Xinshun 1730
Chapter 293 The third possibility
Chapter 293 The third possibility
Liu Yu also took the Duke Qi's warning to heart, thinking that this is good, so as to avoid trouble in the future.
"What the Duke said is true, I have written it down. No rules, no rules. Since His Majesty set up a single task to deal with these Xiyi, the Ministry of Foreign Affairs is in charge of negotiating with these Xiyi. Confucius did not say that Well, do what you want without breaking the rules.”
Qi Guogong showed a smile on his face. When he left, Liu Yu still had too much vigor, and his body had too many edges and corners.
At that time, I was still young, so I was nothing.Just now, I asked Liu Yu to pay attention to some rules. I thought that Liu Yu would mutter something like "too many constraints, and it is too difficult to get things done" as in the past, but I didn't think that was not the case, but honestly. agreed.
"I know you have always regarded the Westerners as your great enemy, and I think so does Your Majesty. Even though the founding of the dynasty was so difficult, there is one thing that you have to 'thank' the Eastern captives back then. The court will pay attention to Western affairs. "
A word of thanks may sound like an irony, but it is actually a truth.
What happened in the Jiashen year made many people from the temples to the rivers and lakes have a strong sense of urgency for external threats.
It's a bit like the founding of the Han Dynasty. When it came up, it was bullied by the Huns. Bai Deng was surrounded by Wenjing to cultivate himself.
Dashun also has the same meaning, and the difference is not small.Back then when Hou Jin raised his army, he was very inconspicuous, but he almost sank the world. This is also the reason why Li Gan could listen to Liu Yu's "disaster in the East China Sea": the Dutch seem to be small, who knows that there will be another descendant in the future? gold?
Who can guarantee that those small countries that seem to have no threat at this time will become the end of the Ming Dynasty in the future?
Taking history as a mirror, I finally discovered some truth at this time.
The Duke of Qi knew that Liu Yu wanted to accomplish something, so he said these words to comfort Liu Yu, telling him that since the imperial court had set up the Ministry of Foreign Affairs, although the powers and responsibilities were unclear at this time, the history of the end of the Ming Dynasty was a lesson. People's vigilance is still high enough.
"Should be normal, Westerners are human beings, and there are some principles that can be applied here, as well as Westerners. Before that, there was no one who knew Westerners very well except you. Those missionaries have their own ideas. Mind, if it is not my race, its mind must be different."
"I heard that at the beginning of the military reform, His Majesty asked you about the new military art of war. You said that everything you have learned in your life has been recorded in a book, and you have nothing to hide."
"You are very smart in this matter. You should be equally smart in dealing with Westerners. What your majesty needs is a talent who is better than others, not a genius who must be him. Can you Know the difference?"
Thinking that his family will be more deeply tied to Liu Yu in the future, although some things have not been clearly stated, when he speaks, he naturally adopts the tone of some elders.
He must be better than others, Liu Yu understands the difference between the two.
Qi Guogong also made his words very clear, and he hurriedly said: "Guo Gong is worried, I understand the difference. The more people who understand, the more people who know, the more your majesty will be more at ease when you use me."
"Isn't the Duke just going to be in charge of the translation? It just so happens that I need to translate the brief history and culture of these Western countries for the rules of future translations. I will write about the affairs of the Western countries in more detail. "
"I'm just a middle-of-the-road person. It's nothing more than being close to the water and being able to get the moon first, and knowing some Western affairs earlier than others. The Chinese people are outstanding, and the art of maneuvering is even disputed by a hundred schools of thought. As long as more people know about the affairs of the Western countries, No matter how beneficial or disadvantageous, the Ministry of Foreign Affairs must not be short of talents.”
When Qi Guogong saw him on the road, he said with a smile: "Exactly. Don't talk about you, just talk about me. I can occupy this high position. , They are all brought out by thousands of troops and horses, and I wait for those who rely on the merits of our ancestors to compare."
"You are a smart person. What you can think of, others can think of. They can't think of it, not because you are smarter than them, but because you know Western affairs earlier than them; I have been able to handle some affairs since I was an adult. It’s because I’m so smart, it’s just that I’ve been exposed to it since I was a child.”
Liu Yu said yes, but he said in his heart that although this made a lot of sense, it was not always true when it fell on the Ministry of Foreign Affairs.
This is not because of being smart or not, but because of the difference in the way of thinking.
Different ways of looking at problems lead to different ways of solving them. Knowing the history and culture of Western countries is only the beginning, knowing what is primitive accumulation and what is colonial trade, and knowing how to stand in the perspective of China, which is different from the Celestial Dynasty, is the only way to do it. Make some decisions.
It's just that he can't say this, and he also understands that his background determines that the more he shares, the more he trusts the emperor.
As long as I share many things completely and don't hide them, the emperor will reuse them more if he has less worries.
There is no need for Qi Guogong to say this, Tian Zhenyi said it before she went to Weihai to "train troops at a small station".
Military training is fine, but it must be reproducible. Others can follow the same method, and they can still practice.Otherwise, the Western Regions will definitely, the more capable the Qingzhou Army can fight, the more likely Liu Yu will be made a Marquis and squat in the capital, and there will be no possibility of doing major things anymore.
At that time, Liu Yu thought it was right, but he never thought that father and daughter were all in the same tune.
Although the matter of the Ministry of Foreign Affairs is not comparable to military training, the emperor is determined to do this. He hopes to continue the diplomacy with Western countries, but he does not want Liu Yu to become the only one in the imperial court who can deal with Westerners.
The establishment of the Ministry of Foreign Affairs can be regarded as Dashun bypassing the scope of "the world" and began to try to deal with the outside world.
I am not afraid of bureaucratization, but I am afraid that there is no chance of bureaucratization.Anyway, it's a rotten world now, and no one is more efficient than anyone else.
In addition, Liu Yu also felt that it was not an option to continue as before. With more and more foreign exchanges, if he was caught by himself, he would really become "Foreign Minister and Secretary of the Navy".Instead of waiting for the emperor to feel bad, it is better to let go now.
"Duke, there is another matter to be entrusted to you. A strong man from Batavia in Nanyang came to tell about the oppression of the Chinese in Bacheng. This man is also a character, and he has the heart to do great things. But this matter needs to be discussed in the long-term after all, because the people of the Celestial Dynasty in Eba City have to rely on the Ministry of Foreign Affairs to resolve it.”
"As the saying goes, those who are good fighters have no great achievements, and those who are good at planning have no great reputation. It is best to suppress this matter before the Dutch do it. Don't wait for the Dutch to imitate the Spaniards after they carried out massacres in Luzon. Send a letter of condemnation."
He told Qi Guogong about Lianhuaiguan, and then roughly talked about Batavia's situation.
Qi Guogong should be one of the few people in the court who knew that Nanyang would be attacked in the future, and he was immersed in the dirtiest place in the world like the court for decades, so he knew what Liu Yu meant when he heard it.
After listening, Qi Guogong laughed involuntarily.
"You have found a lot of work for my Ministry of Foreign Affairs. Otherwise, this matter will either be handled by the Fujian Jiedu envoy or the Li government. Since you have snatched the hand, I can just use my hands and feet. .”
"But this matter is also a hot one. If I don't take over, if the Dutch really do massacre, the Li government will probably say that the overall situation is the most important thing. The people who go to sea are far away and commit crimes. The Dutch can't blame them for dealing with them." .”
"But if my Ministry of Foreign Affairs takes over, if I really don't control the situation and the Dutch start to slaughter, I will be referred to a book, saying that I ignore the overseas Chinese and so on. But I want to control the situation and even advocate war I’m afraid some people will say that it’s worthless to spend millions of money and food for the overseas survivors, and it’s better to use it for river construction and exemption.”
"You want to pick millet from the fire, and I can only hold my hands. After all, you only considered one possibility."
"But, Shouchang, have you thought about another possibility? Let me ask you, if the Dutch send back all the overseas Chinese from Java, will the Chinese take it or not?"
This question stopped Liu Yu immediately.
Thinking according to the inertia of history, he felt that there were only two possibilities: massacre and driving to Ambon, Banda Ceylon.
But when Qi Guogong reminded him, he suddenly woke up.
My heart said yes, the form has changed, as Dashun began to get involved in official negotiations with them, if the Dutch really felt that those sugarcane growers were cumbersome, they would probably send them back to Fujian.
If the Dutch did this, how would they deal with it?
Taking a breath, while thinking about it, Duke Qi smiled and said, "Naturally, we can't accept it. Fujian has many mountains and little land, so it's hard to support too many people, so we went to sea. If they all come back, they will have no land and no livelihood. , it is necessary to cause chaos."
"Besides, if we want to manage Nanyang in the future, our race will have a different heart, and we must have immigrants."
"There are overseas people in Java, and there is oppression by the Netherlands. If I go there, the people will be relieved and the king will support them; if there are no people, they will conquer Java and force them to immigrate from Fujian. .”
"In the long run, if the Dutch want to send them back, we absolutely cannot accept them."
Hearing Qi Guogong's attitude, Liu Yu was a little relieved, nodded and said: "Extremely! Extremely! If those people don't come back, let's go to relieve the people. After returning, don't talk about making trouble, and then move there in the future, that's another matter." There is a saying. Batavian and other ghost places go to Ili and Liaodong in the Western Regions. If they are forced to relocate, there will be all kinds of complaints. I don’t know how many families and wives are separated. What’s more in places like that?”
Qi Guogong smiled and said: "So let me tell you, you have found me a hot problem. But this matter is easy to solve, you need to give me a letter of approval. How long will it take for Weihai's navy to be [-]% sure? The Dutch who beat Nanyang?"
This time, Qi Guogong neither asked why nor asked why, but with a completely trusting attitude, he only hoped that Liu Yu would give a specific time.
Liu Yu thought for a moment, then stretched out three fingers.
"Three years."
"Three years? That's easy to say."
Hearing that it was three years, Duke Qi felt relieved.
"I don't dare to say too much. I can still wear it out in three years. When I negotiated with the Raksha people, you fought in Heilongjiang, and I was talking nonsense in the Selenge River. I also talked with the Raksha people for a year. Then this never mind."
"Now let's sort it out. The Dutch have three possibilities."
"One, massacre."
"Second, move to Ambon and Ceylon."
"Third, send them back to Fujian."
"Yes, we must ensure that the first possibility will not happen, and the third possibility must rely on diplomatic wrangling. Try to strive for the second possibility. Is that what you mean?"
(End of this chapter)
Liu Yu also took the Duke Qi's warning to heart, thinking that this is good, so as to avoid trouble in the future.
"What the Duke said is true, I have written it down. No rules, no rules. Since His Majesty set up a single task to deal with these Xiyi, the Ministry of Foreign Affairs is in charge of negotiating with these Xiyi. Confucius did not say that Well, do what you want without breaking the rules.”
Qi Guogong showed a smile on his face. When he left, Liu Yu still had too much vigor, and his body had too many edges and corners.
At that time, I was still young, so I was nothing.Just now, I asked Liu Yu to pay attention to some rules. I thought that Liu Yu would mutter something like "too many constraints, and it is too difficult to get things done" as in the past, but I didn't think that was not the case, but honestly. agreed.
"I know you have always regarded the Westerners as your great enemy, and I think so does Your Majesty. Even though the founding of the dynasty was so difficult, there is one thing that you have to 'thank' the Eastern captives back then. The court will pay attention to Western affairs. "
A word of thanks may sound like an irony, but it is actually a truth.
What happened in the Jiashen year made many people from the temples to the rivers and lakes have a strong sense of urgency for external threats.
It's a bit like the founding of the Han Dynasty. When it came up, it was bullied by the Huns. Bai Deng was surrounded by Wenjing to cultivate himself.
Dashun also has the same meaning, and the difference is not small.Back then when Hou Jin raised his army, he was very inconspicuous, but he almost sank the world. This is also the reason why Li Gan could listen to Liu Yu's "disaster in the East China Sea": the Dutch seem to be small, who knows that there will be another descendant in the future? gold?
Who can guarantee that those small countries that seem to have no threat at this time will become the end of the Ming Dynasty in the future?
Taking history as a mirror, I finally discovered some truth at this time.
The Duke of Qi knew that Liu Yu wanted to accomplish something, so he said these words to comfort Liu Yu, telling him that since the imperial court had set up the Ministry of Foreign Affairs, although the powers and responsibilities were unclear at this time, the history of the end of the Ming Dynasty was a lesson. People's vigilance is still high enough.
"Should be normal, Westerners are human beings, and there are some principles that can be applied here, as well as Westerners. Before that, there was no one who knew Westerners very well except you. Those missionaries have their own ideas. Mind, if it is not my race, its mind must be different."
"I heard that at the beginning of the military reform, His Majesty asked you about the new military art of war. You said that everything you have learned in your life has been recorded in a book, and you have nothing to hide."
"You are very smart in this matter. You should be equally smart in dealing with Westerners. What your majesty needs is a talent who is better than others, not a genius who must be him. Can you Know the difference?"
Thinking that his family will be more deeply tied to Liu Yu in the future, although some things have not been clearly stated, when he speaks, he naturally adopts the tone of some elders.
He must be better than others, Liu Yu understands the difference between the two.
Qi Guogong also made his words very clear, and he hurriedly said: "Guo Gong is worried, I understand the difference. The more people who understand, the more people who know, the more your majesty will be more at ease when you use me."
"Isn't the Duke just going to be in charge of the translation? It just so happens that I need to translate the brief history and culture of these Western countries for the rules of future translations. I will write about the affairs of the Western countries in more detail. "
"I'm just a middle-of-the-road person. It's nothing more than being close to the water and being able to get the moon first, and knowing some Western affairs earlier than others. The Chinese people are outstanding, and the art of maneuvering is even disputed by a hundred schools of thought. As long as more people know about the affairs of the Western countries, No matter how beneficial or disadvantageous, the Ministry of Foreign Affairs must not be short of talents.”
When Qi Guogong saw him on the road, he said with a smile: "Exactly. Don't talk about you, just talk about me. I can occupy this high position. , They are all brought out by thousands of troops and horses, and I wait for those who rely on the merits of our ancestors to compare."
"You are a smart person. What you can think of, others can think of. They can't think of it, not because you are smarter than them, but because you know Western affairs earlier than them; I have been able to handle some affairs since I was an adult. It’s because I’m so smart, it’s just that I’ve been exposed to it since I was a child.”
Liu Yu said yes, but he said in his heart that although this made a lot of sense, it was not always true when it fell on the Ministry of Foreign Affairs.
This is not because of being smart or not, but because of the difference in the way of thinking.
Different ways of looking at problems lead to different ways of solving them. Knowing the history and culture of Western countries is only the beginning, knowing what is primitive accumulation and what is colonial trade, and knowing how to stand in the perspective of China, which is different from the Celestial Dynasty, is the only way to do it. Make some decisions.
It's just that he can't say this, and he also understands that his background determines that the more he shares, the more he trusts the emperor.
As long as I share many things completely and don't hide them, the emperor will reuse them more if he has less worries.
There is no need for Qi Guogong to say this, Tian Zhenyi said it before she went to Weihai to "train troops at a small station".
Military training is fine, but it must be reproducible. Others can follow the same method, and they can still practice.Otherwise, the Western Regions will definitely, the more capable the Qingzhou Army can fight, the more likely Liu Yu will be made a Marquis and squat in the capital, and there will be no possibility of doing major things anymore.
At that time, Liu Yu thought it was right, but he never thought that father and daughter were all in the same tune.
Although the matter of the Ministry of Foreign Affairs is not comparable to military training, the emperor is determined to do this. He hopes to continue the diplomacy with Western countries, but he does not want Liu Yu to become the only one in the imperial court who can deal with Westerners.
The establishment of the Ministry of Foreign Affairs can be regarded as Dashun bypassing the scope of "the world" and began to try to deal with the outside world.
I am not afraid of bureaucratization, but I am afraid that there is no chance of bureaucratization.Anyway, it's a rotten world now, and no one is more efficient than anyone else.
In addition, Liu Yu also felt that it was not an option to continue as before. With more and more foreign exchanges, if he was caught by himself, he would really become "Foreign Minister and Secretary of the Navy".Instead of waiting for the emperor to feel bad, it is better to let go now.
"Duke, there is another matter to be entrusted to you. A strong man from Batavia in Nanyang came to tell about the oppression of the Chinese in Bacheng. This man is also a character, and he has the heart to do great things. But this matter needs to be discussed in the long-term after all, because the people of the Celestial Dynasty in Eba City have to rely on the Ministry of Foreign Affairs to resolve it.”
"As the saying goes, those who are good fighters have no great achievements, and those who are good at planning have no great reputation. It is best to suppress this matter before the Dutch do it. Don't wait for the Dutch to imitate the Spaniards after they carried out massacres in Luzon. Send a letter of condemnation."
He told Qi Guogong about Lianhuaiguan, and then roughly talked about Batavia's situation.
Qi Guogong should be one of the few people in the court who knew that Nanyang would be attacked in the future, and he was immersed in the dirtiest place in the world like the court for decades, so he knew what Liu Yu meant when he heard it.
After listening, Qi Guogong laughed involuntarily.
"You have found a lot of work for my Ministry of Foreign Affairs. Otherwise, this matter will either be handled by the Fujian Jiedu envoy or the Li government. Since you have snatched the hand, I can just use my hands and feet. .”
"But this matter is also a hot one. If I don't take over, if the Dutch really do massacre, the Li government will probably say that the overall situation is the most important thing. The people who go to sea are far away and commit crimes. The Dutch can't blame them for dealing with them." .”
"But if my Ministry of Foreign Affairs takes over, if I really don't control the situation and the Dutch start to slaughter, I will be referred to a book, saying that I ignore the overseas Chinese and so on. But I want to control the situation and even advocate war I’m afraid some people will say that it’s worthless to spend millions of money and food for the overseas survivors, and it’s better to use it for river construction and exemption.”
"You want to pick millet from the fire, and I can only hold my hands. After all, you only considered one possibility."
"But, Shouchang, have you thought about another possibility? Let me ask you, if the Dutch send back all the overseas Chinese from Java, will the Chinese take it or not?"
This question stopped Liu Yu immediately.
Thinking according to the inertia of history, he felt that there were only two possibilities: massacre and driving to Ambon, Banda Ceylon.
But when Qi Guogong reminded him, he suddenly woke up.
My heart said yes, the form has changed, as Dashun began to get involved in official negotiations with them, if the Dutch really felt that those sugarcane growers were cumbersome, they would probably send them back to Fujian.
If the Dutch did this, how would they deal with it?
Taking a breath, while thinking about it, Duke Qi smiled and said, "Naturally, we can't accept it. Fujian has many mountains and little land, so it's hard to support too many people, so we went to sea. If they all come back, they will have no land and no livelihood. , it is necessary to cause chaos."
"Besides, if we want to manage Nanyang in the future, our race will have a different heart, and we must have immigrants."
"There are overseas people in Java, and there is oppression by the Netherlands. If I go there, the people will be relieved and the king will support them; if there are no people, they will conquer Java and force them to immigrate from Fujian. .”
"In the long run, if the Dutch want to send them back, we absolutely cannot accept them."
Hearing Qi Guogong's attitude, Liu Yu was a little relieved, nodded and said: "Extremely! Extremely! If those people don't come back, let's go to relieve the people. After returning, don't talk about making trouble, and then move there in the future, that's another matter." There is a saying. Batavian and other ghost places go to Ili and Liaodong in the Western Regions. If they are forced to relocate, there will be all kinds of complaints. I don’t know how many families and wives are separated. What’s more in places like that?”
Qi Guogong smiled and said: "So let me tell you, you have found me a hot problem. But this matter is easy to solve, you need to give me a letter of approval. How long will it take for Weihai's navy to be [-]% sure? The Dutch who beat Nanyang?"
This time, Qi Guogong neither asked why nor asked why, but with a completely trusting attitude, he only hoped that Liu Yu would give a specific time.
Liu Yu thought for a moment, then stretched out three fingers.
"Three years."
"Three years? That's easy to say."
Hearing that it was three years, Duke Qi felt relieved.
"I don't dare to say too much. I can still wear it out in three years. When I negotiated with the Raksha people, you fought in Heilongjiang, and I was talking nonsense in the Selenge River. I also talked with the Raksha people for a year. Then this never mind."
"Now let's sort it out. The Dutch have three possibilities."
"One, massacre."
"Second, move to Ambon and Ceylon."
"Third, send them back to Fujian."
"Yes, we must ensure that the first possibility will not happen, and the third possibility must rely on diplomatic wrangling. Try to strive for the second possibility. Is that what you mean?"
(End of this chapter)
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