'No matter which side you choose, you should not be accused from a moral level', right? Is it also an escape from the trolley problem?"
Think about the trolley problem before meeting your old friend... The mental state of the Sixth Valkyrie is also worrying.
The warrior shrugged: "I'm just telling you what the Sixth Valkyrie would do in a similar situation. You and his ideas are almost identical, and this may help you too."
(End of this chapter)
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