Xinshun 1730
Chapter 587 Inequality
Chapter 587 Inequality
This proposal is not only ecstatic for the members of the council, but if it is spread outside, the Chinese community in the south of the city will also be ecstatic.
Liu Yu said that in the four towns of Anxi, Batavia may become an empty shell, which is another reverse interpretation of the ecstasy of these people.
The game between local interests and overall interests is not uncommon in history, especially in Southeast Asia and even Fujian and Guangdong after the fall of the Ming Dynasty.
Historically, Shi Lang, who caused Liu Yu to kill Shi Lang who did not want to wear the title of "Marquis of Jinghai", once planned to use the relationship between Taiwan and Britain and the Netherlands to complete the ambition of transferring the foreign trade center from Guangdong to Fujian; A series of games involving the foreign monopoly of the Customs and the Guangzhou Thirteen Banks.
The purpose of these local forces is clear and simple.money.
In fact, what Liu Yu did before was similar. It was tantamount to moving the foreign trade center from south to north to Songjiang, siding with Jiangsu and Zhejiang capital, or standing with the Yangtze River waterway and the cities on both sides of the waterway. side.The Pearl River Basin is still too small.
To some extent, the decline of Macao's trade in recent years, the prevalence of underworld and gangs, and the smuggling of people to trade slave labor have become the mainstay of the economy. These few big scapegoats can actually be pinned on Liu Yu's head.
He used the game of local and overall interests to talk about this matter, but he didn't mean to drink.
After all, Valkenier is also a governor. Although he has to take care of local forces, his governor was airborne by the committee, and he will return to the Netherlands in the future.
Liu Yu made such a move, which made Valkner wonder if he had offended Liu Yu in private?Did the two have a personal feud?
It is definitely impossible for me to agree to Liu Yu's request, even if I have no power to make decisions for the 17-member board of directors, even if the China Trade Commission and the Batavia government are parallel organizations and not subordinate organizations, even if he agrees or disagrees, it is useless. Once Liu Yu said this, he had to make a statement.
Supporting Liu Yu, the local forces in Batavia will be more loyal and supportive of him, but the board of directors will feel that he is on the side of the local area and will definitely transfer him back.
Against Liu Yu, the local forces in Batavia must have great opinions on him as the governor. After a long time of trouble, you are not one of your own, but you still sit on the board of directors, so it will be difficult for you to work in Batavia .
Does the power of the governor come from the board of directors who need two years of communication?Or did it come from the native Dutch in Batavia, who would not be able to govern without them?This is a problem.
"Uh... Lord Marquis, this... this question... I think, please ask Lord Marquis to discuss with the board of directors after he goes to Amsterdam? The policy here is not for us to decide. You should also know, Zelan The province, the province of Amsterdam, and the other five provinces are at odds over the issue itself."
He wanted to kick the ball, but Liu Yu didn't allow him to.
"However, your opinions are also very important. How to say, I am also an outsider. I represent the interests of the people of the Batavia Celestial Dynasty. You represent all the Dutch, mixed-race Dutch, and Chinese in Batavia. , Javanese, and Sundanese interests. The governor still needs to make a statement, so I can take the governor’s written statement and send it to Amsterdam.”
"After all, regarding Batavia's matter, the board of directors should also consider your attitude."
A simple sentence made the council and the Dutch in the military look at Valkenier.Of course Valknir knew what kind of expectations were contained in the gazes that focused on him.
But the more I look forward to it, the more I can't answer it.
Valkneer said in his heart that you and I are our own masters, business is business, how did I offend you, you want to cheat me like this?I didn't slaughter you Chinese, why do you have such a big opinion on me?
Seeing that the atmosphere in the Netherlands was a bit chaotic, Liu Yu just scratched the surface and said with a smile: "There is plenty of time. Before I leave Batavia, there are still a few months. We can talk slowly. But in our Before leaving, I hope that Batavia's council, the governor, will give a statement on this opinion."
"Of course, this matter is not only about the small Chinese bourgeois group in Batavia, but also about the rights and interests of Chinese who will continue to go to Batavia in the future. I heard that Batavia's policy towards the Chinese can be described as repeated. , Often the change of the governor requires a change of countermeasures.”
"From the very beginning, the boats coming to Banten must bring Chinese immigrants before they can enter Hong Kong, and they can also be exempted from taxes; to the current strict control of the number of Chinese coming to Pakistan, this period has been repeated countless times."
"But I heard that when there was no direct trade between China and the Netherlands in the previous dynasty, your attitude towards Chinese sea merchants was quite friendly. After you came, you not only treated guests to dinner, but the governor personally gave some gifts to the Chinese who came to Batavia. Captain, is there such a thing?"
A group of Dutch people could only nod helplessly. They were not an idiot who knew nothing about the outside world, nor an idiot who took the fantasies in his head as the truth. People, but after all, it is a fact that cannot be denied.
"That is to say, because Dashun opened up trade, your attitude towards the Chinese has changed drastically. You think that there is no need for Chinese sea merchants anyway, and you can directly purchase in Songjiang, Guangzhou and other places without fear, so you will treat Batavia There are many restrictions of the Chinese. You are a company, and what can affect your decision-making is of course profit."
"I think that China should change its trade policy and control the initiative of trade, so as to ensure your attitude towards Chinese immigrants."
"Therefore, I am suggesting that the imperial court follow the Spanish model and form a fleet for trade. The Chinese and Dutch fleets jointly patrol to combat any unauthorized smuggling. The trading fleet chartered by His Majesty the Son of Heaven controls the trade with the Netherlands. In Badawi Asian delivery."
"So, there are three benefits."
"First, revitalize Batavia's status as a transit port and ensure the interests of the small bourgeois class among the Chinese in Batavia."
"Secondly, control the initiative of trade as a supervision of your attitude towards the Chinese. For the company, the only thing that can convince them is profit. If you dare to harm the interests of the Chinese, I will cut off trade."
"Third, the attitude of the Celestial Dynasty. If you are allowed to trade, you can trade. It is given to you. If you are not allowed to trade, you cannot trade."
Valknir immediately retorted: "Master Marquis, your country has already started diplomacy, do you want your country to retreat?"
Liu Yu laughed and said, "That's a good point! Then, what is the principle of diplomacy? I just want to ask, can the merchant ships of Dashun go directly to Amsterdam for trade? Can they obtain all the conditions for Dutch ships at Songjiang Customs? "
"We couldn't go before, but sorry, we can go now."
After finishing speaking, he stood up ironically, bowed to the Dutch people and said: "Thank you, the Amsterdam Naval Academy in the Netherlands, for producing such excellent graduates as Bering. We have just completed the search and observation of the transit of Venus in the southern hemisphere." Point mission, also proved our ability to drive the ship to Amsterdam."
After ridiculing, Liu Yu smiled and said, "So, this unresolved issue must be resolved."
"If it can't be resolved, then the essence of this matter is unilateral opening? You can conduct direct trade in Songjiang, but we cannot conduct direct trade in Amsterdam."
"If it's diplomacy, then it is necessary to draw up the tariff rules for both sides. If not, then it can only be regarded as a gift from the Chinese emperor to the barbarians, and give you trade. This is a major matter of the national structure and system, not a small matter."
"We impose a 5.00% tariff on woolen and other textiles from ships coming to China from various countries. You should also only impose a 5.00% tariff on Chinese cotton textiles."
"We have learned what diplomacy is, but it seems that you have not learned it. Since this is the case, then I have to make it clear."
In fact, Dashun has not even broken the unequal treaty caused by nautical debts at this point.It's just that this unequal treaty is implicit, and Dashun's ships cannot sell goods in Amsterdam or London.It's not that you can't go, it's that you won't be allowed to sell it if you go, but you have nothing to do.
Valkner asked anxiously: "Could it be that your country will do the same to French products?"
Liu Yu said with a smile: "This has nothing to do with you, right? The tariff between China and France is a negotiation between China and France. We can decide as much as we like. What does it have to do with you?"
"Master Marquis, you are targeting the Netherlands and are biased against the Netherlands." Some commentators stood up and expressed their dissatisfaction loudly.
"Nonsense, when you robbed Zhoushan, Penghu, and Taiwan, did I have any prejudice? The French didn't do it, did they?" Liu Yu also admitted that, yes, I have prejudice against you.
"Master Marquis, the French are even more hateful. He didn't do it because his strength and influence in Southeast Asia prevented him from doing it, not because he didn't want to do it."
Liu Yu thought it was fucking nonsense, of course I know that the French "helped" draw the map of the country and steal Jingdezhen porcelain technology, which is much more serious than what you have done. If a crow was shot by France, it would directly know how to intercept the water transport up.
However, at this moment, he still spread his hands and said with a smile: "There is a saying in China that there is no heart to judge deeds. You can say that a eunuch also has the heart to rape women, but you can't condemn him because of his heart. So, there is no way, who told you to do it before?"
These words sounded reasonable on the Chinese side. Valkner quickly thought about the current situation in his mind, and could only sincerely apologize to Liu Yu for the sake of Fujian tea and Jiangxi porcelain.
"Master Marquis, this incident is indeed our fault. But we have already apologized before, what else do you want?"
"When the trade was resumed, it's not that your country didn't know about these things, and it's already let the past go. This can only be regarded as a misunderstanding caused by the lack of understanding between the East and the West. We are really only here for trade."
Liu Yu sighed and shook his head slightly.
"It's just that the performance of the Netherlands, which is also a Western country, is really unbelievable. Originally, the dynasty didn't care much about this matter, but someone brought up another matter, saying that your country has always been shameless."
"Three years before the Apocalypse, your country was in Nanyang and was in an alliance with the United Kingdom. They were all allies, but they suddenly broke the alliance and slaughtered many British people in Ambon. People who are killed by allies casually are indeed a country of robbers..."
Whoever mentioned it, Liu Yu didn't mention it by name.
However, all the Dutch people present cursed in their hearts almost at the same time.
Damn your ancestors, Brit!It’s just your uncle who has been fooled. An Wen just killed a few of you. When Cromwell came to power, he already forced the company to lose money. What else do you want?According to your instigation, we paid 30 dong for killing a dozen of you. How much did we have to pay for killing thousands of Chinese in Penghu and Taiwan?
(End of this chapter)
This proposal is not only ecstatic for the members of the council, but if it is spread outside, the Chinese community in the south of the city will also be ecstatic.
Liu Yu said that in the four towns of Anxi, Batavia may become an empty shell, which is another reverse interpretation of the ecstasy of these people.
The game between local interests and overall interests is not uncommon in history, especially in Southeast Asia and even Fujian and Guangdong after the fall of the Ming Dynasty.
Historically, Shi Lang, who caused Liu Yu to kill Shi Lang who did not want to wear the title of "Marquis of Jinghai", once planned to use the relationship between Taiwan and Britain and the Netherlands to complete the ambition of transferring the foreign trade center from Guangdong to Fujian; A series of games involving the foreign monopoly of the Customs and the Guangzhou Thirteen Banks.
The purpose of these local forces is clear and simple.money.
In fact, what Liu Yu did before was similar. It was tantamount to moving the foreign trade center from south to north to Songjiang, siding with Jiangsu and Zhejiang capital, or standing with the Yangtze River waterway and the cities on both sides of the waterway. side.The Pearl River Basin is still too small.
To some extent, the decline of Macao's trade in recent years, the prevalence of underworld and gangs, and the smuggling of people to trade slave labor have become the mainstay of the economy. These few big scapegoats can actually be pinned on Liu Yu's head.
He used the game of local and overall interests to talk about this matter, but he didn't mean to drink.
After all, Valkenier is also a governor. Although he has to take care of local forces, his governor was airborne by the committee, and he will return to the Netherlands in the future.
Liu Yu made such a move, which made Valkner wonder if he had offended Liu Yu in private?Did the two have a personal feud?
It is definitely impossible for me to agree to Liu Yu's request, even if I have no power to make decisions for the 17-member board of directors, even if the China Trade Commission and the Batavia government are parallel organizations and not subordinate organizations, even if he agrees or disagrees, it is useless. Once Liu Yu said this, he had to make a statement.
Supporting Liu Yu, the local forces in Batavia will be more loyal and supportive of him, but the board of directors will feel that he is on the side of the local area and will definitely transfer him back.
Against Liu Yu, the local forces in Batavia must have great opinions on him as the governor. After a long time of trouble, you are not one of your own, but you still sit on the board of directors, so it will be difficult for you to work in Batavia .
Does the power of the governor come from the board of directors who need two years of communication?Or did it come from the native Dutch in Batavia, who would not be able to govern without them?This is a problem.
"Uh... Lord Marquis, this... this question... I think, please ask Lord Marquis to discuss with the board of directors after he goes to Amsterdam? The policy here is not for us to decide. You should also know, Zelan The province, the province of Amsterdam, and the other five provinces are at odds over the issue itself."
He wanted to kick the ball, but Liu Yu didn't allow him to.
"However, your opinions are also very important. How to say, I am also an outsider. I represent the interests of the people of the Batavia Celestial Dynasty. You represent all the Dutch, mixed-race Dutch, and Chinese in Batavia. , Javanese, and Sundanese interests. The governor still needs to make a statement, so I can take the governor’s written statement and send it to Amsterdam.”
"After all, regarding Batavia's matter, the board of directors should also consider your attitude."
A simple sentence made the council and the Dutch in the military look at Valkenier.Of course Valknir knew what kind of expectations were contained in the gazes that focused on him.
But the more I look forward to it, the more I can't answer it.
Valkneer said in his heart that you and I are our own masters, business is business, how did I offend you, you want to cheat me like this?I didn't slaughter you Chinese, why do you have such a big opinion on me?
Seeing that the atmosphere in the Netherlands was a bit chaotic, Liu Yu just scratched the surface and said with a smile: "There is plenty of time. Before I leave Batavia, there are still a few months. We can talk slowly. But in our Before leaving, I hope that Batavia's council, the governor, will give a statement on this opinion."
"Of course, this matter is not only about the small Chinese bourgeois group in Batavia, but also about the rights and interests of Chinese who will continue to go to Batavia in the future. I heard that Batavia's policy towards the Chinese can be described as repeated. , Often the change of the governor requires a change of countermeasures.”
"From the very beginning, the boats coming to Banten must bring Chinese immigrants before they can enter Hong Kong, and they can also be exempted from taxes; to the current strict control of the number of Chinese coming to Pakistan, this period has been repeated countless times."
"But I heard that when there was no direct trade between China and the Netherlands in the previous dynasty, your attitude towards Chinese sea merchants was quite friendly. After you came, you not only treated guests to dinner, but the governor personally gave some gifts to the Chinese who came to Batavia. Captain, is there such a thing?"
A group of Dutch people could only nod helplessly. They were not an idiot who knew nothing about the outside world, nor an idiot who took the fantasies in his head as the truth. People, but after all, it is a fact that cannot be denied.
"That is to say, because Dashun opened up trade, your attitude towards the Chinese has changed drastically. You think that there is no need for Chinese sea merchants anyway, and you can directly purchase in Songjiang, Guangzhou and other places without fear, so you will treat Batavia There are many restrictions of the Chinese. You are a company, and what can affect your decision-making is of course profit."
"I think that China should change its trade policy and control the initiative of trade, so as to ensure your attitude towards Chinese immigrants."
"Therefore, I am suggesting that the imperial court follow the Spanish model and form a fleet for trade. The Chinese and Dutch fleets jointly patrol to combat any unauthorized smuggling. The trading fleet chartered by His Majesty the Son of Heaven controls the trade with the Netherlands. In Badawi Asian delivery."
"So, there are three benefits."
"First, revitalize Batavia's status as a transit port and ensure the interests of the small bourgeois class among the Chinese in Batavia."
"Secondly, control the initiative of trade as a supervision of your attitude towards the Chinese. For the company, the only thing that can convince them is profit. If you dare to harm the interests of the Chinese, I will cut off trade."
"Third, the attitude of the Celestial Dynasty. If you are allowed to trade, you can trade. It is given to you. If you are not allowed to trade, you cannot trade."
Valknir immediately retorted: "Master Marquis, your country has already started diplomacy, do you want your country to retreat?"
Liu Yu laughed and said, "That's a good point! Then, what is the principle of diplomacy? I just want to ask, can the merchant ships of Dashun go directly to Amsterdam for trade? Can they obtain all the conditions for Dutch ships at Songjiang Customs? "
"We couldn't go before, but sorry, we can go now."
After finishing speaking, he stood up ironically, bowed to the Dutch people and said: "Thank you, the Amsterdam Naval Academy in the Netherlands, for producing such excellent graduates as Bering. We have just completed the search and observation of the transit of Venus in the southern hemisphere." Point mission, also proved our ability to drive the ship to Amsterdam."
After ridiculing, Liu Yu smiled and said, "So, this unresolved issue must be resolved."
"If it can't be resolved, then the essence of this matter is unilateral opening? You can conduct direct trade in Songjiang, but we cannot conduct direct trade in Amsterdam."
"If it's diplomacy, then it is necessary to draw up the tariff rules for both sides. If not, then it can only be regarded as a gift from the Chinese emperor to the barbarians, and give you trade. This is a major matter of the national structure and system, not a small matter."
"We impose a 5.00% tariff on woolen and other textiles from ships coming to China from various countries. You should also only impose a 5.00% tariff on Chinese cotton textiles."
"We have learned what diplomacy is, but it seems that you have not learned it. Since this is the case, then I have to make it clear."
In fact, Dashun has not even broken the unequal treaty caused by nautical debts at this point.It's just that this unequal treaty is implicit, and Dashun's ships cannot sell goods in Amsterdam or London.It's not that you can't go, it's that you won't be allowed to sell it if you go, but you have nothing to do.
Valkner asked anxiously: "Could it be that your country will do the same to French products?"
Liu Yu said with a smile: "This has nothing to do with you, right? The tariff between China and France is a negotiation between China and France. We can decide as much as we like. What does it have to do with you?"
"Master Marquis, you are targeting the Netherlands and are biased against the Netherlands." Some commentators stood up and expressed their dissatisfaction loudly.
"Nonsense, when you robbed Zhoushan, Penghu, and Taiwan, did I have any prejudice? The French didn't do it, did they?" Liu Yu also admitted that, yes, I have prejudice against you.
"Master Marquis, the French are even more hateful. He didn't do it because his strength and influence in Southeast Asia prevented him from doing it, not because he didn't want to do it."
Liu Yu thought it was fucking nonsense, of course I know that the French "helped" draw the map of the country and steal Jingdezhen porcelain technology, which is much more serious than what you have done. If a crow was shot by France, it would directly know how to intercept the water transport up.
However, at this moment, he still spread his hands and said with a smile: "There is a saying in China that there is no heart to judge deeds. You can say that a eunuch also has the heart to rape women, but you can't condemn him because of his heart. So, there is no way, who told you to do it before?"
These words sounded reasonable on the Chinese side. Valkner quickly thought about the current situation in his mind, and could only sincerely apologize to Liu Yu for the sake of Fujian tea and Jiangxi porcelain.
"Master Marquis, this incident is indeed our fault. But we have already apologized before, what else do you want?"
"When the trade was resumed, it's not that your country didn't know about these things, and it's already let the past go. This can only be regarded as a misunderstanding caused by the lack of understanding between the East and the West. We are really only here for trade."
Liu Yu sighed and shook his head slightly.
"It's just that the performance of the Netherlands, which is also a Western country, is really unbelievable. Originally, the dynasty didn't care much about this matter, but someone brought up another matter, saying that your country has always been shameless."
"Three years before the Apocalypse, your country was in Nanyang and was in an alliance with the United Kingdom. They were all allies, but they suddenly broke the alliance and slaughtered many British people in Ambon. People who are killed by allies casually are indeed a country of robbers..."
Whoever mentioned it, Liu Yu didn't mention it by name.
However, all the Dutch people present cursed in their hearts almost at the same time.
Damn your ancestors, Brit!It’s just your uncle who has been fooled. An Wen just killed a few of you. When Cromwell came to power, he already forced the company to lose money. What else do you want?According to your instigation, we paid 30 dong for killing a dozen of you. How much did we have to pay for killing thousands of Chinese in Penghu and Taiwan?
(End of this chapter)
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