Xinshun 1730
Chapter 515 Set the Northern Border Before Going South
Chapter 515 Set the Northern Border Before Going South
The eunuchs are good at what they like, and it seems to be the case when comparing the Han and Tang Dynasties.
This strange analogy stunned Li Gan for a moment, and then he laughed, thinking that this is indeed the case.
During the Han Dynasty, the Weiyang Palace was rich all over the world, but before Hanwu, didn't they never eat cucumbers?The muskets and glassware in the palace today are similar to the grapes and cucumbers in the Han Dynasty.
It's just that at that time, all nations came to the DPRK, but now several countries come to the DPRK, and the rest of the diplomacy is still somewhat different.
After laughing, he looked at the time, it was still half a quarter of an hour before Qi Guogong came.Aroused by the eunuch's words, he pretended to relax and asked, "Have you read Jinghou's book? He thinks about things outside the world all day long."
"Returning to Your Majesty, the servants have never seen it. But we servants in the palace will also gather together to chat, and when there are some vegetables in the meal, some of them who have seen it are joking. Not only did they talk about cucumbers, they also said that the eggplants were from Tianzhu. It is said that since it came from Fanwai Tianzhu, it was originally called Tomato, and Jialanzhijia is still Tomato. Now this tomato has something else, but it really counts. take note of it."
The eunuch neither said that he had seen it, nor did he say that he didn't know it at all, but his answer was impeccable.
Li Gan sounded interesting, so Ben just said it casually, and said with a smile: "Jinghou's book, you can read it, it's interesting. Others pay attention to classics, but he pays attention to food, clothing, housing and transportation. But the drunkard's intention is not to drink , talking about cucumbers and eggplants, but inside they are advocating external exchanges. One thing is good, he always makes it clear what he wants to do. I hope he will always be like this, even if I don’t know what he wants to do. If you like something, just say it clearly, even if you are against me like before... But don't dare to say something when you want to do something."
Since he was not afraid that the eunuch would pass this on to Liu Yu, no one in the emperor could say what was in his heart, and it was better to say it than to keep it in his heart.
The eunuch didn't answer the conversation either, knowing that the emperor didn't need him to agree or answer at this time, he was just a tool that was alive and could listen but stop here after listening.
Sure enough, Li Gan didn't wait for the eunuch to answer or agree with him at all, he got up and walked around a few times, then asked the eunuch to clean up.
When the eunuch was tidying up, Li Gan took a last look at those few old memorials, shook his head and stopped thinking about them.
In any case, the heart said, the step of going to Nanyang has to be completed, as for the future, let's see and talk.
Before Hanwu, he had never seen cucumbers.Similarly, before the Han Dynasty, there had never been a Protectorate of the Western Regions, and there had never been any history books on how to govern the Western Regions. Isn’t it still developed?
If you compare it to the Han and Tang Dynasties, how can you only think about the border?Han had a Duhufu from scratch, and Tang had an imperial examination system gradually established. Li Gan thought to himself, it seems that Dashun should also try to start from scratch, so it is like Han and Tang?
After pondering for a while, I felt a mixture of fear and excitement about those new things that I had never seen before, and I vaguely felt that everything might be different. Finally, I decided to go ahead and see, and if it didn’t work, I would just go back.
But if we want to move forward for the time being, we must go to Nanyang.To go to Nanyang, we must ensure that the north is completely stable.Once they go to Nanyang, the Rakshasa will feel relieved, knowing that the Great Shunyi is not in the north, and it will be safe for a hundred years in the north.
Half a quarter of an hour later, Duke Qi arrived on time. Li Gan put away all his thoughts and listened intently to Duke Qi's report on the negotiation with Luo Sha.
"The minister looked at the Rakshasa messenger, and he had the intention of returning soon. In the past, the minister went to Europe to participate in the succession ceremony of Peter II. When the minister arrived, Peter II had passed away, and a woman took the door Changing the story to become the tsar, the minister can see the whole process. The minister came back from France, passed by Luocha, and saw many methods. Anna reused outsiders, and the new party and the old party of Luocha were dissatisfied."
"So, the Rakshasa Rebellion is not outside the Xiaoqiang, but inside the Xiaoqiang. This Rakshasa envoy is Anna's confidant. This person wants to return quickly, fearing that there will be changes in his country. Now the Swedes have the intention of invading eastward. Raksha people are really difficult to deal with, so there are many concessions."
"Delay for a few more days, with the Omu River as the boundary between the north and the south, there should be no problem."
The goal of Dashun is Omsk.It is both the goal and the bottom line.
Further north, it is impossible for the Russians to give it, and even if they did, the group of Cossacks would not take the initiative to leave.
In addition, the east-west direction of the Omu River is an important transportation line for the fur trade of the Cossacks. At most, it is bounded by this. Dashun built a few symbolic fortresses and arranged hundreds of people to guard it. Russia is still allowed to use the Omu River. Wood river transport fur is.
Li Gan was aware of some turmoil in Russia, and he had also asked Hannibal carefully, who now speaks Chinese very well. According to court thinking, things are connected, so he knew the current situation in Russia.
If you want to go south, you must first pretend to go north.There are no factional disputes in Dashun to go south or go north. Whether it is the army or the navy, they all know that there is nothing in the north and that the south is better.
The original intention is not in the north, as long as the negotiation can achieve the goal, it is fine, and the oppression should not be too tight.Although it seems that there is such a four-nation alliance of China, France, Turkey, and Sweden, there is no such thing in fact. It is just a common enemy to borrow from each other.
If we want to go to Nanyang in the future, we can't get into too much trouble with Russia, just about the same, lest we have to drag our energy to the north.
"What do you say about the people sent by the Ministry of Foreign Affairs to the Torghut Ministry?" Li Gan asked again about the old Oala Ministry on the Volga River, which is an important force to contain Russia.
"Return to Your Majesty, sent a few batches, but was arrested twice by the Raksha people. The minister is negotiating to return. According to those who came back smoothly, the Torghut Department is quite dissatisfied with the Raksha."
"They were conscripted all day long and forced to fight with Swedes, Turks, Crimean Tatars, and Poles they had never met. It was cannon fodder."
"Compared to the tolerance of the alignment department in this dynasty, their hearts are towards this dynasty, or to places where there are not so many military conscription obligations. But I also know that the quasi-ministerial will not allow them to come back, and this dynasty will not allow them to come back. , so as to avoid the confluence of the old Oala tribes.”
"Those who went there said that the people of the Turghut tribe even showed them the seal of the king of virtuous justice issued to the ancestor of the Turghut tribe, Taiping, in the seventh year of Yongle."
Showing the seal of King Xianyi to Dashun's secret envoy is enough to show his attitude.
Not to mention whether this seal is true or not, it is enough to keep it.
In addition, the situation of the Celestial Dynasty is like this. The seals issued by the previous dynasty to the vassals have always been recognized by this dynasty.
As long as Xinchao Yise changes its name, turn in this seal and trade the old for the new.
It is much easier to exchange old seals for new ones than to issue new ones.
To display this seal means surrender, at least on the surface.
Li Gan also knew that it wasn't that the Turhu Special Department liked Dashun too much, but that compared to Dashun, the Raksha people were too ruthless.
The war was fought in half a day, and it was fought against Turkey, Poland and other countries, and suffered great losses.
They also believe in the yellow religion, and the Lama in the tribe must be extremely opposed to the Orthodox missionaries.
However, Dashun really had nothing to do.
It is definitely not possible to come back.
There are only so many pastures, and when you come back, you have to grab food from other people's mouths, which will cause trouble.
After all, both sides are Oala tribes. Once they merge, it will be another Oara tribe.
It is impossible for Dashun to take advantage of this and go to the Russians to fight to the death, just to help the Mongols create another khanate in the Western Regions.
In this negotiation with Russia, the issue of the soil department is also the direction that Russia attaches great importance to.
And Dashun can only pretend to take it seriously, and only by pretending to take it seriously can he sell it at a high price.
Anyway, it is impossible for Dashun to admit that Tube is a vassal or tributary state of Dashun, and it is even more impossible for Dashun to fight Russia for the Tube on the Volga River and go deep into the Russian interior.
Without such logistical capabilities, and without so much money, Dashun would not be able to benefit from it.
The current situation is the most favorable situation for Dashun.
Distance creates beauty.If they are too close, they are always thinking about establishing their own tribute instead of being directly under the jurisdiction of Dashun.
"As for the matter of the Tubu, when Qing talked with the Raksha people, the bottom line is that they are allowed to go back to the snow mountain to make tea and worship the Buddha, and they also need to agree to the exchanges and exchanges between the various Mongolian tribes. got in touch."
"Let's talk about the future in the future. The problems of the various ministries in the Western Regions are complicated. It's hard to say what will happen in the future."
"In the future, either we will return, or we will completely reconcile with Rakshasa and cut off communication with Tube. This is the future. Don't do everything now, lest you have no choice in the future."
"You also know about the matter of going south. This matter has been decided and cannot be changed. Sign the treaty with Luo Sha as soon as possible."
"Let Rakshasa settle down as soon as possible, and put his mind on the west earlier. Rakshasa is stronger in Europe, and countries such as Britain, Holland, and France will have less energy in Nanyang and Tianzhu. Allies today and enemies in the future, how can there be no change from ancient times? What? The world does not like the art of vertical and horizontal, because it is a fraudulent word. But you are the Ministry of Foreign Affairs, not the government, so you want to use this vertical and horizontal method."
Qi Guogong also agreed with Li Gan's statement. On the whole, he supported Nanyang. He also believed that as long as there is enough buffer for the land in the north, especially the line from the Altai Mountains to the Omu River, as long as it is restrained.
"I think so too. From west to east in northern Xinjiang, we have to deal with Rakshasa."
"This frontier is stable, no one can do it. Ruojinghai and Yezo have their own means to emigrate. The north and south of the Tianshan Mountains in the Western Regions, and even the Ili River Valley can also be emigrated and cultivated. But further north, there is really nothing they can do."
"I also think that the matter with Rakshasa is over. The population of Jinghai will multiply in the future, and the land to the north will naturally belong to this dynasty."
"But in Northwest China, we can only sign the treaty first."
"There is no rush in the northeast and no delay in the northwest."
Li Gan nodded, indicating that these two sentences were very much in his mind.
There is no rush in the Northeast, because according to the development trend of Ezo, and the foundation laid by Liu Yu on the coast of Jinghai, Heilongjiang Estuary and other places, after a few decades, the places further north will be in Dashun.
At this time, there is no need to talk nonsense with the Russians in the northeast.
The northwest cannot be slowed down, because the northwest border cannot be solved by the method of the northeast.Time is on the side of the Russians. It is too close to the hinterland of Russia and too far from the Central Plains. The longer it is delayed, the better it will be for the Russians.
First sign the treaty and establish a quarantine zone so that the impact will not be too deep after ten or eight years.
(End of this chapter)
The eunuchs are good at what they like, and it seems to be the case when comparing the Han and Tang Dynasties.
This strange analogy stunned Li Gan for a moment, and then he laughed, thinking that this is indeed the case.
During the Han Dynasty, the Weiyang Palace was rich all over the world, but before Hanwu, didn't they never eat cucumbers?The muskets and glassware in the palace today are similar to the grapes and cucumbers in the Han Dynasty.
It's just that at that time, all nations came to the DPRK, but now several countries come to the DPRK, and the rest of the diplomacy is still somewhat different.
After laughing, he looked at the time, it was still half a quarter of an hour before Qi Guogong came.Aroused by the eunuch's words, he pretended to relax and asked, "Have you read Jinghou's book? He thinks about things outside the world all day long."
"Returning to Your Majesty, the servants have never seen it. But we servants in the palace will also gather together to chat, and when there are some vegetables in the meal, some of them who have seen it are joking. Not only did they talk about cucumbers, they also said that the eggplants were from Tianzhu. It is said that since it came from Fanwai Tianzhu, it was originally called Tomato, and Jialanzhijia is still Tomato. Now this tomato has something else, but it really counts. take note of it."
The eunuch neither said that he had seen it, nor did he say that he didn't know it at all, but his answer was impeccable.
Li Gan sounded interesting, so Ben just said it casually, and said with a smile: "Jinghou's book, you can read it, it's interesting. Others pay attention to classics, but he pays attention to food, clothing, housing and transportation. But the drunkard's intention is not to drink , talking about cucumbers and eggplants, but inside they are advocating external exchanges. One thing is good, he always makes it clear what he wants to do. I hope he will always be like this, even if I don’t know what he wants to do. If you like something, just say it clearly, even if you are against me like before... But don't dare to say something when you want to do something."
Since he was not afraid that the eunuch would pass this on to Liu Yu, no one in the emperor could say what was in his heart, and it was better to say it than to keep it in his heart.
The eunuch didn't answer the conversation either, knowing that the emperor didn't need him to agree or answer at this time, he was just a tool that was alive and could listen but stop here after listening.
Sure enough, Li Gan didn't wait for the eunuch to answer or agree with him at all, he got up and walked around a few times, then asked the eunuch to clean up.
When the eunuch was tidying up, Li Gan took a last look at those few old memorials, shook his head and stopped thinking about them.
In any case, the heart said, the step of going to Nanyang has to be completed, as for the future, let's see and talk.
Before Hanwu, he had never seen cucumbers.Similarly, before the Han Dynasty, there had never been a Protectorate of the Western Regions, and there had never been any history books on how to govern the Western Regions. Isn’t it still developed?
If you compare it to the Han and Tang Dynasties, how can you only think about the border?Han had a Duhufu from scratch, and Tang had an imperial examination system gradually established. Li Gan thought to himself, it seems that Dashun should also try to start from scratch, so it is like Han and Tang?
After pondering for a while, I felt a mixture of fear and excitement about those new things that I had never seen before, and I vaguely felt that everything might be different. Finally, I decided to go ahead and see, and if it didn’t work, I would just go back.
But if we want to move forward for the time being, we must go to Nanyang.To go to Nanyang, we must ensure that the north is completely stable.Once they go to Nanyang, the Rakshasa will feel relieved, knowing that the Great Shunyi is not in the north, and it will be safe for a hundred years in the north.
Half a quarter of an hour later, Duke Qi arrived on time. Li Gan put away all his thoughts and listened intently to Duke Qi's report on the negotiation with Luo Sha.
"The minister looked at the Rakshasa messenger, and he had the intention of returning soon. In the past, the minister went to Europe to participate in the succession ceremony of Peter II. When the minister arrived, Peter II had passed away, and a woman took the door Changing the story to become the tsar, the minister can see the whole process. The minister came back from France, passed by Luocha, and saw many methods. Anna reused outsiders, and the new party and the old party of Luocha were dissatisfied."
"So, the Rakshasa Rebellion is not outside the Xiaoqiang, but inside the Xiaoqiang. This Rakshasa envoy is Anna's confidant. This person wants to return quickly, fearing that there will be changes in his country. Now the Swedes have the intention of invading eastward. Raksha people are really difficult to deal with, so there are many concessions."
"Delay for a few more days, with the Omu River as the boundary between the north and the south, there should be no problem."
The goal of Dashun is Omsk.It is both the goal and the bottom line.
Further north, it is impossible for the Russians to give it, and even if they did, the group of Cossacks would not take the initiative to leave.
In addition, the east-west direction of the Omu River is an important transportation line for the fur trade of the Cossacks. At most, it is bounded by this. Dashun built a few symbolic fortresses and arranged hundreds of people to guard it. Russia is still allowed to use the Omu River. Wood river transport fur is.
Li Gan was aware of some turmoil in Russia, and he had also asked Hannibal carefully, who now speaks Chinese very well. According to court thinking, things are connected, so he knew the current situation in Russia.
If you want to go south, you must first pretend to go north.There are no factional disputes in Dashun to go south or go north. Whether it is the army or the navy, they all know that there is nothing in the north and that the south is better.
The original intention is not in the north, as long as the negotiation can achieve the goal, it is fine, and the oppression should not be too tight.Although it seems that there is such a four-nation alliance of China, France, Turkey, and Sweden, there is no such thing in fact. It is just a common enemy to borrow from each other.
If we want to go to Nanyang in the future, we can't get into too much trouble with Russia, just about the same, lest we have to drag our energy to the north.
"What do you say about the people sent by the Ministry of Foreign Affairs to the Torghut Ministry?" Li Gan asked again about the old Oala Ministry on the Volga River, which is an important force to contain Russia.
"Return to Your Majesty, sent a few batches, but was arrested twice by the Raksha people. The minister is negotiating to return. According to those who came back smoothly, the Torghut Department is quite dissatisfied with the Raksha."
"They were conscripted all day long and forced to fight with Swedes, Turks, Crimean Tatars, and Poles they had never met. It was cannon fodder."
"Compared to the tolerance of the alignment department in this dynasty, their hearts are towards this dynasty, or to places where there are not so many military conscription obligations. But I also know that the quasi-ministerial will not allow them to come back, and this dynasty will not allow them to come back. , so as to avoid the confluence of the old Oala tribes.”
"Those who went there said that the people of the Turghut tribe even showed them the seal of the king of virtuous justice issued to the ancestor of the Turghut tribe, Taiping, in the seventh year of Yongle."
Showing the seal of King Xianyi to Dashun's secret envoy is enough to show his attitude.
Not to mention whether this seal is true or not, it is enough to keep it.
In addition, the situation of the Celestial Dynasty is like this. The seals issued by the previous dynasty to the vassals have always been recognized by this dynasty.
As long as Xinchao Yise changes its name, turn in this seal and trade the old for the new.
It is much easier to exchange old seals for new ones than to issue new ones.
To display this seal means surrender, at least on the surface.
Li Gan also knew that it wasn't that the Turhu Special Department liked Dashun too much, but that compared to Dashun, the Raksha people were too ruthless.
The war was fought in half a day, and it was fought against Turkey, Poland and other countries, and suffered great losses.
They also believe in the yellow religion, and the Lama in the tribe must be extremely opposed to the Orthodox missionaries.
However, Dashun really had nothing to do.
It is definitely not possible to come back.
There are only so many pastures, and when you come back, you have to grab food from other people's mouths, which will cause trouble.
After all, both sides are Oala tribes. Once they merge, it will be another Oara tribe.
It is impossible for Dashun to take advantage of this and go to the Russians to fight to the death, just to help the Mongols create another khanate in the Western Regions.
In this negotiation with Russia, the issue of the soil department is also the direction that Russia attaches great importance to.
And Dashun can only pretend to take it seriously, and only by pretending to take it seriously can he sell it at a high price.
Anyway, it is impossible for Dashun to admit that Tube is a vassal or tributary state of Dashun, and it is even more impossible for Dashun to fight Russia for the Tube on the Volga River and go deep into the Russian interior.
Without such logistical capabilities, and without so much money, Dashun would not be able to benefit from it.
The current situation is the most favorable situation for Dashun.
Distance creates beauty.If they are too close, they are always thinking about establishing their own tribute instead of being directly under the jurisdiction of Dashun.
"As for the matter of the Tubu, when Qing talked with the Raksha people, the bottom line is that they are allowed to go back to the snow mountain to make tea and worship the Buddha, and they also need to agree to the exchanges and exchanges between the various Mongolian tribes. got in touch."
"Let's talk about the future in the future. The problems of the various ministries in the Western Regions are complicated. It's hard to say what will happen in the future."
"In the future, either we will return, or we will completely reconcile with Rakshasa and cut off communication with Tube. This is the future. Don't do everything now, lest you have no choice in the future."
"You also know about the matter of going south. This matter has been decided and cannot be changed. Sign the treaty with Luo Sha as soon as possible."
"Let Rakshasa settle down as soon as possible, and put his mind on the west earlier. Rakshasa is stronger in Europe, and countries such as Britain, Holland, and France will have less energy in Nanyang and Tianzhu. Allies today and enemies in the future, how can there be no change from ancient times? What? The world does not like the art of vertical and horizontal, because it is a fraudulent word. But you are the Ministry of Foreign Affairs, not the government, so you want to use this vertical and horizontal method."
Qi Guogong also agreed with Li Gan's statement. On the whole, he supported Nanyang. He also believed that as long as there is enough buffer for the land in the north, especially the line from the Altai Mountains to the Omu River, as long as it is restrained.
"I think so too. From west to east in northern Xinjiang, we have to deal with Rakshasa."
"This frontier is stable, no one can do it. Ruojinghai and Yezo have their own means to emigrate. The north and south of the Tianshan Mountains in the Western Regions, and even the Ili River Valley can also be emigrated and cultivated. But further north, there is really nothing they can do."
"I also think that the matter with Rakshasa is over. The population of Jinghai will multiply in the future, and the land to the north will naturally belong to this dynasty."
"But in Northwest China, we can only sign the treaty first."
"There is no rush in the northeast and no delay in the northwest."
Li Gan nodded, indicating that these two sentences were very much in his mind.
There is no rush in the Northeast, because according to the development trend of Ezo, and the foundation laid by Liu Yu on the coast of Jinghai, Heilongjiang Estuary and other places, after a few decades, the places further north will be in Dashun.
At this time, there is no need to talk nonsense with the Russians in the northeast.
The northwest cannot be slowed down, because the northwest border cannot be solved by the method of the northeast.Time is on the side of the Russians. It is too close to the hinterland of Russia and too far from the Central Plains. The longer it is delayed, the better it will be for the Russians.
First sign the treaty and establish a quarantine zone so that the impact will not be too deep after ten or eight years.
(End of this chapter)
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