Xinshun 1730
Chapter 295 The Beginning of Confidence
Chapter 295 The Beginning of Confidence
"Since you compare that to the 'Western Regions' of this dynasty, if the court opens Nanyang, it can be compared to the four towns of Anxi. Batavia may be Suiye, Kucha, Khotan, and Shule. The army is to be stationed Yes, the officials have to be exiled, as for the many Nanyang countries outside the four towns, they can follow the example of the countries in the Western Regions."
"These people have moved overseas since the Ming Dynasty. They are alienated from the Celestial Empire. They should not only rely on kindness but not prestige. Today, the Dutch are deeply oppressed and yearn for their homeland. If the Celestial Empire is reformed in the future, such as returning the land to the people, I am afraid that the local wealthy families may not rebel. .”
"I don't know much about the situation in Batavia, but with history as a mirror, I know that at the beginning of the founding of the dynasty, it also relied on the division of the Zhuming Huangzhuang and the land of the vassal kings, and the enclosure of the Jin Donglu. Batavia has no Zhu Ming’s Huangzhuang and vassals, but there are local wealthy families; Batavia does not have the enclosure of the Houjin Donglu, but there is the enclosure of the Dutch.”
Qi Guogong didn't know much about Lian Huaiguan's background, but he instinctively thought that Lian Huaiguan was also a local wealthy family.It's not uncommon for someone to bet on both ends of the bet for a wealthy family.
The imperial court will not allow the form of a "Chinese Federation". As long as it sends out troops and efforts, it will definitely not allow the local Chinese to have too strong independent forces.
As Liu Yu believes, the economic base determines the superstructure.
Nanyang's economic foundation is very strange, and the plantation economy is the mainstay. It is doomed that if the local clans and wealthy families do not clean up, they will definitely control the vitality of the Chinese society.
Only by changing the local economic foundation can we solve the idea of "the mountains are high and the emperor is far away, and he wants to stand on his own at any time" in Batavia and other places.
According to Duke Qi's idea, or the imperial court's idea, it is best to disintegrate into the state of small farmers in North China: there is no natural organization such as clans or manor owners and scholar-bureaucrats, but replaced by bureaucratic rule.
"Shoutong, you should know that every year in Fujian and Guangdong, a steady stream of people go overseas to make a living and go to Nanyang. The population of Nanyang must be increasing, so from the beginning, the "Anxi Four Towns" in Nanyang must be There is no aristocratic power."
"This Lian Huai Guan can be considered a strong man since he can come here. Is there any king in the world, and the king's subjects on the shore of the land? Since he is a strong man, he will be rewarded by the court for his meritorious service in the future. After the award, he has a rank and should abide by the rules. "
Liu Yu agreed, and thought about the situation in Batavia in his mind, thinking that the things in Nanyang were really different from those in North China.
The sugar industry in Batavia is over. Unless the sugar consumption in Dashun skyrockets, the economic bankruptcy of the manor cannot be solved after taking control of Batavia.
It is estimated that Dashun is unlikely to buy sugar from Batavia at a high price without the sugar from Fujian, Taiwan.
In addition, it is catching up with the war of succession to the Austrian throne. It is estimated that Europe will be in chaos, and the consumption of sugar will also be affected.
Once the Dutch leave, it will be very dangerous to go to Europe for trade in a short period of time. The Dutch may hijack the ship halfway...the sales of sugar will only be lower.
After thinking about it, if you want to save the sugar industry in Batavia, you have to look at the demand for sugar after the founding of Japan.
This is the only growth point in a short period of time. Anyway, Dashun's domestic demand cannot be counted on, and it is basically saturated.
After all, sugarcane gardens are not arable land in North China, and it is no problem to divide them into small pieces.
Can the Japanese market support the sugar industry in the Batavia sugar cane garden?It is still uncertain now, and even if there is an increase, it will not be able to quench the near thirst.
Moreover, apart from the sugarcane industry in Batavia, the real tycoons rely on taxation and lending, and land conflicts are not the main conflict.
The court thought of restraining the powerful, and it must have thought that Batavia lived by farming, and the powerful were all big landlords.
But no, at least not among the Chinese.
Liu Yu supports the idea of containing local tyrants.But how to contain it, he thinks it is not something that the small peasants in the imperial court can figure out.
Seeing that Liu Yu was bored and silent, Qi Guogong said with a smile: "Don't think that this is difficult. This is also simple in my opinion. In Jiangnan and other places, it is difficult to control the strong and powerful, because they study as officials, and the subordinates are one. There are people."
"This dynasty took over the world, from equalizing the land and exempting the grain, to protecting the world and expelling the Tartars. You understand the changes. Batavia's tyranny, how can he be qualified to be a gentry in the south of the Yangtze River? Is he qualified to let the court compromise ?"
He thought it would be difficult for Liu Yu to spread the policies of the imperial court Lian Wendeng, such as "Gentleman's payment of grain, sharing of gentry into the mu, and permanent tenancy rights" across the country, and worried whether the imperial court could control Nanyang, so he broke the key point: Bada The local gentry in Via can't even beat the Dutch. If the Celestial Dynasty drives away the Netherlands, what are those gentry?
The gentry in the provinces are all scholars, and there are people in the court who have relations with them, so they can't be moved; the noble gentry in Batavia, do they have relations with the court?Do you have a representative?
Don't you just knead when you want to knead, knead when you want to knead?
Liu Yu groaned, noncommittal.
He supported the general direction of the imperial court to mobilize the gentry as a whole. Originally, he also believed that the most reliable people in Nanyang were the lowest-level hired workers and peddlers in Bacheng; After the celestial dynasty takes control, life is probably worse than when the Dutch were there, they are not the basic group.
But he didn't quite agree with Duke Qi's solution. This method can be used in places where land conflicts are concentrated, and it is not a panacea on the basis of Batavia's plantation economy.
At this time, he did not directly object. Regarding the specific land policy of Batavia and the various systems of the Dutch, even Huaiguan only introduced it intuitively from his perspective. There is more than enough sensibility and not enough rationality. This needs to be discussed again.
Fortunately, Qi Guogong's words also solved another knot in his heart.
He was worried that the imperial court would directly copy the Dutch rule in Batavia, and continue the old system in order to save trouble.
Now it seems that Qi Guogong thinks that it is impossible for the imperial court to allow the local area to maintain the old system.As long as the general idea of containing the local tyrants is consistent, and the emperor is far away, there will still be a lot of room for maneuvering in the future.
Thinking that he should change his inherent image in the court, Liu Yu didn't discuss this matter with Qi Guogong any more, and he thought that you can do whatever you like, as long as you don't make Lian Huai Guan cold.
Ask afterward, if you really show chilling intentions, you have to be ruthless and hold him back, so as not to leak the news.
"The Duke should have his own plans. This is something that the Ministry of Foreign Affairs should be in charge of, so I won't say much about it."
"What's more, I still have to remind the Duke to make preparations early. I estimate that next year not only the Rakshasa Mission will come, but also the Swedes and the British. Britain and France are feuds, and the United Kingdom has been fighting since the Ming Dynasty. I wanted to send people to the capital from time to time, but I never had the chance.”
"Now we are changing. The Raksha people have come, the French have come, and the British may also come. This special envoy of the Raksha is a special case. His Majesty grants permission to stay in the capital for the purpose of demarcating borders and pacifying the Western Regions. Other envoys The regiment probably wants to be stationed in Beijing, but I’m afraid it won’t work. In my opinion, why don’t we ask them to move all their commercial and embassy offices to Songjiang for the sake of jurisdiction and diplomatic liaison?”
Although some changes have taken place in Dashun, internally it is still necessary to pretend that it belongs to the Kingdom of Heaven.Since it is a kingdom of heaven, things like equal diplomacy should not be made too conspicuous, such as opening an embassy in the capital.
Furthermore, the imperial court is also full of vigilance against these Westerners, and there is a trend of banning religion. It is not realistic at all to open an embassy in the capital according to Western rules.
Not to mention what the common people think, what does North Korea, a loyal minister and dutiful son think?
The Raksha people are special, because they needed to communicate directly with the Raksha envoys to survey the border, settle Mongolia, and pacify the Western Regions. Therefore, Enzhun was stationed in the capital, but there was no official embassy after all.
Now that the Ministry of Foreign Affairs has been created, if you want diplomacy, of course you have to send envoys.
Gathering together for easy management is nothing more than these ports.Songjiang is the best, Guangdong is too far away.
During the Qing Dynasty, the Taiping Heavenly Kingdom revolted due to various factors.
One thing to consider is that before the Treaty of Nanjing, Guangdong opened up to trade, resulting in many goods from Jiangnan being shipped to Guangdong, which led to many people making a living on this.
After the Treaty of Nanjing, Shanghai became a port and a comprador center, which resulted in the unemployment of many people who were engaged in transportation and developed through one-way trade, and contributed a lot of core personnel and core strength to the Tianping Heavenly Kingdom.
Dashun didn't need to think about this issue. Many ports had been opened all the time, and the impact of this change would not be too great.
The embassies are easy to say, they are mainly commercial offices, and they are easy to supervise when they are grouped together.The navy cannot go to Europe, and it is temporarily unable to show off its power in Europe. The only diplomacy that can be understood by Westerners is tariffs.
Qi Guogong said: "I have considered this matter. Westerners have the habit of sending envoys. To make my Ministry of Foreign Affairs useful, of course I will consider sending envoys. But Songjiang is impossible."
"One is that it is farther away, and communication is inconvenient; the other is that Songjiang is located in the south of the Yangtze River, and it is the heart of the imperial court. I am afraid that the envoys are carefully crafted, and it is impossible to allow envoys to be stationed there. I mean, it is in Tianjin. "
"Tianjin?" Liu Yu was a little shocked. Tianjin is certainly better, after all, it is closer and easier to communicate with.But will this work?
Tianjin is too close to the capital, can the DPRK and China agree?
Seeing Liu Yu's surprise, Qi Guogong smiled and said, "Your Majesty has already agreed. But the museum can only be built after the navy has established its prestige."
"It is placed in Tianjin, and it is convenient to communicate, which is one of the best."
"After I came back, His Majesty asked me to see the Beijing camp after the military reform, and asked me how I compared with the Western countries? I said victory! The navy is slightly different from the Westerners, but the army does not have to be afraid. It is placed in Tianjin. , Tianjin will also station an army, so that Westerners will know that our army is not weak."
"The commercial building is not moving, and the embassy is in Tianjin. Didn't the Japanese let the Dutch visit Edo every year? Here, the Westerners are also allowed to visit Beijing every year. If something happens, it can be dealt with."
"As for Songjiang, don't think about it. There are many merchants there, and it is the hinterland of the south of the Yangtze River. The court is worried that the merchants will collude with Westerners. And it is the mouth of the Yangtze River. The Westerners have figured out where it is. There will be real troubles in the future. , which is very detrimental to the country.”
"We can't be stationed in the capital, so it's just right to take a step back and stay in Tianjin. All Western ships that want to arrive in Tianjin must be reported. The embassy reports, and the imperial court sends ships to the south to pick them up, and Western ships are not allowed to enter the Bohai Sea."
Hearing this, a smile appeared on the corner of Liu Yu's mouth. It seems that the imperial court finally gained a trace of real self-confidence after being conceited.In addition to considering issues such as collusion with Westerners and confidantes in the south of the Yangtze River, the reason for allowing Western envoys to station in Tianjin this time is that the emperor really believed that the army after the military reform was very strong. Self-confidence, not the extreme conceit of before.
The emperor specifically asked Qi Guogong who had been to Europe to watch the battle. Liu Yu felt that it was his intimidating words before, which frightened the emperor from the conceit of the celestial dynasty to the lack of confidence. After confirming this time, he threw away his conceit and became truly confident.
It can be regarded as a good start, self-confidence is good, self-confidence can be tolerant, the less self-confidence the more closed.
Dare to open an embassy in Tianjin, the emperor's mentality really changed.
"The matter of the embassy and the resident envoys are all settled. On your side, the Swedes and the British will really come next year? Don't expect me to set up a table here, but the guests don't come."
Liu Yu thought for a while, but she didn't dare to say too much, she just said: "[-]% sure."
After all, Xindao Mantou should be returning from Europe soon, right?
(End of this chapter)
"Since you compare that to the 'Western Regions' of this dynasty, if the court opens Nanyang, it can be compared to the four towns of Anxi. Batavia may be Suiye, Kucha, Khotan, and Shule. The army is to be stationed Yes, the officials have to be exiled, as for the many Nanyang countries outside the four towns, they can follow the example of the countries in the Western Regions."
"These people have moved overseas since the Ming Dynasty. They are alienated from the Celestial Empire. They should not only rely on kindness but not prestige. Today, the Dutch are deeply oppressed and yearn for their homeland. If the Celestial Empire is reformed in the future, such as returning the land to the people, I am afraid that the local wealthy families may not rebel. .”
"I don't know much about the situation in Batavia, but with history as a mirror, I know that at the beginning of the founding of the dynasty, it also relied on the division of the Zhuming Huangzhuang and the land of the vassal kings, and the enclosure of the Jin Donglu. Batavia has no Zhu Ming’s Huangzhuang and vassals, but there are local wealthy families; Batavia does not have the enclosure of the Houjin Donglu, but there is the enclosure of the Dutch.”
Qi Guogong didn't know much about Lian Huaiguan's background, but he instinctively thought that Lian Huaiguan was also a local wealthy family.It's not uncommon for someone to bet on both ends of the bet for a wealthy family.
The imperial court will not allow the form of a "Chinese Federation". As long as it sends out troops and efforts, it will definitely not allow the local Chinese to have too strong independent forces.
As Liu Yu believes, the economic base determines the superstructure.
Nanyang's economic foundation is very strange, and the plantation economy is the mainstay. It is doomed that if the local clans and wealthy families do not clean up, they will definitely control the vitality of the Chinese society.
Only by changing the local economic foundation can we solve the idea of "the mountains are high and the emperor is far away, and he wants to stand on his own at any time" in Batavia and other places.
According to Duke Qi's idea, or the imperial court's idea, it is best to disintegrate into the state of small farmers in North China: there is no natural organization such as clans or manor owners and scholar-bureaucrats, but replaced by bureaucratic rule.
"Shoutong, you should know that every year in Fujian and Guangdong, a steady stream of people go overseas to make a living and go to Nanyang. The population of Nanyang must be increasing, so from the beginning, the "Anxi Four Towns" in Nanyang must be There is no aristocratic power."
"This Lian Huai Guan can be considered a strong man since he can come here. Is there any king in the world, and the king's subjects on the shore of the land? Since he is a strong man, he will be rewarded by the court for his meritorious service in the future. After the award, he has a rank and should abide by the rules. "
Liu Yu agreed, and thought about the situation in Batavia in his mind, thinking that the things in Nanyang were really different from those in North China.
The sugar industry in Batavia is over. Unless the sugar consumption in Dashun skyrockets, the economic bankruptcy of the manor cannot be solved after taking control of Batavia.
It is estimated that Dashun is unlikely to buy sugar from Batavia at a high price without the sugar from Fujian, Taiwan.
In addition, it is catching up with the war of succession to the Austrian throne. It is estimated that Europe will be in chaos, and the consumption of sugar will also be affected.
Once the Dutch leave, it will be very dangerous to go to Europe for trade in a short period of time. The Dutch may hijack the ship halfway...the sales of sugar will only be lower.
After thinking about it, if you want to save the sugar industry in Batavia, you have to look at the demand for sugar after the founding of Japan.
This is the only growth point in a short period of time. Anyway, Dashun's domestic demand cannot be counted on, and it is basically saturated.
After all, sugarcane gardens are not arable land in North China, and it is no problem to divide them into small pieces.
Can the Japanese market support the sugar industry in the Batavia sugar cane garden?It is still uncertain now, and even if there is an increase, it will not be able to quench the near thirst.
Moreover, apart from the sugarcane industry in Batavia, the real tycoons rely on taxation and lending, and land conflicts are not the main conflict.
The court thought of restraining the powerful, and it must have thought that Batavia lived by farming, and the powerful were all big landlords.
But no, at least not among the Chinese.
Liu Yu supports the idea of containing local tyrants.But how to contain it, he thinks it is not something that the small peasants in the imperial court can figure out.
Seeing that Liu Yu was bored and silent, Qi Guogong said with a smile: "Don't think that this is difficult. This is also simple in my opinion. In Jiangnan and other places, it is difficult to control the strong and powerful, because they study as officials, and the subordinates are one. There are people."
"This dynasty took over the world, from equalizing the land and exempting the grain, to protecting the world and expelling the Tartars. You understand the changes. Batavia's tyranny, how can he be qualified to be a gentry in the south of the Yangtze River? Is he qualified to let the court compromise ?"
He thought it would be difficult for Liu Yu to spread the policies of the imperial court Lian Wendeng, such as "Gentleman's payment of grain, sharing of gentry into the mu, and permanent tenancy rights" across the country, and worried whether the imperial court could control Nanyang, so he broke the key point: Bada The local gentry in Via can't even beat the Dutch. If the Celestial Dynasty drives away the Netherlands, what are those gentry?
The gentry in the provinces are all scholars, and there are people in the court who have relations with them, so they can't be moved; the noble gentry in Batavia, do they have relations with the court?Do you have a representative?
Don't you just knead when you want to knead, knead when you want to knead?
Liu Yu groaned, noncommittal.
He supported the general direction of the imperial court to mobilize the gentry as a whole. Originally, he also believed that the most reliable people in Nanyang were the lowest-level hired workers and peddlers in Bacheng; After the celestial dynasty takes control, life is probably worse than when the Dutch were there, they are not the basic group.
But he didn't quite agree with Duke Qi's solution. This method can be used in places where land conflicts are concentrated, and it is not a panacea on the basis of Batavia's plantation economy.
At this time, he did not directly object. Regarding the specific land policy of Batavia and the various systems of the Dutch, even Huaiguan only introduced it intuitively from his perspective. There is more than enough sensibility and not enough rationality. This needs to be discussed again.
Fortunately, Qi Guogong's words also solved another knot in his heart.
He was worried that the imperial court would directly copy the Dutch rule in Batavia, and continue the old system in order to save trouble.
Now it seems that Qi Guogong thinks that it is impossible for the imperial court to allow the local area to maintain the old system.As long as the general idea of containing the local tyrants is consistent, and the emperor is far away, there will still be a lot of room for maneuvering in the future.
Thinking that he should change his inherent image in the court, Liu Yu didn't discuss this matter with Qi Guogong any more, and he thought that you can do whatever you like, as long as you don't make Lian Huai Guan cold.
Ask afterward, if you really show chilling intentions, you have to be ruthless and hold him back, so as not to leak the news.
"The Duke should have his own plans. This is something that the Ministry of Foreign Affairs should be in charge of, so I won't say much about it."
"What's more, I still have to remind the Duke to make preparations early. I estimate that next year not only the Rakshasa Mission will come, but also the Swedes and the British. Britain and France are feuds, and the United Kingdom has been fighting since the Ming Dynasty. I wanted to send people to the capital from time to time, but I never had the chance.”
"Now we are changing. The Raksha people have come, the French have come, and the British may also come. This special envoy of the Raksha is a special case. His Majesty grants permission to stay in the capital for the purpose of demarcating borders and pacifying the Western Regions. Other envoys The regiment probably wants to be stationed in Beijing, but I’m afraid it won’t work. In my opinion, why don’t we ask them to move all their commercial and embassy offices to Songjiang for the sake of jurisdiction and diplomatic liaison?”
Although some changes have taken place in Dashun, internally it is still necessary to pretend that it belongs to the Kingdom of Heaven.Since it is a kingdom of heaven, things like equal diplomacy should not be made too conspicuous, such as opening an embassy in the capital.
Furthermore, the imperial court is also full of vigilance against these Westerners, and there is a trend of banning religion. It is not realistic at all to open an embassy in the capital according to Western rules.
Not to mention what the common people think, what does North Korea, a loyal minister and dutiful son think?
The Raksha people are special, because they needed to communicate directly with the Raksha envoys to survey the border, settle Mongolia, and pacify the Western Regions. Therefore, Enzhun was stationed in the capital, but there was no official embassy after all.
Now that the Ministry of Foreign Affairs has been created, if you want diplomacy, of course you have to send envoys.
Gathering together for easy management is nothing more than these ports.Songjiang is the best, Guangdong is too far away.
During the Qing Dynasty, the Taiping Heavenly Kingdom revolted due to various factors.
One thing to consider is that before the Treaty of Nanjing, Guangdong opened up to trade, resulting in many goods from Jiangnan being shipped to Guangdong, which led to many people making a living on this.
After the Treaty of Nanjing, Shanghai became a port and a comprador center, which resulted in the unemployment of many people who were engaged in transportation and developed through one-way trade, and contributed a lot of core personnel and core strength to the Tianping Heavenly Kingdom.
Dashun didn't need to think about this issue. Many ports had been opened all the time, and the impact of this change would not be too great.
The embassies are easy to say, they are mainly commercial offices, and they are easy to supervise when they are grouped together.The navy cannot go to Europe, and it is temporarily unable to show off its power in Europe. The only diplomacy that can be understood by Westerners is tariffs.
Qi Guogong said: "I have considered this matter. Westerners have the habit of sending envoys. To make my Ministry of Foreign Affairs useful, of course I will consider sending envoys. But Songjiang is impossible."
"One is that it is farther away, and communication is inconvenient; the other is that Songjiang is located in the south of the Yangtze River, and it is the heart of the imperial court. I am afraid that the envoys are carefully crafted, and it is impossible to allow envoys to be stationed there. I mean, it is in Tianjin. "
"Tianjin?" Liu Yu was a little shocked. Tianjin is certainly better, after all, it is closer and easier to communicate with.But will this work?
Tianjin is too close to the capital, can the DPRK and China agree?
Seeing Liu Yu's surprise, Qi Guogong smiled and said, "Your Majesty has already agreed. But the museum can only be built after the navy has established its prestige."
"It is placed in Tianjin, and it is convenient to communicate, which is one of the best."
"After I came back, His Majesty asked me to see the Beijing camp after the military reform, and asked me how I compared with the Western countries? I said victory! The navy is slightly different from the Westerners, but the army does not have to be afraid. It is placed in Tianjin. , Tianjin will also station an army, so that Westerners will know that our army is not weak."
"The commercial building is not moving, and the embassy is in Tianjin. Didn't the Japanese let the Dutch visit Edo every year? Here, the Westerners are also allowed to visit Beijing every year. If something happens, it can be dealt with."
"As for Songjiang, don't think about it. There are many merchants there, and it is the hinterland of the south of the Yangtze River. The court is worried that the merchants will collude with Westerners. And it is the mouth of the Yangtze River. The Westerners have figured out where it is. There will be real troubles in the future. , which is very detrimental to the country.”
"We can't be stationed in the capital, so it's just right to take a step back and stay in Tianjin. All Western ships that want to arrive in Tianjin must be reported. The embassy reports, and the imperial court sends ships to the south to pick them up, and Western ships are not allowed to enter the Bohai Sea."
Hearing this, a smile appeared on the corner of Liu Yu's mouth. It seems that the imperial court finally gained a trace of real self-confidence after being conceited.In addition to considering issues such as collusion with Westerners and confidantes in the south of the Yangtze River, the reason for allowing Western envoys to station in Tianjin this time is that the emperor really believed that the army after the military reform was very strong. Self-confidence, not the extreme conceit of before.
The emperor specifically asked Qi Guogong who had been to Europe to watch the battle. Liu Yu felt that it was his intimidating words before, which frightened the emperor from the conceit of the celestial dynasty to the lack of confidence. After confirming this time, he threw away his conceit and became truly confident.
It can be regarded as a good start, self-confidence is good, self-confidence can be tolerant, the less self-confidence the more closed.
Dare to open an embassy in Tianjin, the emperor's mentality really changed.
"The matter of the embassy and the resident envoys are all settled. On your side, the Swedes and the British will really come next year? Don't expect me to set up a table here, but the guests don't come."
Liu Yu thought for a while, but she didn't dare to say too much, she just said: "[-]% sure."
After all, Xindao Mantou should be returning from Europe soon, right?
(End of this chapter)
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