Xinshun 1730
Chapter 546
Chapter 546
Li Gan did not oppose the reform.
I don't object to someone breaking the situation of "breaking but not establishing", and coming up with a new set of things that fully fits the economic foundation of Dashun today, completely replacing Zhu Zixue, and erecting the official ideology.
Even, very supportive.
However, this person must not be Liu Yu.
Li Gan can support Liu Yu in pursuing practical studies, academies of sciences, the navy, and military reforms.
However, if the former is allowed, it is impossible to allow Liu Yu to integrate and diverge this set into a system.
Wang Anshi is No.1, and may also be the last one. He is a strong man who can not only enter the central government, but also create a system.
When Wang Yangming arrives, then he will be named uncle, don't enter the center, go home and study the mind.
In the future, the study of the mind can be allowed to be strong, and there are many students with the study of the heart in the court, but the premise is that Wang Yangming is dead, or it is impossible to enter the center.
The Dashun at this time, although not exactly the same, is almost the same.
Just like Dashun, it is not without great Confucianism, there are also northern and southern factions with their own systems, and there is also a school of ancient Confucianism, but although the faction leaders have a high reputation, it is absolutely impossible to enter the center.
The emperor knew Liu Yu's level of Confucianism well.However, he can't, and others may not... The emperor still knows how Liu Yu won the leader in the Wude Palace exam.
The Batavia incident that caused this incident is a manifestation of this kind of thing.
If this happened under the rule of Dashun, how would we treat it?This itself is an official academic question.
If it is Zhu Zixue, as official learning, how will this matter be characterized?
If Jing Gong's new learning is regarded as official knowledge, how can this matter be so qualitative?
If Han Confucianism Gongyang is regarded as official knowledge, how will this matter be characterized?
This is completely different.
Dashun did not rely on the "Dashun Law" to govern the country, nor could it rely on the "Dashun Law" to govern the country.
With the development of industry and commerce in the future, what we need to worry about is not the issue of collusion between officials and businessmen. To the emperor, collusion between officials and businessmen is a trivial matter.After all, it is still a matter that can be solved by the Qingtian master and the emperor Shengming sending an "eight government patrol" to investigate the case.
But with the development of industry and commerce, how do the officials view some emerging things?This is the question that the emperor should take seriously.
Things are still the same thing.
But things are good?is it bad?is support?Is it against?Is it praise?Is it an outrage?This is the meaning of official culture.
The remarriage of the same widow was completely different in the pre-Qin, Han, Tang, Song, Ming, Shun, and later generations.Li Qingzhao, for example, has become an "unchaste woman".
Another example is Chongzhen, who sneered at Tang Taizong's various immoral behaviors, thinking that comparing Tang Taizong with himself was an insult to himself.But if in later generations, the most is "sympathy" for Chongzhen, but no matter how sympathetic, empathetic, and mourning his untimely life, no one will ask: When the emperor is Chongzhen strong, or Li Erqiang?
Similarly, if industry and commerce develop, how should we characterize something unprecedented?And, how to deal with it?
In the case of the Batavia sugar factory, the situation in the Netherlands is that the use of slave labor is acquiesced, and the rebels are finally considered to be the first crime.
And as the Minister of the Criminal Government said, under the rule of Dashun, the first crime is the governor who raised taxes at will, the second crime is the sugar factory contractor, and the slave labor is at the end, and it can basically be characterized as "fishing and killing families".
Another example is the tulip bubble, the South Sea bubble, and the Mississippi bubble. Europe must be willing to bet and admit defeat. Don’t cry if you lose.
But on Dashun's side, most of them arrested speculators and promoters for the crime of "manipulating the market". Heart.
This difference is just the tip of the iceberg, or if the famous minister Haigangfeng, if the tulip bubble happened under his rule, how would he deal with it?Or the use of slave labor in the Batavia sugar factory, how will it deal with it?
This is the so-called "Tao".
"Spring and Autumn" can break the prison, but what if someone wants to use "Xiadong" to break the prison?How about using "Mozi" to break the prison?How about using "Xunzi" to break the prison?How about using "Han Feizi" to break the prison?
The result must be different. I am afraid that the attitude of the first level of "hiding relatives and relatives" will definitely be completely different.
Even the Confucian scholars in Japan know that under the banner of going back to the past, they use ancient books from the pre-Qin period to reform the system, saying that they are Confucian scholars, but they practice law, ink, and criminal names.How could Dashun not understand?
How could the emperor not know that with the Thirteen Classics, he could explain [-] completely different kinds of morality, and all of them could use the banner of orthodox Confucianism.
Not to mention a set of thirteen classics, but a simple sentence "the people can learn from it, but they can't be taught to know it". If you can't explain more than three diametrically opposite explanations, you will be considered as having no talents in Dashun.
The development of Ezo, the management of Nanyang in the future, and the possible prosperity of industry and commerce in the future must not be governed by the current set of things.
However, for this set of things, the emperor only allows special things to be done now, to accumulate experience, to see the effect,
And absolutely will not allow a new kind of learning like Jinggong Xinxue and Xinxue to explain all this as "in line with the law of heaven".
Even if it proves to be true in the future, and it will not affect the imperial power or threaten the rule, it can only be proposed by someone later, and it is absolutely impossible for Liu Yu at this time to raise it.
Mention, yes.
Leaving the center, cutting off titles, not participating in government affairs, like Li Zhi in the previous dynasty, Yan Yuan, Li Wei in this dynasty and others, go home and play, and say what you like.
Liu Yu had been mentioned by Tian Zhenyi for a long time, and she responded simply, directly using Wang Anshi's example.It seems to be saying, look at Wang Anshi's reform, but Wang Anshi also passed the imperial examinations based on old learning. People who almost won the top prize in old learning can do new things differently?
In fact, it was like expressing my opinion to the emperor: Once the Nanyang matter is over, I will settle my mind.After Li Weiping's Turks, he squatted at home and closed the door, not caring about anything outside.So will I.
Anyway, anyone can handle outside affairs, new things and old knowledge can also be solved, there is no lack of one less, and no more than one.If you tie a dog there, you can probably do it well, just like a calf learning to pull a plow, learn it.
This answer satisfied the emperor very much.The emperor had already agreed to Liu Yu's voyage to the West, and almost acquiesced that when he returned from the West, he would take over Nanyang as his commander.
It's not that he won't be used anymore, but that emerging things won't use him anymore.
Whether it is industry and commerce, the development of Ezo, the governor of Nanyang, etc., people outside his influence will be selected to ensure that without people from Liu Yu's line, these new things can still work.
If Liu Yu insists on retiring, then let him go to be in charge of the Academy of Sciences, make him a duke, enjoy unlimited honor, and just take care of him for the rest of his life.
If he still wants to contribute to the society, he can be asked to supervise "old" things such as water control, water transportation reform, and mu tax inspection.
The question just now, if Liu Yu blurted out words such as "a person with a background in the imperial examination, can manage industry and commerce, workshops, handicrafts, joint-stock companies, and Nanyang colonies", etc., it would be completely different.
Although... that might be true.
But in the imperial court, Liu Yu, who was under 20 years old more than ten years ago, told the truth that "a newborn calf is not afraid of tigers, and he is brave enough to be my champion";
The imperial court was originally a place to force people to tell lies.
After telling the lie, Liu Yu felt comfortable, and the emperor was also happy, and said, "Jinghou's words are true. Before the Han Dynasty, why did you come to the Western Regions? Who knew that he should be the protector of the Western Regions like this? Isn't it the same in the future?" Is it all right?"
"Everything has advantages and disadvantages. Those who want to promote the prosperity of industry and commerce should talk more about its advantages; those who want to focus on agriculture should talk more about its disadvantages."
"As the saying goes, if you listen to both, you will be clear, and if you are partial, you will be dark. I am at the top, and the things below will ultimately depend on listening and trusting."
"Nowadays, talking about advantages and disadvantages; even speaking only about advantages and disadvantages are all good things. After all, no one has seen these new things before. If you belong, you can only see benefits."
"That's how I thought, and I selected a minister to supervise the industrial and commercial affairs in Songjiang, Zhili, and Wendeng. Big and small things, within three to five years, they will be reported together and reported as teachers and references for future generations. Just focus on industrial and commercial affairs, and ignore the rest civil and military affairs."
"If it is like the Suzhou government's unanimous action to call it a rest, it is unprecedented, but after dealing with it once, there will be something to follow in the future."
"Changzhou County is called rest, and the affairs of a county go straight to the sky. But after the monument is erected, a county magistrate can handle it."
"Today is a special matter, and tomorrow is the law and the law. It is only a matter of one county and one state. One county magistrate can judge, and one subordinate official can decide."
"As for the pros and cons, I'm not someone who doesn't know right from wrong. Whether it's good or bad, I've seen it myself for several years."
Liu Yu thought to himself that your pros and cons may not necessarily be my pros and cons, and the Li family's pros and cons may not necessarily be China's pros and cons.
But you can't see anything now, and you can't see the really dangerous things for the time being.
That being the case, how do you like to toss how toss.Not opposing is itself a kind of support.
"I think what your majesty said is justified. Standing here, everyone knows that I support the navy and industry and commerce. Therefore, my eyes can only see the advantages, but not necessarily the disadvantages."
"Your Majesty saw it in person, and Sheng Ming made a decision. He can see more clearly than someone like me who is blindfolded and can only see half of it."
"Since it is a special matter, it must be done after all. Only by doing it can we know whether it is good or bad, whether it is good or bad. I also hope that after a few years, I can see clearly whether the good outweighs the bad or the bad outweighs the good."
The emperor smiled and nodded, thinking that after all you are still worried that this matter will turn into "natural law" air-to-air nonsense again.After all, it does not say whether there are advantages or disadvantages, but that "the advantages outweigh the disadvantages", or "the disadvantages outweigh the advantages".
Talking about the pros and cons is itself a kind of progress.
Because the premise of talking about pros and cons is to recognize merit and benefit.
If the country is governed by pure moral education, there will be no advantages outweighing the disadvantages or disadvantages outweighing the advantages in moral education, and there will be no big or small mistakes.
There is only right or wrong.
In order to reassure Liu Yu, the emperor smiled and said: "For those who benefit, the people benefit as much as the glass windows, the treasury is full, and the refugees have things to do. As long as the imperial court can still control it, this means that the benefits outweigh the disadvantages. The amount of money is not greedy. Real disaster relief, protection of the country and the people, no money is not enough."
(End of this chapter)
Li Gan did not oppose the reform.
I don't object to someone breaking the situation of "breaking but not establishing", and coming up with a new set of things that fully fits the economic foundation of Dashun today, completely replacing Zhu Zixue, and erecting the official ideology.
Even, very supportive.
However, this person must not be Liu Yu.
Li Gan can support Liu Yu in pursuing practical studies, academies of sciences, the navy, and military reforms.
However, if the former is allowed, it is impossible to allow Liu Yu to integrate and diverge this set into a system.
Wang Anshi is No.1, and may also be the last one. He is a strong man who can not only enter the central government, but also create a system.
When Wang Yangming arrives, then he will be named uncle, don't enter the center, go home and study the mind.
In the future, the study of the mind can be allowed to be strong, and there are many students with the study of the heart in the court, but the premise is that Wang Yangming is dead, or it is impossible to enter the center.
The Dashun at this time, although not exactly the same, is almost the same.
Just like Dashun, it is not without great Confucianism, there are also northern and southern factions with their own systems, and there is also a school of ancient Confucianism, but although the faction leaders have a high reputation, it is absolutely impossible to enter the center.
The emperor knew Liu Yu's level of Confucianism well.However, he can't, and others may not... The emperor still knows how Liu Yu won the leader in the Wude Palace exam.
The Batavia incident that caused this incident is a manifestation of this kind of thing.
If this happened under the rule of Dashun, how would we treat it?This itself is an official academic question.
If it is Zhu Zixue, as official learning, how will this matter be characterized?
If Jing Gong's new learning is regarded as official knowledge, how can this matter be so qualitative?
If Han Confucianism Gongyang is regarded as official knowledge, how will this matter be characterized?
This is completely different.
Dashun did not rely on the "Dashun Law" to govern the country, nor could it rely on the "Dashun Law" to govern the country.
With the development of industry and commerce in the future, what we need to worry about is not the issue of collusion between officials and businessmen. To the emperor, collusion between officials and businessmen is a trivial matter.After all, it is still a matter that can be solved by the Qingtian master and the emperor Shengming sending an "eight government patrol" to investigate the case.
But with the development of industry and commerce, how do the officials view some emerging things?This is the question that the emperor should take seriously.
Things are still the same thing.
But things are good?is it bad?is support?Is it against?Is it praise?Is it an outrage?This is the meaning of official culture.
The remarriage of the same widow was completely different in the pre-Qin, Han, Tang, Song, Ming, Shun, and later generations.Li Qingzhao, for example, has become an "unchaste woman".
Another example is Chongzhen, who sneered at Tang Taizong's various immoral behaviors, thinking that comparing Tang Taizong with himself was an insult to himself.But if in later generations, the most is "sympathy" for Chongzhen, but no matter how sympathetic, empathetic, and mourning his untimely life, no one will ask: When the emperor is Chongzhen strong, or Li Erqiang?
Similarly, if industry and commerce develop, how should we characterize something unprecedented?And, how to deal with it?
In the case of the Batavia sugar factory, the situation in the Netherlands is that the use of slave labor is acquiesced, and the rebels are finally considered to be the first crime.
And as the Minister of the Criminal Government said, under the rule of Dashun, the first crime is the governor who raised taxes at will, the second crime is the sugar factory contractor, and the slave labor is at the end, and it can basically be characterized as "fishing and killing families".
Another example is the tulip bubble, the South Sea bubble, and the Mississippi bubble. Europe must be willing to bet and admit defeat. Don’t cry if you lose.
But on Dashun's side, most of them arrested speculators and promoters for the crime of "manipulating the market". Heart.
This difference is just the tip of the iceberg, or if the famous minister Haigangfeng, if the tulip bubble happened under his rule, how would he deal with it?Or the use of slave labor in the Batavia sugar factory, how will it deal with it?
This is the so-called "Tao".
"Spring and Autumn" can break the prison, but what if someone wants to use "Xiadong" to break the prison?How about using "Mozi" to break the prison?How about using "Xunzi" to break the prison?How about using "Han Feizi" to break the prison?
The result must be different. I am afraid that the attitude of the first level of "hiding relatives and relatives" will definitely be completely different.
Even the Confucian scholars in Japan know that under the banner of going back to the past, they use ancient books from the pre-Qin period to reform the system, saying that they are Confucian scholars, but they practice law, ink, and criminal names.How could Dashun not understand?
How could the emperor not know that with the Thirteen Classics, he could explain [-] completely different kinds of morality, and all of them could use the banner of orthodox Confucianism.
Not to mention a set of thirteen classics, but a simple sentence "the people can learn from it, but they can't be taught to know it". If you can't explain more than three diametrically opposite explanations, you will be considered as having no talents in Dashun.
The development of Ezo, the management of Nanyang in the future, and the possible prosperity of industry and commerce in the future must not be governed by the current set of things.
However, for this set of things, the emperor only allows special things to be done now, to accumulate experience, to see the effect,
And absolutely will not allow a new kind of learning like Jinggong Xinxue and Xinxue to explain all this as "in line with the law of heaven".
Even if it proves to be true in the future, and it will not affect the imperial power or threaten the rule, it can only be proposed by someone later, and it is absolutely impossible for Liu Yu at this time to raise it.
Mention, yes.
Leaving the center, cutting off titles, not participating in government affairs, like Li Zhi in the previous dynasty, Yan Yuan, Li Wei in this dynasty and others, go home and play, and say what you like.
Liu Yu had been mentioned by Tian Zhenyi for a long time, and she responded simply, directly using Wang Anshi's example.It seems to be saying, look at Wang Anshi's reform, but Wang Anshi also passed the imperial examinations based on old learning. People who almost won the top prize in old learning can do new things differently?
In fact, it was like expressing my opinion to the emperor: Once the Nanyang matter is over, I will settle my mind.After Li Weiping's Turks, he squatted at home and closed the door, not caring about anything outside.So will I.
Anyway, anyone can handle outside affairs, new things and old knowledge can also be solved, there is no lack of one less, and no more than one.If you tie a dog there, you can probably do it well, just like a calf learning to pull a plow, learn it.
This answer satisfied the emperor very much.The emperor had already agreed to Liu Yu's voyage to the West, and almost acquiesced that when he returned from the West, he would take over Nanyang as his commander.
It's not that he won't be used anymore, but that emerging things won't use him anymore.
Whether it is industry and commerce, the development of Ezo, the governor of Nanyang, etc., people outside his influence will be selected to ensure that without people from Liu Yu's line, these new things can still work.
If Liu Yu insists on retiring, then let him go to be in charge of the Academy of Sciences, make him a duke, enjoy unlimited honor, and just take care of him for the rest of his life.
If he still wants to contribute to the society, he can be asked to supervise "old" things such as water control, water transportation reform, and mu tax inspection.
The question just now, if Liu Yu blurted out words such as "a person with a background in the imperial examination, can manage industry and commerce, workshops, handicrafts, joint-stock companies, and Nanyang colonies", etc., it would be completely different.
Although... that might be true.
But in the imperial court, Liu Yu, who was under 20 years old more than ten years ago, told the truth that "a newborn calf is not afraid of tigers, and he is brave enough to be my champion";
The imperial court was originally a place to force people to tell lies.
After telling the lie, Liu Yu felt comfortable, and the emperor was also happy, and said, "Jinghou's words are true. Before the Han Dynasty, why did you come to the Western Regions? Who knew that he should be the protector of the Western Regions like this? Isn't it the same in the future?" Is it all right?"
"Everything has advantages and disadvantages. Those who want to promote the prosperity of industry and commerce should talk more about its advantages; those who want to focus on agriculture should talk more about its disadvantages."
"As the saying goes, if you listen to both, you will be clear, and if you are partial, you will be dark. I am at the top, and the things below will ultimately depend on listening and trusting."
"Nowadays, talking about advantages and disadvantages; even speaking only about advantages and disadvantages are all good things. After all, no one has seen these new things before. If you belong, you can only see benefits."
"That's how I thought, and I selected a minister to supervise the industrial and commercial affairs in Songjiang, Zhili, and Wendeng. Big and small things, within three to five years, they will be reported together and reported as teachers and references for future generations. Just focus on industrial and commercial affairs, and ignore the rest civil and military affairs."
"If it is like the Suzhou government's unanimous action to call it a rest, it is unprecedented, but after dealing with it once, there will be something to follow in the future."
"Changzhou County is called rest, and the affairs of a county go straight to the sky. But after the monument is erected, a county magistrate can handle it."
"Today is a special matter, and tomorrow is the law and the law. It is only a matter of one county and one state. One county magistrate can judge, and one subordinate official can decide."
"As for the pros and cons, I'm not someone who doesn't know right from wrong. Whether it's good or bad, I've seen it myself for several years."
Liu Yu thought to himself that your pros and cons may not necessarily be my pros and cons, and the Li family's pros and cons may not necessarily be China's pros and cons.
But you can't see anything now, and you can't see the really dangerous things for the time being.
That being the case, how do you like to toss how toss.Not opposing is itself a kind of support.
"I think what your majesty said is justified. Standing here, everyone knows that I support the navy and industry and commerce. Therefore, my eyes can only see the advantages, but not necessarily the disadvantages."
"Your Majesty saw it in person, and Sheng Ming made a decision. He can see more clearly than someone like me who is blindfolded and can only see half of it."
"Since it is a special matter, it must be done after all. Only by doing it can we know whether it is good or bad, whether it is good or bad. I also hope that after a few years, I can see clearly whether the good outweighs the bad or the bad outweighs the good."
The emperor smiled and nodded, thinking that after all you are still worried that this matter will turn into "natural law" air-to-air nonsense again.After all, it does not say whether there are advantages or disadvantages, but that "the advantages outweigh the disadvantages", or "the disadvantages outweigh the advantages".
Talking about the pros and cons is itself a kind of progress.
Because the premise of talking about pros and cons is to recognize merit and benefit.
If the country is governed by pure moral education, there will be no advantages outweighing the disadvantages or disadvantages outweighing the advantages in moral education, and there will be no big or small mistakes.
There is only right or wrong.
In order to reassure Liu Yu, the emperor smiled and said: "For those who benefit, the people benefit as much as the glass windows, the treasury is full, and the refugees have things to do. As long as the imperial court can still control it, this means that the benefits outweigh the disadvantages. The amount of money is not greedy. Real disaster relief, protection of the country and the people, no money is not enough."
(End of this chapter)
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