Xinshun 1730
Chapter 472
472 Chapter [-]
Even if Liu Yu didn't take the initiative to ask this question, Tokugawa Yoshimune would still think about asking Liu Yu.
Until now, he still feels that Liu Yu is very accurate in seeing things.The truth contained in the reform of the coinage is indeed unable to explain clearly by the old middlemen and elders in the surrounding area.
And as long as you don't try to figure out the purpose behind Liu Yu, most of the words related to state affairs are really insightful.
It's not as simple as "I just don't do what the enemy wants to do".
For example, the minting reform, if we go back in time at this time, knowing that the purpose of Liu Yu's proposal for the minting reform is to make the shogunate have money to pay compensation after the war in the future, Tokugawa Yoshimune will still choose to do it according to the law.
Now Liu Yu took the initiative to ask questions, and Tokugawa Yoshimune wrote back: "If you want to be a vassal with peace of mind, there is no difference. If you want to enrich the country and strengthen the army, I have thought about it for a long time, but I have no thoughts."
"If the old man said that after this battle, Japan was convinced and completely surrendered, even Liu Jun and the imperial court of your country would not believe it."
"However, if you talk about the way to make the country rich and the army strong, Gou Jian tasted courage, and everyone offers advice, but they are all at a loss."
"It's not enough to be convinced, but the strength can't match it."
"Mencius said: A hegemony who pretends to be benevolent by strength will surely lead to a great country. A king who acts benevolently by virtue will not wait for greatness: Tang is seventy miles away, and King Wen is a hundred miles away. Those who use force to convince others are not subdued by the heart, and power is not enough to support them. Those who subdue others with virtue are sincere and sincere in their hearts, just like the Seventy Sons subdued Confucius."
"Isn't that what you said?"
The words of Meng Ke 2000 years ago really made Tokugawa Yoshimune feel the shock of going through 2000 years at this moment, and he really understood what it means to "convince people with strength, not to be convinced, but to use strength." Don't support it."
Tokugawa Yoshimune is well-trained in Confucianism. From time to time, he would personally go to the temple to explain the meaning of the six enactments promulgated by Ming Taizu, and the original sentence of Mencius came out casually.
It seems to be frank, but Tokugawa Yoshimune knows in his heart that if Japan really shows a respectful attitude, Dashun will be alerted instead.
How could anyone who was an official in the Dashun court not know about the old story that three thousand Yuejia could swallow Wu?
Tokugawa Munetake said that in order to convince Dashun, he could only use "despair" instead of "obedience", which is what he meant.
Clearly expressing dissatisfaction in the heart, but also desperately finding that there is no power to support it, this is the first step of Tokugawa Yoshimune and Tokugawa Sotake's thinking of "waiting for the world to change".
At the same time, I also hope to hear Liu Yu's views on this sentence, and maybe I can get something useful.
The language on the lips of the two did not understand, but the written communication was not at all sluggish. Tokugawa Yoshimune saw Liu Yu writing vigorously for a long time, and he was eager to see what kind of opinion Liu Yu would express.
However, when the paper full of words was delivered to him, Tokugawa Yoshimune scanned it, but he couldn't laugh or cry.
The above directly said that Tokugawa Yoshimune's reforms were worthless, saying that "healing the head for a headache and treating the foot for a pain cannot cure the root cause."
As for how to cure the root cause, Liu Yu directly prescribed a powerful medicine.
Abolish feudal vassals and set up counties, abolish hereditary samurai, equalize land, restore three generations of government and build schools, imitate Wang Jinggong's Sanshe method to select scholars, or take imperial examinations.
In view of the fact that it is impossible for a samurai to oppose himself, it is suggested that Tokugawa Yoshimune give up his position as a general, and use his personal appeal to go to the people to fight against him and become Chen Sheng Wu Guang.
This is almost like a joke, but behind the joke, what Tokugawa Yoshimune saw was Liu Yu's disdain for the possibility of Japan's revenge.
Because, this matter simply cannot be done.
If the shogunate can't do it, it means that there is no way, but the only way you don't take.
"Isn't Liu Jun entertaining the old man?"
"This is the only way. Since you don't want to go, let's talk about the things after the tribute. General, I have already sold you warships and firearms; during the battle, I also gave the shogunate enough face. Where to go, the general will always give you This is a way of saying. Be a vassal with peace of mind, and the ancestral temple of the Baodechuan clan will not be destroyed. Why do you have to make the country rich and strong? Today, the world is in a state of great power, and those who obey will prosper and those who oppose will perish. The future pattern of the world will be The dispute between east and west, even if a dog fights, it is necessary to choose a leader. Looking around, the only one who can be the leader is the Celestial Dynasty. Why are the generals still persistent? If the general does not want to follow Chen She’s story, the princes and generals would rather have it. After all, there is nowhere to go.”
Tokugawa Yoshimune sighed, and wrote: "The Netherlands, a small country, can also compete for hegemony; the United Kingdom, also an island country, also opened a business in Hirado to compete with the Netherlands. They can do it, and I always feel that Japan also has a way. You can go, not necessarily as Liu Jun said, there is only one way."
Liu Yu really laughed this time, and replied with a short sentence.
"Europa doesn't have a huge celestial dynasty staring at it. Don't think about asking for a sword."
When Tokugawa Yoshimune saw this line of words, he naturally thought of Japan's two plans to go out, but they were all strangled by the Celestial Dynasty.
Baijiangkou in Tang Dynasty and Renchen chaos in Ming Dynasty.
After a while, Liu Yu handed over another note.
"The fate of Japan is like this. If it is in Europe, it will be a big country. But within the ten thousand miles of the celestial dynasty, what way can Japan go? Even if the country is restored in the future, the first step is to restore the old Hideyoshi The way to go to North Korea. But the general asked himself, can we still do it now?"
"Since it can't be done, why do you insist on going against the sky? Isn't it good to be the governor of the land for the Celestial Dynasty honestly? The Celestial Dynasty will understand the intentions of the shogunate. I can guarantee here that if the general can answer With a few conditions, the Celestial Dynasty can also guarantee that if anyone falls, the Celestial Dynasty will send troops."
"Think about it, the general. If the Celestial Dynasty sends troops this time, if the strategy is changed, will the shogunate still exist? Whether it is survival or death, even if the Celestial Dynasty has a second thought, the general still thinks about Goujian's extermination of Wu. This is unwise."
"The tax revenue from the customs is given to the shogunate, and the feudal vassals are not allowed to trade. As long as the shogunate operates properly, the treasury can be filled."
"As for Japan... why should the general think about it? The king's flag changes on the top of the city, and I will appear on the stage after you sing. Where is the Ashikaga clan now? Where is the Toyotomi clan now? What's the matter?"
"I said that the general resigned as the general to become Chen She. It was just a joke. But it was also a reminder to the general who he should be wary of. The general's enemy is inside, not outside."
"Dashun is not the enemy of the shogunate, but the best ally of the shogunate. Let me ask the general, does the general have the ambition to sacrifice his life for the rise of Japan? If so, please resign from the position of general and raise your arms Shout out, form a strange army to resist the regular soldiers and warriors of the vassals, overthrow the shogunate, overthrow the vassals, redistribute interests, implement the centralized government of the first emperor, follow the example of Tang Zong's imperial examinations, and all the heroes in the world will be included in the network, and the land will be run to run schools. .”
"If not, I will only ask the general one question."
Tokugawa Yoshimune thought, isn't this a joke?The shogun overthrew the shogunate, and the samurai leader overthrew the samurai system?Is there such a thing in the world?
But Liu Yu's reminder also convinced Tokugawa Yoshimune.Indeed, from the perspective of the shogunate, Dashun only wanted money, but if someone really wanted to learn the system of the Celestial Dynasty, it would be fatal.
In desperation, he nodded at Liu Yu, indicating to ask Liu Yu to ask the question he wanted to ask.
"The total expenditure of Dashun's warships, sailors, new troops, firearms, drills, and military pay has accumulated to about 3000 million taels so far."
"Even if Dashun doesn't build a warship in the future, the general needs at least 3000 million taels of silver if he wants to cross the Tsushima Strait and stand in Busan, North Korea."
"The general didn't want to be a comprador to make money, and he didn't dare to withhold the soldiers' salaries for fear that the soldiers would be violent, and he didn't have the ability to make the people tie their necks and offer all the food."
"I just want to ask the general, how is the general going to get the 3000 million taels of silver? Does he have the ability to turn stone into gold?"
"Without money, why are you talking about ambitions? The general thinks I came to Edo a few years ago, and made a low profile. What is the purpose? Isn't it those copper-smelling things?"
"So, if you have the heart to enrich the country and strengthen the army, please feel at ease as a comprador. The more goods you sell, the richer the general will be."
"If you don't have the heart to enrich the country and strengthen the army, and just want to be the governor of the Celestial Dynasty, the ancestral temple of the Baodechuan clan, please feel at ease as a comprador. Make money, weaken the vassals, and raise a banner that deters the vassals."
"It's good to be a comprador."
Talking about money is pretty vulgar.
But to the point where the king of a country does not talk about money, it is difficult to move an inch.Liu Yu's question directly strangled Tokugawa Yoshimune's neck, 3000 million taels of silver... Where did it come from?
He didn't expect Liu Yu to directly talk about the method that he and his son thought of at the beginning, to be a comprador for a few years to save money.
Based on past experience, Tokugawa Yoshimune was convinced that if Liu Yu dared to say something, he would not be afraid, and he would have a backup.
So he asked directly: "Liu Jun would not like to see Japan become rich and strong. But Liu Jun also knows that if I work as a comprador, I can get money and possibly strengthen the army. Liu Jun is really not afraid ?"
After Liu Yu looked at it, he shook his head directly.
"After the general makes the country rich and the army strong, there must be a purpose, right? What is the purpose? In terms of revenge, unless it swallows up the heavenly dynasty at once, this is simply unrealistic."
"Then if it is to drive us away and continue to retreat?"
"Dashun didn't attack Japan, he didn't swallow it, he just asked for a switch, because Dashun's silk, tea, porcelain, glazed medicinal materials and other things can be exchanged for gold and silver in Japan."
"Let's not say that the Chinese government has opened and closed trade. Even if the general is strong and beats the Chinese government and forces the Chinese government not to charge tariffs, it will be invincible. What is the plan? Selling straw sandals?"
"So I'm not afraid at all. Whale swallowing no matter what, Japan can't swallow it. Since it can't swallow it, I will remember the enmity of the ninth generation. The Chinese dynasty has slowed down. If it is necessary to accuse me of being a traitor and misusing the country for raising tigers, I will definitely split Japan and divide it. , use the barbarians to control the barbarians, and you will never stand up."
"You can't gobble it up, and then even if Japan wins, what do you want? I can't figure it out. Just to retreat again, and then there is no comprador income, and they can't afford to support the new army. Disband the new army and continue the samurai system, and then dozens of Will I be beaten again after a year? Or after retreating, my military equipment will be relaxed, and I will not be able to keep up with the war tactics that change every 50 years outside, and repeat today’s story 50 years later?”
"Before going to war, you must first think about what the purpose of the war is. Think about it, general. Please answer the doubts in my heart. Even if the country is rich and the army wins, what does the general want?"
"Really, general, if you think it's just that Japan is not happy to open a port, I will write to the emperor tomorrow, and I can also lease you a piece of land in Songjiang, Guangzhou, Ningbo, Quanzhou, and Fujian, and the customs duties on both sides are free. Need ?"
"I've been thinking about this since I've been eyeing the general ten years ago. I was thinking, if I were the shogun, I would learn from the pain after the defeat, and what would I ask for after a strong army? I can't figure it out, so please ask the general Solve my doubts."
(End of this chapter)
Even if Liu Yu didn't take the initiative to ask this question, Tokugawa Yoshimune would still think about asking Liu Yu.
Until now, he still feels that Liu Yu is very accurate in seeing things.The truth contained in the reform of the coinage is indeed unable to explain clearly by the old middlemen and elders in the surrounding area.
And as long as you don't try to figure out the purpose behind Liu Yu, most of the words related to state affairs are really insightful.
It's not as simple as "I just don't do what the enemy wants to do".
For example, the minting reform, if we go back in time at this time, knowing that the purpose of Liu Yu's proposal for the minting reform is to make the shogunate have money to pay compensation after the war in the future, Tokugawa Yoshimune will still choose to do it according to the law.
Now Liu Yu took the initiative to ask questions, and Tokugawa Yoshimune wrote back: "If you want to be a vassal with peace of mind, there is no difference. If you want to enrich the country and strengthen the army, I have thought about it for a long time, but I have no thoughts."
"If the old man said that after this battle, Japan was convinced and completely surrendered, even Liu Jun and the imperial court of your country would not believe it."
"However, if you talk about the way to make the country rich and the army strong, Gou Jian tasted courage, and everyone offers advice, but they are all at a loss."
"It's not enough to be convinced, but the strength can't match it."
"Mencius said: A hegemony who pretends to be benevolent by strength will surely lead to a great country. A king who acts benevolently by virtue will not wait for greatness: Tang is seventy miles away, and King Wen is a hundred miles away. Those who use force to convince others are not subdued by the heart, and power is not enough to support them. Those who subdue others with virtue are sincere and sincere in their hearts, just like the Seventy Sons subdued Confucius."
"Isn't that what you said?"
The words of Meng Ke 2000 years ago really made Tokugawa Yoshimune feel the shock of going through 2000 years at this moment, and he really understood what it means to "convince people with strength, not to be convinced, but to use strength." Don't support it."
Tokugawa Yoshimune is well-trained in Confucianism. From time to time, he would personally go to the temple to explain the meaning of the six enactments promulgated by Ming Taizu, and the original sentence of Mencius came out casually.
It seems to be frank, but Tokugawa Yoshimune knows in his heart that if Japan really shows a respectful attitude, Dashun will be alerted instead.
How could anyone who was an official in the Dashun court not know about the old story that three thousand Yuejia could swallow Wu?
Tokugawa Munetake said that in order to convince Dashun, he could only use "despair" instead of "obedience", which is what he meant.
Clearly expressing dissatisfaction in the heart, but also desperately finding that there is no power to support it, this is the first step of Tokugawa Yoshimune and Tokugawa Sotake's thinking of "waiting for the world to change".
At the same time, I also hope to hear Liu Yu's views on this sentence, and maybe I can get something useful.
The language on the lips of the two did not understand, but the written communication was not at all sluggish. Tokugawa Yoshimune saw Liu Yu writing vigorously for a long time, and he was eager to see what kind of opinion Liu Yu would express.
However, when the paper full of words was delivered to him, Tokugawa Yoshimune scanned it, but he couldn't laugh or cry.
The above directly said that Tokugawa Yoshimune's reforms were worthless, saying that "healing the head for a headache and treating the foot for a pain cannot cure the root cause."
As for how to cure the root cause, Liu Yu directly prescribed a powerful medicine.
Abolish feudal vassals and set up counties, abolish hereditary samurai, equalize land, restore three generations of government and build schools, imitate Wang Jinggong's Sanshe method to select scholars, or take imperial examinations.
In view of the fact that it is impossible for a samurai to oppose himself, it is suggested that Tokugawa Yoshimune give up his position as a general, and use his personal appeal to go to the people to fight against him and become Chen Sheng Wu Guang.
This is almost like a joke, but behind the joke, what Tokugawa Yoshimune saw was Liu Yu's disdain for the possibility of Japan's revenge.
Because, this matter simply cannot be done.
If the shogunate can't do it, it means that there is no way, but the only way you don't take.
"Isn't Liu Jun entertaining the old man?"
"This is the only way. Since you don't want to go, let's talk about the things after the tribute. General, I have already sold you warships and firearms; during the battle, I also gave the shogunate enough face. Where to go, the general will always give you This is a way of saying. Be a vassal with peace of mind, and the ancestral temple of the Baodechuan clan will not be destroyed. Why do you have to make the country rich and strong? Today, the world is in a state of great power, and those who obey will prosper and those who oppose will perish. The future pattern of the world will be The dispute between east and west, even if a dog fights, it is necessary to choose a leader. Looking around, the only one who can be the leader is the Celestial Dynasty. Why are the generals still persistent? If the general does not want to follow Chen She’s story, the princes and generals would rather have it. After all, there is nowhere to go.”
Tokugawa Yoshimune sighed, and wrote: "The Netherlands, a small country, can also compete for hegemony; the United Kingdom, also an island country, also opened a business in Hirado to compete with the Netherlands. They can do it, and I always feel that Japan also has a way. You can go, not necessarily as Liu Jun said, there is only one way."
Liu Yu really laughed this time, and replied with a short sentence.
"Europa doesn't have a huge celestial dynasty staring at it. Don't think about asking for a sword."
When Tokugawa Yoshimune saw this line of words, he naturally thought of Japan's two plans to go out, but they were all strangled by the Celestial Dynasty.
Baijiangkou in Tang Dynasty and Renchen chaos in Ming Dynasty.
After a while, Liu Yu handed over another note.
"The fate of Japan is like this. If it is in Europe, it will be a big country. But within the ten thousand miles of the celestial dynasty, what way can Japan go? Even if the country is restored in the future, the first step is to restore the old Hideyoshi The way to go to North Korea. But the general asked himself, can we still do it now?"
"Since it can't be done, why do you insist on going against the sky? Isn't it good to be the governor of the land for the Celestial Dynasty honestly? The Celestial Dynasty will understand the intentions of the shogunate. I can guarantee here that if the general can answer With a few conditions, the Celestial Dynasty can also guarantee that if anyone falls, the Celestial Dynasty will send troops."
"Think about it, the general. If the Celestial Dynasty sends troops this time, if the strategy is changed, will the shogunate still exist? Whether it is survival or death, even if the Celestial Dynasty has a second thought, the general still thinks about Goujian's extermination of Wu. This is unwise."
"The tax revenue from the customs is given to the shogunate, and the feudal vassals are not allowed to trade. As long as the shogunate operates properly, the treasury can be filled."
"As for Japan... why should the general think about it? The king's flag changes on the top of the city, and I will appear on the stage after you sing. Where is the Ashikaga clan now? Where is the Toyotomi clan now? What's the matter?"
"I said that the general resigned as the general to become Chen She. It was just a joke. But it was also a reminder to the general who he should be wary of. The general's enemy is inside, not outside."
"Dashun is not the enemy of the shogunate, but the best ally of the shogunate. Let me ask the general, does the general have the ambition to sacrifice his life for the rise of Japan? If so, please resign from the position of general and raise your arms Shout out, form a strange army to resist the regular soldiers and warriors of the vassals, overthrow the shogunate, overthrow the vassals, redistribute interests, implement the centralized government of the first emperor, follow the example of Tang Zong's imperial examinations, and all the heroes in the world will be included in the network, and the land will be run to run schools. .”
"If not, I will only ask the general one question."
Tokugawa Yoshimune thought, isn't this a joke?The shogun overthrew the shogunate, and the samurai leader overthrew the samurai system?Is there such a thing in the world?
But Liu Yu's reminder also convinced Tokugawa Yoshimune.Indeed, from the perspective of the shogunate, Dashun only wanted money, but if someone really wanted to learn the system of the Celestial Dynasty, it would be fatal.
In desperation, he nodded at Liu Yu, indicating to ask Liu Yu to ask the question he wanted to ask.
"The total expenditure of Dashun's warships, sailors, new troops, firearms, drills, and military pay has accumulated to about 3000 million taels so far."
"Even if Dashun doesn't build a warship in the future, the general needs at least 3000 million taels of silver if he wants to cross the Tsushima Strait and stand in Busan, North Korea."
"The general didn't want to be a comprador to make money, and he didn't dare to withhold the soldiers' salaries for fear that the soldiers would be violent, and he didn't have the ability to make the people tie their necks and offer all the food."
"I just want to ask the general, how is the general going to get the 3000 million taels of silver? Does he have the ability to turn stone into gold?"
"Without money, why are you talking about ambitions? The general thinks I came to Edo a few years ago, and made a low profile. What is the purpose? Isn't it those copper-smelling things?"
"So, if you have the heart to enrich the country and strengthen the army, please feel at ease as a comprador. The more goods you sell, the richer the general will be."
"If you don't have the heart to enrich the country and strengthen the army, and just want to be the governor of the Celestial Dynasty, the ancestral temple of the Baodechuan clan, please feel at ease as a comprador. Make money, weaken the vassals, and raise a banner that deters the vassals."
"It's good to be a comprador."
Talking about money is pretty vulgar.
But to the point where the king of a country does not talk about money, it is difficult to move an inch.Liu Yu's question directly strangled Tokugawa Yoshimune's neck, 3000 million taels of silver... Where did it come from?
He didn't expect Liu Yu to directly talk about the method that he and his son thought of at the beginning, to be a comprador for a few years to save money.
Based on past experience, Tokugawa Yoshimune was convinced that if Liu Yu dared to say something, he would not be afraid, and he would have a backup.
So he asked directly: "Liu Jun would not like to see Japan become rich and strong. But Liu Jun also knows that if I work as a comprador, I can get money and possibly strengthen the army. Liu Jun is really not afraid ?"
After Liu Yu looked at it, he shook his head directly.
"After the general makes the country rich and the army strong, there must be a purpose, right? What is the purpose? In terms of revenge, unless it swallows up the heavenly dynasty at once, this is simply unrealistic."
"Then if it is to drive us away and continue to retreat?"
"Dashun didn't attack Japan, he didn't swallow it, he just asked for a switch, because Dashun's silk, tea, porcelain, glazed medicinal materials and other things can be exchanged for gold and silver in Japan."
"Let's not say that the Chinese government has opened and closed trade. Even if the general is strong and beats the Chinese government and forces the Chinese government not to charge tariffs, it will be invincible. What is the plan? Selling straw sandals?"
"So I'm not afraid at all. Whale swallowing no matter what, Japan can't swallow it. Since it can't swallow it, I will remember the enmity of the ninth generation. The Chinese dynasty has slowed down. If it is necessary to accuse me of being a traitor and misusing the country for raising tigers, I will definitely split Japan and divide it. , use the barbarians to control the barbarians, and you will never stand up."
"You can't gobble it up, and then even if Japan wins, what do you want? I can't figure it out. Just to retreat again, and then there is no comprador income, and they can't afford to support the new army. Disband the new army and continue the samurai system, and then dozens of Will I be beaten again after a year? Or after retreating, my military equipment will be relaxed, and I will not be able to keep up with the war tactics that change every 50 years outside, and repeat today’s story 50 years later?”
"Before going to war, you must first think about what the purpose of the war is. Think about it, general. Please answer the doubts in my heart. Even if the country is rich and the army wins, what does the general want?"
"Really, general, if you think it's just that Japan is not happy to open a port, I will write to the emperor tomorrow, and I can also lease you a piece of land in Songjiang, Guangzhou, Ningbo, Quanzhou, and Fujian, and the customs duties on both sides are free. Need ?"
"I've been thinking about this since I've been eyeing the general ten years ago. I was thinking, if I were the shogun, I would learn from the pain after the defeat, and what would I ask for after a strong army? I can't figure it out, so please ask the general Solve my doubts."
(End of this chapter)
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