Datang Nongwang

Chapter 785 Judicial Temple

The three lords and the nine ministers are extremely human ministers.

Although the original Jiuqing is still Jiuqing, the power has changed. Compared with the previous Jiuqing, it is much lighter and smaller.

Judging from the grade of Jiusiqing, only Taichangqing is the third grade, which is equal to the six ministers, as well as Shizhong and Zhongshuling.

As for Sinongqing or Zong Zhengqing, they are only from the third grade.

But now, Li Shimin suddenly announced that he would build a judicial temple.

Turn the original nine ministers into ten ministers.

This is a reform, and it is also a sudden reform.

Even, on the basis of today's court meeting, it was suddenly announced that the tenth temple would be built, which made the court officials a little confused, and they didn't know whether Li Shimin's sudden announcement of this decision was a long-awaited plan or a whim.

They were attacking each other endlessly just now.

The sudden change of painting style made all court officials still a little bit unacceptable.

And the sudden announcement that the tenth temple will be established made the ministers really confused about Li Shimin's context.

This is not.

Fang Xuanling immediately stood up and asked: "Your Majesty, since ancient times, there have been three lords and nine ministers, and our dynasty is determined according to the ancient times. The Holy Majesty suddenly said that he would build a Judicial Temple. Is this against the ancient system?"

"Your Majesty, what is the positioning of this Judiciary Temple? Will it overlap with other temples and the six ministries?" Changsun Wuji also stood up and asked.

Even Wei Zheng stepped forward and asked about the purpose of the establishment of Judicial Temple.

All the ministers were trembling just now, but when they turned to Li Shimin's words, although the trembling was slow, at the same time, they were a little more unhappy.

As usual.

If Li Shimin wants to formulate some laws and regulations, he will definitely call his ministers to discuss it.

Even if it is a small matter, they will be asked for their opinions.

But now, the important matter of building a temple came so suddenly, and they had never asked them for any opinions as usual, and the court announced that they would build a tenth temple.

This made them feel that Li Shimin had changed, had become selfish, and began to disregard the ideas of the ministers.

even.

These ministers have already begun to wonder whether they are not welcomed by Li Shimin.

Whether it is true or not, who knows, only Li Shimin knows it in his heart.

but.

Li Chongyuan also knows something.

Regarding the establishment of the Judicial Temple, Li Chongyuan really didn't think about it at first, but after Li Shimin announced that he would build the Judicial Temple, Li Chongyuan immediately understood Li Shimin's intention.

Come on.

Once when Li Chongyuan entered the palace, he also told Li Shimin that the Tang Dynasty was getting bigger and bigger, and the population was also increasing. Although there were many laws, they were not implemented much.

It's like the ministers of the DPRK and China negotiated a decree with Li Shimin, but after the decree was issued to the counties, there were no actual legal provisions to assist the implementation of the decree.

At that time, Li Chongyuan once said that the Tang Dynasty did not have the most basic constitution. Not much restrictive force.

to this end.

Li Chongyuan said that the Tang Dynasty needed a basic constitution. All laws and regulations had to be drawn up according to the constitution, and then issued and promulgated, and they had to reach any village and town, so that all the people knew what these laws were and so on.

After committing a crime, what crime will I be sentenced to?

Whether to be imprisoned, exiled, or beheaded, etc.

As for such remarks, Li Chongyuan said it a few years ago. In the past few years, Li Chongyuan has been overseas, so he never mentioned it.

but.

In the past few days, Li Chongyuan had chatted with Wang Lixi about judicial affairs.

Just like what Li Chongyuan said to Wang Li.

According to the things I have investigated in Sinong Temple, those people who are corrupt and perverting the law, according to the law, at most they are demoted, and those who are more serious are just exiled as officials.

No matter how serious it is, it is the same, exiled to the south of the Lingnan, or to the direction of the Western Regions to serve as officials, and never allowed to return to Beijing.

If it is very serious, it will be dismissed and investigated, and then exiled.

The cost of such a crime was so low that Li Chongyuan complained in front of the royal court, and even said in front of Wang Li that the laws of the Tang Dynasty were too light, and he also scolded the Yushitai who made the laws and the officials of the Ministry of Punishments. that kind of people.

At the same time, Li Chongyuan also said in front of Wang Li that the judiciary is the foundation of the country, and the country needs to be treated equally to make the country strong and so on.

In short.

In the past few days, because of this incident, Li Chongyuan often talked about judicial matters in front of Wang Li.

And today.

Li Shimin suddenly said that he wanted to build the Judicial Temple. Although Li Chongyuan understood it, he didn't know what Li Shimin's final idea was. He was looking forward to Li Shimin's idea in his heart.

At least, Li Chongyuan thought that he had spoken about judicial matters in front of Li Shimin, and complained about the low cost of crimes committed by officials in front of Wang Li.

Originally, this court meeting was the civil servants' criticism and accusation against Li Chongyuan.

And Li Chongyuan also planned to present to Li Shimin all the hard work he had investigated in the past few days, hoping that Li Chongwu would punish these corrupt officials.

But in the end, I didn't think of it.

The change of Li Shimin's painting style was too sudden. When Li Chongyuan thought about it, he felt that Li Shimin would downplay this matter, or he was afraid that there would be too many opposition voices in the court, which would make him passive, so he had no choice but to ignore it. Only after this matter did they say that the Judiciary Temple will be established.

I don't know, and I don't know.

but.

Li Chongyuan really wanted to hear how Li Shimin responded to the inquiries of Fang Xuanling and others at this moment, and wanted to know Li Shimin's ultimate goal in establishing the Judicial Temple.

After everyone's questioning, Li Shimin glanced at everyone and said: "The laws of my Tang Dynasty were originally formulated by Yushitai and the Ministry of Punishments. For this reason, I want to build a Judicial Temple to establish all the laws and regulations of our Tang Dynasty, and no ministries have the right to intervene. In this way, after the laws are written, people of all colors who commit crimes will be punished according to the law. Even if an official, gentry, royal family, etc. break the law, they will be sentenced according to the laws established by the Judiciary Temple. Even if I violate the laws, I should be sentenced according to the laws."

"Your Majesty, you can't do that. Since ancient times, the king, relatives and teachers of heaven and earth have been the most important things. The Holy Majesty is the Son of Heaven. How can an emperor break the law and commit the same crime as the common people? Besides, the laws made by Yushitai and the Ministry of Punishment have been in effect for many years. If it is changed now, it will be chaotic." Fang Xuanling was the first to stand up and object after hearing Li Shimin's narration.

At the same time, Changsun Wuji also stood up and objected: "Your Majesty, the ministers are also opposed. Since the Qin and Han Dynasties, each dynasty has its own yamen to formulate laws. As well as the Yushitai legislation, although there were changes in the Southern and Northern Dynasties, it was also the Dali Temple that made the legislation. Since the previous dynasty, it has also been made by the Ministry of Punishment and the Dali Temple. If it is suddenly transferred to one of its departments to formulate laws, such people will hide If you are ignorant of yourself, then the law will only be for yourself, and will never treat everyone equally. For this reason, I object."

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"The minister waits for a second opinion."

There are many objections.

The opposing views remain the same, without any change.

Even among those who are generals, there are a small number of people who disagree.

Li Shimin wanted to build Judicial Temple, Li Chongyuan looked at the current situation, it seems that it may not be possible.

The king of a country wanted to do something, but was opposed by so many people. This is a good show to watch.

Li Chongyuan stood in the center, thinking about retreating, but felt that his business was not over yet, so it was not easy to retreat.

Don't retreat, at this time, we are talking about the establishment of Judicial Temple.

Li Chongyuan raised his hands in favor of the establishment of Judicial Temple.

But Li Chongyuan was also afraid that after the Judicial Temple was established, the laws and regulations enacted would be the same as they are now, and there would be no major changes. The officials of the people are good, otherwise, the construction of the Judicial Temple would be in vain. On the contrary, there will be a lot of official positions, which will be cheaper for those who want to climb up.

Li Chongyuan moved lightly, wanting to return to his position.

Anyway, it's just discussing the Judiciary Temple now, standing in the middle like a monkey, it's a bit embarrassing.

But just when Li Chongyuan moved lightly, Li Shimin suddenly cast a look over, and Li Chongyuan stopped his legs immediately by this look.

Li Shimin walked up to Li Chongyuan with light steps, stretched out his hand and patted Li Chongyuan's shoulder and said, "I have been trying to build Judicial Temple for several years. My Great Tang seems to be prosperous and prosperous, and all the people in Fanbang yearn for my Great Tang Chang'an. In other prefectures and counties of the Tang Dynasty, officials bullying the people happened from time to time. The people are water, and the court is a boat. Water can carry a boat, but it can also overturn it. See me in the Tang Dynasty because the law is not clear, the officials don't do it, and they deceive the people so that my dynasty will be covered by water."

"I have been watching the court for more than ten years. I know who is upright and strict, and who is really for my Tang Dynasty. Just now you sued Li Chongyuan for countless crimes. Some of the crimes even made me want to laugh out loud. In Li Chongyuan's words Said, I think hehe. As an official of the court, whether he is in Beijing or outside, Li Chongyuan has been an official since now, who can do what you expect him to do? To sacrifice his own wealth for the people of the world?"

"unmanned!"

"You sue Li Chongyuan, do you have evidence? Who can show it! No one can show it!"

"Li Chongyuan once said to me that what the law talks about is evidence, and what it talks about is strictness. If the law can only be punished by hearing the wind, then anyone in my court can hear the wind and tell the story. Therefore, From now on, if you want to sue anyone, please present evidence before suing, don't go to the court to sue after hearsay. I don't want to hear it, and I don't want to see such an official in the courtroom. There is a lot of nonsense in the court."

"I have been thinking about the Judiciary Temple for several years. Over the years, I have also thought clearly. Laws must be established, laws must be enforced, officials and people are equal, and there is no distinction between superiors. Han Feizi once said that the law is not noble, so the prince broke the law. It should be the same crime as the common people. However, I don’t agree with Han Feizi’s harsh punishment and heavy punishment, so I want to build the Judicial Temple.”

This long speech by Li Shimin can be said to be the first time.

Li Chongyuan was very proud of being patted on the shoulder by him, and then defended him.

Li Chongyuan didn't expect that at this juncture, Li Shimin would ignore the officials' accusations against him, and instead protect him, so he was inevitably a little proud.

But under Li Shimin's long speech, all court officials seemed to have nothing to say, and no one objected.

Quiet.

After a quarter of an hour of silence, someone suddenly asked: "My lord, how is the Judiciary Temple located? I have nine temples in my court, and it is supposed to be under the nine temples."

"That's right, the Holy Majesty wants to build the Judicial Temple, and we already have nine temples in our dynasty, so it is reasonable for the Judicial Temple to be lower than the Nine Temples."

"I also think that Judicial Temple should be lower than Nine Temples. Moreover, Nine Temples have existed since ancient times. I think it should be equal to Military Weapons Supervision."

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Well, after Li Shimin's long speech, these court officials changed their style of painting again, and began to discuss the organizational system of the Judicial Temple.

Standing in the center, Li Chongyuan wanted to laugh and cry when he heard what these people said.

Li Chongyuan reckoned that the matter of Sinong Temple might end like this.

Li Chongyuan even reckoned that Li Shimin would not wantonly pursue those corrupt and perverted people in Sinong Temple, and would only punish a few leaders at most.

As for the people involved, I'm afraid they won't be held accountable.

This is where Li Chongyuan wanted to cry.

At least, Li Chongyuan can draw such a conclusion from the call Li Shimin said and the current situation.

of course.

Li Chongyuan also had another conclusion, that is, the matter of the officials suing Li Chongyuan might end with a phone call from Li Shimin.

This is the point where Li Chongyuan wanted to laugh but didn't know how to laugh.

And what made Li Chongyuan want to laugh the most was the change of these court officials, which really caught Li Chongyuan's eyes.

Li Shimin didn't seem to listen to the opinions of the court officials, and continued to speak: "Judicial Temple is independent of all temples, independent of all yamen. The original intention of its establishment is to make laws, and even more so to judge The Ministry of Punishment, Dali Temple, and the criminal cases of the states. From the second rank, the ministries have no right to intervene in the affairs of the Judicial Temple."

'boom'.

When Li Shimin said this, everyone was shocked.

A Judicial Temple yamen to be established has such a high grade, and it is the Ministry of Punishment and the two major yamen of Dali Temple.

Isn't this just splitting out one of the six parts?
Isn't this going to take away all the powers of the Ministry of Punishment?
No one has thought of such a setting, and no one can understand it.

Even Li Chongyuan couldn't understand Li Shimin's setting, and felt that Li Shimin had taken the wrong medicine.

How can there be a Judicial Temple that has not yet been established, directly bypassing the six departments.

Even under the door, Zhongshusheng was suppressed, reaching the level of Shangshusheng.

Menxia Province and Zhongshu Province, the servants of these two provinces and Zhongshu Ling are the prime ministers. Although the rank is the same as that of the six departments, they have greater power.

But according to Li Shimin's setting, this Judicial Temple is completely an independent yamen, and the secretary of the Judicial Temple is at the same level as the left and right servants of Shang Shusheng.

Although he only cares about law-making and criminal cases, he can't hold back a rank as high as the second rank.

but.

When Li Chongyuan thought about it, he understood Li Shimin's setting.

(End of this chapter)