Xinshun 1730
Chapter 661 Adversarial and Non-Confrontational Contradictions
Chapter 661 Adversarial and Non-Confrontational Contradictions
"Please speak."
"I want to say that there is a possibility of cooperation between us. I admire them very much for their ability to give Spain loans during the 80 Years War, and also very much agree with the sale of arms and food to France during the Franco-Dutch War. This is true. The spirit of free trade is the real freedom of capital! And this is what I have been longing to pursue in Europe. The industrial cost of the country is so high, why not invest in the country is a traitor? I think those guild craftsmen and factory owners are There is no spirit of free trade at all... Capital is profit-seeking, you should continue to invest abroad. I heard that war is about to start, and they bought another 300 million guilders of French national debt?"
These words made Anthony twitch his cheeks involuntarily. He couldn't tell if Liu Yu was speaking the truth?Or sarcasm?
But looking at Liu Yu's facial expression, it was very solemn, and it didn't look like sarcasm.
"Our Chinese sages have a saying called 'the unity of knowledge and action', which translates to the meaning of knowing the theory and approving the theory, and then practicing it...Since I approve of free trade, of course I must implement free trade..."
Kang Buchi who was on the side listened to Liu Yu's nonsense, and couldn't help laughing secretly, and Mr. Xindao was deliberately misinterpreting it again, taking the meaning out of words.
Young Master, Young Master, you think you are a Da Shun person, but in fact you are not a Da Shun person at all.
The unity of knowledge and action does not mean the combination of theory and practice as you often say, my son. Knowledge is conscience. This conscience is not the conscience in today's vernacular, but comes from Mencius's "He who knows without thinking, his conscience is also" , and looking deeper, it is derived from "human nature is inherently good".
Because "human nature is inherently good, so the thoughts of nature are conscience; thoughts of nature are conscience, so human nature is good."This is a complete circle.
Young master, you don't even believe in the inherent goodness of human nature, how dare you talk about the unity of knowledge and action?If nature is not inherently good and inherently knowing, how can there be conscience that knows without thinking?Mr. Yangming told the story about the thief who didn’t take off his pants. He stopped in Africa on this trip, and he saw a lot of naked ones. It can be seen that it is pure nonsense to know without thinking.You are really misinterpreting the original intention of the sages and making up random things.That is to say, in the Netherlands, if you talk about linking theory with practice in the Celestial Dynasty, you must be scolded to death for your ignorance and incompetence.
Liu Yu didn't care.Anyway, there was a lot of nonsense, so he opened his mouth, and then exported to Anthony, talking about a lot of benefits of free trade.
In the end, Anthony didn't believe that Liu Yu believed in this thing even more.
According to his observation, nothing that Liu Yu supports is beneficial to the Netherlands; but anything Liu Yu opposes is mostly beneficial to the Netherlands.
The question now is whether Liu Yu knows that Russia is pro-British and anti-Prussian, and that Prussia withdrew from the war?
If you know, then it's a big deal.Such a big conspiracy must be holding back some bad thoughts.If they don't know, the Dutch side can feel complacent, thinking that Liu Yu is shooting himself in the foot.
"Master Marquis, it is useless for you to tell me these things now. I have resigned from the position of the Great Speaker, and now the formulation of policies requires the consent of the consul of the Orange family. I want to know, what is your opinion of the East India Company? What do you think about trade with China?"
Liu Yu asked back: "Are you willing to trade?"
"Of course!"
Anthony hastily replied, "Isn't this nonsense?"
Tributary trade is much more inconvenient than before.
But it's better than nothing, right?Today is not the end of the Ming Dynasty a hundred years ago. It is impossible to support pirates to engage in private plundering, because it is no longer competing with Manila, but competing with a large number of East India companies in Europe.
Britain also supported the rebel army in Java, and the East India Company has been hiding this.
If it is made public, coupled with the banning of trade with Japan, the possible interruption of trade with China, and the anti-Dutch uprising in Java... the stock price of the East India Company will plunge?The East India Company's equity, loans, loans, and nearly 60.00% of the Dutch joint-stock company really don't want to cut off trade.
If Dashun really cut off the trade, it would be painful for at most two years, and after two years, the share that originally belonged to the Netherlands would be divided up by other countries.But the Netherlands has not been in pain for two years, but a channel that has been developed after a hundred years, and it will be completely finished.
Liu Yu smiled, snapped his fingers and said: "Well, as you said, I will take revenge on those who should take revenge, and I will also make him unhappy for the rest of his life. What I have done is almost the same , You killed tens of thousands of people and spent 80 million silver coins, so I feel a little better."
"You can send them a message. Regarding the trade, let the people sent by your parliament follow me to the capital, and we will talk about it. As for the Orange faction, I also know his difficulties. It’s not good to show weakness at this time. You can spread a message and ask them to secretly send someone to pay tribute to the Celestial Court, and when you come back, you can deceive the people as much as you want.”
"On the face of it, if I want to act like an iron bone and drive us away, I don't hold any grudges. The main thing is that if I have told me in advance, greeted me, and given me face in private, I will not make trouble for nothing, yes Bar?"
"The Celestial Dynasty needs to let the common people see that the Celestial Dynasty is still the Celestial Dynasty, and the Netherlands needs to let the common people see that the Netherlands is not a tributary state. Isn't it beautiful that we each get what we need?"
As for this, Anthony was even more incomprehensible.
What is Liu Yu trying to figure out?
Generally speaking, Liu Yu has no credibility in the Dutch political arena.
This person is a concrete interpretation of negative words such as cunning, despicable, shameless, treachery, and bullying.
However, at this time, what Liu Yu said was the result most wanted by Dutch politicians.
Although he is ignorant, after all, Anthony has been the Speaker of the House of Representatives for so many years, and he has also been on the national stage. He vaguely knows one thing, that is, "If the enemy supports it, we must oppose it; if the enemy opposes it, we must support it."
Especially when you can't see through what the "enemy" wants to do and can't guess the enemy's real purpose, it is often right to do so.
Anthony looked at Liu Yu with a calm expression, and made a judgment in his heart: Liu Yu, is he an enemy?
After 5 minutes without speaking, after carefully weighing and recalling everything Liu Yu had done, the former Great Speaker came to a conclusion: Yes, Liu Yu is definitely an enemy.
However, knowing that the enemy may be holding back something bad or not holding back something good, the conditions put forward by the enemy are really sweet.
It can not only not terminate the trade with China, but also prevent the Orange faction from having to oppose China due to populist sentiment. It is beneficial to the overall interests of the Netherlands and the big business class represented by Anthony.
To deceive the common people, it is good to have an explanation.Anyway, the Netherlands is so far away from Dashun, how many Dutch people who are shouting happily at this time can actually go to Dashun to see the real situation?As long as you grasp public opinion, you can continue to deceive.
"Lord Marquis, with all due respect, I have to be extremely cautious about your words, every word and every suggestion you make. I always feel that there is some kind of trap hidden here."
Liu Yu smiled and said, "It's up to you to believe it or not. You don't have to accept it, right? I'm just making a suggestion, and besides, you're not the Great Speaker—of course, it's useless when you are the Great Speaker. The Great Speaker, who has held meetings for a year without any results, hehehehehe -- so I am not bewitching at all, otherwise wouldn't it be a waste of time to be bewitched by you?"
The truth is true, but Anthony is even more unable to see through.It was really impossible for him to think that Liu Yu's ultimate goal was to break the VOC into a comprador. This time, he insisted on dragging the Netherlands into the war. It was to kill people with a knife, and to clean up the "patriots" in the Netherlands with the help of France.
Without considering that Liu Yu wants to break VOC into a comprador, it is impossible to understand Dashun's step-by-step actions.
Even in later generations, the vast majority of people feel that everything is settled by going to Nanyang and defeating the East India Company.So many years of education and knowledge in later generations are all of this kind of thinking, let alone the current former speaker of the Netherlands.
It is wrong to emphasize the past and underestimate the present.For any graduate of science and engineering in the future, when he gets the Galileo era, if he says that he is not as good as Galileo in some common sense issues, it is not modesty, it is an insult to the 400 years of human development.
At this time, the Speaker of the Dutch House of Representatives was regarded as a top figure in the Netherlands, but he had no basic political and economic education and was born in a wild family, so he couldn't understand Liu Yu's various actions at all.He can neither understand the subordination relationship between commercial capital and industrial capital, nor can he understand the transformation of antagonistic contradictions and non-antagonistic contradictions.
In the end, all that was left was doubts and doubts, and instinctively felt that there was a conspiracy in Liu Yu's suggestion, but he didn't know what the conspiracy was.
After a long silence, Anthony said: "Master Marquis, your suggestion is like the apple of the Garden of Eden. It sounds very tempting, but because of our belief, we know that there must be some danger hidden in this delicious fruit. You are like the apple of the Garden of Eden." That snake is tempting us to sin little by little."
"However, we are humans after all, the descendants of Adam and Eve, so... I don't think we can refuse the temptation of that poisonous snake."
"I will pass on your suggestion."
"But I must also tell you. You will neither be allowed to start a newspaper nor speak in public until you leave Holland."
"We will cut off any avenues for you to demagogue the Dutch people."
"Please forgive me, because of your shamelessness, cunning and treachery, we have to guard against you."
Liu Yu nodded, thinking that I've finished my business, it's too late for you to stop me now.
"Okay, I see. So, put on a show for the common people, and I'll be leaving Amsterdam soon."
"However, I hope that your Excellency, the former Great Speaker, can go to the Celestial Dynasty together. Anyway, you have to quit the political arena now, and there is no chance of making a comeback. Even if the Orange faction makes the people dissatisfied in the future, the people will not push you away again. Go up. I can save you a seat on the boat, if you will."
Since Anthony is a former leader of the parliamentary faction and a representative of the big merchant class, it is a suitable communication bridge.
When it came time for Dashun to go to Nanyang, we still had to talk to him about the terms of negotiations with the Netherlands in the future, and let him check it out.
Communication is not easy, Liu Yu hopes that a top diplomatic talent from the Netherlands can go directly to Dashun, and directly reach a real cooperation treaty acceptable to the Netherlands.
Anthony, who has lost power, is undoubtedly the best candidate.
Just as Kang Buxio felt that Liu Yu was not from Dashun at all.Of course, Liu Yu is not Dutch, and there is a big difference in the way of thinking. Some things that he thinks are very rational and natural may not be understood by the Dutch. We still need some top talents who represent the way of thinking in the Netherlands at this time to check .
Anthony was not asked to sign the "traitorous treaty", he is not qualified.Just let Anthony see if this "traitorous treaty" can be passed.
This proposal really moved Anthony quite a bit.
As a political figure, his road has come to an end.As Liu Yu said, no matter how bad the Orange faction does in the future, the people may elect someone else, but they will definitely not push him back.
In politics, his life is not easy.If you want to wear the crown, you must bear the weight. In the position of the Great Speaker, sometimes you still have to fight for something for the overall interests of the Netherlands, which in turn deepens the contradiction between him and the big businessmen and oligarchs who are the foundation of his ruling. .
Now that the "crown" has been removed, he is no longer the Great Speaker of the United Provinces, but a famous businessman, a family of merchants, and East India Company shareholder Anthony. On the contrary, he can really do something for his own interest group.
Going to Dashun this time seems to be an excellent opportunity to completely solve the East India Company's problems. Even if there is no chance to revive the political arena, if you get the trust and gratitude of the interest groups you belong to, future generations will still have the opportunity to embark on the journey. Political.
Back then, John DeWitt was hanged, cut alive, sold and eaten by angry people.But isn't his grandson still the Great Speaker?
As long as they can fight for the interests of the interest group to which they belong, the family will be stable.Anthony thought to himself that he had been the speaker for too long, and he had been very unhappy with his base because of the centralization of power, and now it was time to "make up for it".
(End of this chapter)
"Please speak."
"I want to say that there is a possibility of cooperation between us. I admire them very much for their ability to give Spain loans during the 80 Years War, and also very much agree with the sale of arms and food to France during the Franco-Dutch War. This is true. The spirit of free trade is the real freedom of capital! And this is what I have been longing to pursue in Europe. The industrial cost of the country is so high, why not invest in the country is a traitor? I think those guild craftsmen and factory owners are There is no spirit of free trade at all... Capital is profit-seeking, you should continue to invest abroad. I heard that war is about to start, and they bought another 300 million guilders of French national debt?"
These words made Anthony twitch his cheeks involuntarily. He couldn't tell if Liu Yu was speaking the truth?Or sarcasm?
But looking at Liu Yu's facial expression, it was very solemn, and it didn't look like sarcasm.
"Our Chinese sages have a saying called 'the unity of knowledge and action', which translates to the meaning of knowing the theory and approving the theory, and then practicing it...Since I approve of free trade, of course I must implement free trade..."
Kang Buchi who was on the side listened to Liu Yu's nonsense, and couldn't help laughing secretly, and Mr. Xindao was deliberately misinterpreting it again, taking the meaning out of words.
Young Master, Young Master, you think you are a Da Shun person, but in fact you are not a Da Shun person at all.
The unity of knowledge and action does not mean the combination of theory and practice as you often say, my son. Knowledge is conscience. This conscience is not the conscience in today's vernacular, but comes from Mencius's "He who knows without thinking, his conscience is also" , and looking deeper, it is derived from "human nature is inherently good".
Because "human nature is inherently good, so the thoughts of nature are conscience; thoughts of nature are conscience, so human nature is good."This is a complete circle.
Young master, you don't even believe in the inherent goodness of human nature, how dare you talk about the unity of knowledge and action?If nature is not inherently good and inherently knowing, how can there be conscience that knows without thinking?Mr. Yangming told the story about the thief who didn’t take off his pants. He stopped in Africa on this trip, and he saw a lot of naked ones. It can be seen that it is pure nonsense to know without thinking.You are really misinterpreting the original intention of the sages and making up random things.That is to say, in the Netherlands, if you talk about linking theory with practice in the Celestial Dynasty, you must be scolded to death for your ignorance and incompetence.
Liu Yu didn't care.Anyway, there was a lot of nonsense, so he opened his mouth, and then exported to Anthony, talking about a lot of benefits of free trade.
In the end, Anthony didn't believe that Liu Yu believed in this thing even more.
According to his observation, nothing that Liu Yu supports is beneficial to the Netherlands; but anything Liu Yu opposes is mostly beneficial to the Netherlands.
The question now is whether Liu Yu knows that Russia is pro-British and anti-Prussian, and that Prussia withdrew from the war?
If you know, then it's a big deal.Such a big conspiracy must be holding back some bad thoughts.If they don't know, the Dutch side can feel complacent, thinking that Liu Yu is shooting himself in the foot.
"Master Marquis, it is useless for you to tell me these things now. I have resigned from the position of the Great Speaker, and now the formulation of policies requires the consent of the consul of the Orange family. I want to know, what is your opinion of the East India Company? What do you think about trade with China?"
Liu Yu asked back: "Are you willing to trade?"
"Of course!"
Anthony hastily replied, "Isn't this nonsense?"
Tributary trade is much more inconvenient than before.
But it's better than nothing, right?Today is not the end of the Ming Dynasty a hundred years ago. It is impossible to support pirates to engage in private plundering, because it is no longer competing with Manila, but competing with a large number of East India companies in Europe.
Britain also supported the rebel army in Java, and the East India Company has been hiding this.
If it is made public, coupled with the banning of trade with Japan, the possible interruption of trade with China, and the anti-Dutch uprising in Java... the stock price of the East India Company will plunge?The East India Company's equity, loans, loans, and nearly 60.00% of the Dutch joint-stock company really don't want to cut off trade.
If Dashun really cut off the trade, it would be painful for at most two years, and after two years, the share that originally belonged to the Netherlands would be divided up by other countries.But the Netherlands has not been in pain for two years, but a channel that has been developed after a hundred years, and it will be completely finished.
Liu Yu smiled, snapped his fingers and said: "Well, as you said, I will take revenge on those who should take revenge, and I will also make him unhappy for the rest of his life. What I have done is almost the same , You killed tens of thousands of people and spent 80 million silver coins, so I feel a little better."
"You can send them a message. Regarding the trade, let the people sent by your parliament follow me to the capital, and we will talk about it. As for the Orange faction, I also know his difficulties. It’s not good to show weakness at this time. You can spread a message and ask them to secretly send someone to pay tribute to the Celestial Court, and when you come back, you can deceive the people as much as you want.”
"On the face of it, if I want to act like an iron bone and drive us away, I don't hold any grudges. The main thing is that if I have told me in advance, greeted me, and given me face in private, I will not make trouble for nothing, yes Bar?"
"The Celestial Dynasty needs to let the common people see that the Celestial Dynasty is still the Celestial Dynasty, and the Netherlands needs to let the common people see that the Netherlands is not a tributary state. Isn't it beautiful that we each get what we need?"
As for this, Anthony was even more incomprehensible.
What is Liu Yu trying to figure out?
Generally speaking, Liu Yu has no credibility in the Dutch political arena.
This person is a concrete interpretation of negative words such as cunning, despicable, shameless, treachery, and bullying.
However, at this time, what Liu Yu said was the result most wanted by Dutch politicians.
Although he is ignorant, after all, Anthony has been the Speaker of the House of Representatives for so many years, and he has also been on the national stage. He vaguely knows one thing, that is, "If the enemy supports it, we must oppose it; if the enemy opposes it, we must support it."
Especially when you can't see through what the "enemy" wants to do and can't guess the enemy's real purpose, it is often right to do so.
Anthony looked at Liu Yu with a calm expression, and made a judgment in his heart: Liu Yu, is he an enemy?
After 5 minutes without speaking, after carefully weighing and recalling everything Liu Yu had done, the former Great Speaker came to a conclusion: Yes, Liu Yu is definitely an enemy.
However, knowing that the enemy may be holding back something bad or not holding back something good, the conditions put forward by the enemy are really sweet.
It can not only not terminate the trade with China, but also prevent the Orange faction from having to oppose China due to populist sentiment. It is beneficial to the overall interests of the Netherlands and the big business class represented by Anthony.
To deceive the common people, it is good to have an explanation.Anyway, the Netherlands is so far away from Dashun, how many Dutch people who are shouting happily at this time can actually go to Dashun to see the real situation?As long as you grasp public opinion, you can continue to deceive.
"Lord Marquis, with all due respect, I have to be extremely cautious about your words, every word and every suggestion you make. I always feel that there is some kind of trap hidden here."
Liu Yu smiled and said, "It's up to you to believe it or not. You don't have to accept it, right? I'm just making a suggestion, and besides, you're not the Great Speaker—of course, it's useless when you are the Great Speaker. The Great Speaker, who has held meetings for a year without any results, hehehehehe -- so I am not bewitching at all, otherwise wouldn't it be a waste of time to be bewitched by you?"
The truth is true, but Anthony is even more unable to see through.It was really impossible for him to think that Liu Yu's ultimate goal was to break the VOC into a comprador. This time, he insisted on dragging the Netherlands into the war. It was to kill people with a knife, and to clean up the "patriots" in the Netherlands with the help of France.
Without considering that Liu Yu wants to break VOC into a comprador, it is impossible to understand Dashun's step-by-step actions.
Even in later generations, the vast majority of people feel that everything is settled by going to Nanyang and defeating the East India Company.So many years of education and knowledge in later generations are all of this kind of thinking, let alone the current former speaker of the Netherlands.
It is wrong to emphasize the past and underestimate the present.For any graduate of science and engineering in the future, when he gets the Galileo era, if he says that he is not as good as Galileo in some common sense issues, it is not modesty, it is an insult to the 400 years of human development.
At this time, the Speaker of the Dutch House of Representatives was regarded as a top figure in the Netherlands, but he had no basic political and economic education and was born in a wild family, so he couldn't understand Liu Yu's various actions at all.He can neither understand the subordination relationship between commercial capital and industrial capital, nor can he understand the transformation of antagonistic contradictions and non-antagonistic contradictions.
In the end, all that was left was doubts and doubts, and instinctively felt that there was a conspiracy in Liu Yu's suggestion, but he didn't know what the conspiracy was.
After a long silence, Anthony said: "Master Marquis, your suggestion is like the apple of the Garden of Eden. It sounds very tempting, but because of our belief, we know that there must be some danger hidden in this delicious fruit. You are like the apple of the Garden of Eden." That snake is tempting us to sin little by little."
"However, we are humans after all, the descendants of Adam and Eve, so... I don't think we can refuse the temptation of that poisonous snake."
"I will pass on your suggestion."
"But I must also tell you. You will neither be allowed to start a newspaper nor speak in public until you leave Holland."
"We will cut off any avenues for you to demagogue the Dutch people."
"Please forgive me, because of your shamelessness, cunning and treachery, we have to guard against you."
Liu Yu nodded, thinking that I've finished my business, it's too late for you to stop me now.
"Okay, I see. So, put on a show for the common people, and I'll be leaving Amsterdam soon."
"However, I hope that your Excellency, the former Great Speaker, can go to the Celestial Dynasty together. Anyway, you have to quit the political arena now, and there is no chance of making a comeback. Even if the Orange faction makes the people dissatisfied in the future, the people will not push you away again. Go up. I can save you a seat on the boat, if you will."
Since Anthony is a former leader of the parliamentary faction and a representative of the big merchant class, it is a suitable communication bridge.
When it came time for Dashun to go to Nanyang, we still had to talk to him about the terms of negotiations with the Netherlands in the future, and let him check it out.
Communication is not easy, Liu Yu hopes that a top diplomatic talent from the Netherlands can go directly to Dashun, and directly reach a real cooperation treaty acceptable to the Netherlands.
Anthony, who has lost power, is undoubtedly the best candidate.
Just as Kang Buxio felt that Liu Yu was not from Dashun at all.Of course, Liu Yu is not Dutch, and there is a big difference in the way of thinking. Some things that he thinks are very rational and natural may not be understood by the Dutch. We still need some top talents who represent the way of thinking in the Netherlands at this time to check .
Anthony was not asked to sign the "traitorous treaty", he is not qualified.Just let Anthony see if this "traitorous treaty" can be passed.
This proposal really moved Anthony quite a bit.
As a political figure, his road has come to an end.As Liu Yu said, no matter how bad the Orange faction does in the future, the people may elect someone else, but they will definitely not push him back.
In politics, his life is not easy.If you want to wear the crown, you must bear the weight. In the position of the Great Speaker, sometimes you still have to fight for something for the overall interests of the Netherlands, which in turn deepens the contradiction between him and the big businessmen and oligarchs who are the foundation of his ruling. .
Now that the "crown" has been removed, he is no longer the Great Speaker of the United Provinces, but a famous businessman, a family of merchants, and East India Company shareholder Anthony. On the contrary, he can really do something for his own interest group.
Going to Dashun this time seems to be an excellent opportunity to completely solve the East India Company's problems. Even if there is no chance to revive the political arena, if you get the trust and gratitude of the interest groups you belong to, future generations will still have the opportunity to embark on the journey. Political.
Back then, John DeWitt was hanged, cut alive, sold and eaten by angry people.But isn't his grandson still the Great Speaker?
As long as they can fight for the interests of the interest group to which they belong, the family will be stable.Anthony thought to himself that he had been the speaker for too long, and he had been very unhappy with his base because of the centralization of power, and now it was time to "make up for it".
(End of this chapter)
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