Xinshun 1730
Chapter 721 Because of lack of ability
Chapter 721 Because of lack of ability
The internal market potential of Dashun is huge.
But one premise is to disintegrate the small peasant economy, or to complete the land reform, even if it is the variant well field system envisaged by the ancient Confucian schools such as Yan Xizhai and Li Gangzhu.
Otherwise, the vast majority of people either don’t have much spending power, and it’s good to be alive; or they are self-sufficient, and they can spin basic cloth clothes for their own use.
Otherwise, Dashun has nearly a quarter of the world's population, and Liu Yu doesn't have to search for European and American markets.
According to Niu Er, who is fat?
Coffee and spices are all for the European market.With such a big piece of cake, the emperor could eat a big bite, and the nobles also ate some, and the rest were those big businessmen.
If they are fattened up, they can earn money while lying down, I'm afraid they will look like the Netherlands.
Commercial capital should be subordinate to industrial capital, otherwise it cannot promote change.
Just like in the Gyeonggi area of Shaanxi, Shanxi, the businessmen who have made a fortune facing Mongolia in recent years, they have strong capital, but they neither want to mine coal, nor do they want to engage in wool textiles, but lend usury and hoard land.
Moreover, the bulk of Nanyang's commercial profits must be eaten by the emperor and nobles.
In fact, in Liu Yu's view, eating something is enough, and it is best to make Nanyang a huge consumer market.
Carry out a violent and rapid land reform modeled on the Javanese land reform that was conceived by the British in history but never implemented.
Firstly, Dashun, as an outsider, doesn't need to consider the attitude of the local wealthy and feudal aristocrats, kill them.In Dashun, I absolutely dare not.
Second, in fact, directly linking the labor of farmers to their income can greatly promote production efficiency.You can make less money and lower prices, so that farmers can make money, and they will naturally grow coffee, rice, and indigo for the market.
The third is to disintegrate the local primitive economy and the village land system, making Nanyang have millions of people with a certain consumption capacity.Selling cotton cloth, glass, ironware, etc. can definitely promote the development of Dashun industry.
They all say primitive accumulation. Take the Netherlands as an example. They have accumulated enough, but the result of excessive accumulation is that commercial capital crushes industrial capital.
And is Dashun short of money?From the silver black hole in the Ming Dynasty, silver mines in America, Japan, and Austria, a large amount of silver flowed into Dashun.Dashun's wealthy businessmen, do they lack the start-up funds for industrial development?Are there a large number of landless peasants who have flowed into the cities?
What is missing is not these, but the market.
Primitive accumulation has been completed by sitting at home since the mid-Ming Dynasty; Dashun does not need to engage in the land enclosure movement, will Dashun lack cheap labor?Britain has engaged in a land enclosure movement for 100 years, forcing the absolute number of farmers who lost their land to buy land as much as the landlords after the Yellow River flood?
No matter how rich a village head in Java is, he only wears a suit of clothes, sets a table of porcelain, and uses an iron pot.They have spending power, but their number is too small to support a huge market.
One of the so-called dual missions of the colonists was to transform the colony according to the needs of the mother country.Shred everything old and replace it with new,
Putting it in Nanyang, that is to say, what is the demand of Dashun?Or to go further, what does Dashun want to become?
In the Netherlands, commercial capital has completely killed industrial capital, so the Netherlands hopes to transform Java into a pure commodity producing area.
But how many birds are there in the Netherlands?One Amsterdam Stock Exchange, one East India Company, and one West India Company are enough to make the Netherlands rich.
The most likely reason for Dashun to do this is that the money earned from doing business is useless. They have to buy land or lend money.
Investing in plantations and the like, the market for spices and cane sugar has become saturated; the prerequisite for large-scale cotton planting is the development of the textile industry. In fact, after acquiring Nanyang, Dashun will not be able to use up the cotton produced by the old system in India for the time being. .
Capital must be directed towards industry.The profit-seeking nature of capital makes it a major premise that investment in industry must make money; Dashun’s special national conditions make it no problem for industry to make money, but before the capital grows, it cannot cause a huge impact on Dashun’s internal small-scale peasant economy.
Then we can only find the external market.
Liu Yu did not directly deny Niu Er's statement, he also knew that his idea was quite difficult to implement, much bigger than Niu Er's idea.
So he asked as calmly as possible: "Isn't it good that you have made a policy in the Brian'an area? Before that, you couldn't trade with the Dutch, and the Dutch monopolized the trade, so the people are self-sufficient in growing food and so on. "
"Now the imperial court has replaced the Dutch. With your land policy in the volcanic area, farmers can grow whatever they want. They can grow whatever makes money. Basically, it doesn't affect us to sell goods to Europa to make money."
Niu Er nodded, then shook his head again.
"Jinghou, you should know better than me. How many people are there in total in the Brian'an area? How many officers did the Privy Council throw to the Guiyi Army? These officers from Jinghai Palace and Wude Palace are capable of both literature and martial arts. This ratio is too high. , the few birdmen in the Brian'an area, with such a high proportion of officials, it is really not difficult to set up."
"But if we really want to do this in the whole of Java, first, how many people are needed? Second, I am afraid that there will be huge conflicts with the local middle and upper classes."
Liu Yu nodded and said: "Of course I understand this. But what I mean is that the steps are too big, and it is easy to tear the egg. But, you can't think about not taking steps."
"Is it possible to have two models? In Batavia, Cirebon, Semarang, Berangan and other places where we are powerful and fully controllable, we can carry out land reform."
"And in some remote areas, first follow what you said. Wait for ten or eight years, and then push down after the control over there deepens?"
"I'm not saying I'm against you doing this. I'm saying that it's okay to do it, but it should never be considered as the end point. It can be used as a transition, but the transition policy should pave the way for the follow-up, rather than trying to make it perfect and fixed. "
"As you said, those village chiefs are given the power to completely control the villagers. I think this is all about making the system fixed and cannot be changed."
"In my opinion, it's not very necessary. As a transition, you can temporarily use local intermediaries to control places where the rule is weak; however, you can't think about once and for all, thinking that this is good, and trying to perfect this mutant serfdom. You You know what I mean?"
Niu Er frowned, thought for a while, but didn't nod immediately.
"Jinghou, since the question is what is the purpose of going to Nanyang. I think the short-term is for money; the long-term is to increase the number of Chinese people in Nanyang and ease the conflict between people and land."
"The key here is that the policy on the Javanese is only related to money, because the Javanese is not from the Tang Dynasty. I think, if I understand correctly, since it is only related to money, there seems to be no need for such trouble."
Liu Yu said: "That's right, it's about money. But there are different opinions about money."
"It's different from planting trees and breaking branches."
"The Dutch are doing it like this."
"The Netherlands has such a good foundation. The wool textile industry used to be in trouble. Since the British were driven out of Nanyang during the Apocalypse years, the whole Nanyang has been decided by him. As a result, the wool textile industry of the country has been ruined." Basically closed down, isn’t that nonsense?”
"As long as the Dutch can make the people in Southeast Asia afford fabrics, can the Dutch woolen factories go bankrupt? You said that in Europe, there are the British "Navigation Regulations", the French high tariff policy, and the Spanish colonies prohibiting other countries. The Trade Act..."
"In Nanyang, there is nothing, no one cares!"
"The Swedes can be forcibly seized by the Dutch when they sell something, the British have no temper at all when they are blocked, they can only stab a knife in the back, the French are driven away by the locals in Siam, and the Spanish shrink back in Luzon and dare not show their faces. With such good conditions, there is no competition from others for selling goods, and you can wipe out all the industry in the country, don’t you think it’s nonsense?”
"At the end of the day, I mean, money, of course, has to be earned."
"But how do you make money?"
"The best way is to let the people of Java grow coffee, indigo, cotton, and rice. Then, sell these things for money. Then, use the money to buy our cotton cloth, tea, sugar, rice wine, glass, Ironware."
"You understand, there is absolutely no problem. The short-term is for money, and the long-term is to go to Nanyang for the Chinese Day."
"However, your understanding of money is wrong. For the country, mobilizing money and letting people have things to do is the goal."
"The Holy Son of Heaven loves money, who doesn't love money? Lovely money is not guarding gold and silver mountains. It's like looking at beautiful women every day. It's enough to be beautiful and delicious."
"Use the money to fight wars, build water conservancy, and build embankments; or, let the money move, so that more landless people can do something to earn a living."
"For example, if one million pieces of cloth can be sold in Java every year in the future, will there be at least tens of thousands of people in the country, who will have jobs and will not starve to death?"
"For example, if the people of Java in the future can buy some white sugar during festivals. As for the sugar factory in Batavia, how about the unemployed Ushank Party running rampant?"
Niu Er suddenly realized that with the subtle influence of indoctrination before, it was not difficult for him to understand this problem.
But after thinking about it, he slapped his head and said, "Jinghou, although Java has a large population, it is still far behind when compared to the Chinese Empire. If the people of the Chinese Dynasty can buy sweets during the festivals, let alone Batavia. If there are a hundred sugarcane departments, even if there are twice as many, that is not a problem."
Liu Yu laughed loudly and said, "Nonsense, if I want this ability, why am I always thinking about overseas affairs? I have no ability, so I have to think about outside affairs. Do you have this ability? Can you figure out how to solve it? Guochao’s problem? You tell me and I’ll listen to you.”
Niu Er twitched his lips, consciously slipping his tongue, bowed his head and said, "You don't know the marquis, how can we know where to go? Then I understand, I probably know about Java."
(End of this chapter)
The internal market potential of Dashun is huge.
But one premise is to disintegrate the small peasant economy, or to complete the land reform, even if it is the variant well field system envisaged by the ancient Confucian schools such as Yan Xizhai and Li Gangzhu.
Otherwise, the vast majority of people either don’t have much spending power, and it’s good to be alive; or they are self-sufficient, and they can spin basic cloth clothes for their own use.
Otherwise, Dashun has nearly a quarter of the world's population, and Liu Yu doesn't have to search for European and American markets.
According to Niu Er, who is fat?
Coffee and spices are all for the European market.With such a big piece of cake, the emperor could eat a big bite, and the nobles also ate some, and the rest were those big businessmen.
If they are fattened up, they can earn money while lying down, I'm afraid they will look like the Netherlands.
Commercial capital should be subordinate to industrial capital, otherwise it cannot promote change.
Just like in the Gyeonggi area of Shaanxi, Shanxi, the businessmen who have made a fortune facing Mongolia in recent years, they have strong capital, but they neither want to mine coal, nor do they want to engage in wool textiles, but lend usury and hoard land.
Moreover, the bulk of Nanyang's commercial profits must be eaten by the emperor and nobles.
In fact, in Liu Yu's view, eating something is enough, and it is best to make Nanyang a huge consumer market.
Carry out a violent and rapid land reform modeled on the Javanese land reform that was conceived by the British in history but never implemented.
Firstly, Dashun, as an outsider, doesn't need to consider the attitude of the local wealthy and feudal aristocrats, kill them.In Dashun, I absolutely dare not.
Second, in fact, directly linking the labor of farmers to their income can greatly promote production efficiency.You can make less money and lower prices, so that farmers can make money, and they will naturally grow coffee, rice, and indigo for the market.
The third is to disintegrate the local primitive economy and the village land system, making Nanyang have millions of people with a certain consumption capacity.Selling cotton cloth, glass, ironware, etc. can definitely promote the development of Dashun industry.
They all say primitive accumulation. Take the Netherlands as an example. They have accumulated enough, but the result of excessive accumulation is that commercial capital crushes industrial capital.
And is Dashun short of money?From the silver black hole in the Ming Dynasty, silver mines in America, Japan, and Austria, a large amount of silver flowed into Dashun.Dashun's wealthy businessmen, do they lack the start-up funds for industrial development?Are there a large number of landless peasants who have flowed into the cities?
What is missing is not these, but the market.
Primitive accumulation has been completed by sitting at home since the mid-Ming Dynasty; Dashun does not need to engage in the land enclosure movement, will Dashun lack cheap labor?Britain has engaged in a land enclosure movement for 100 years, forcing the absolute number of farmers who lost their land to buy land as much as the landlords after the Yellow River flood?
No matter how rich a village head in Java is, he only wears a suit of clothes, sets a table of porcelain, and uses an iron pot.They have spending power, but their number is too small to support a huge market.
One of the so-called dual missions of the colonists was to transform the colony according to the needs of the mother country.Shred everything old and replace it with new,
Putting it in Nanyang, that is to say, what is the demand of Dashun?Or to go further, what does Dashun want to become?
In the Netherlands, commercial capital has completely killed industrial capital, so the Netherlands hopes to transform Java into a pure commodity producing area.
But how many birds are there in the Netherlands?One Amsterdam Stock Exchange, one East India Company, and one West India Company are enough to make the Netherlands rich.
The most likely reason for Dashun to do this is that the money earned from doing business is useless. They have to buy land or lend money.
Investing in plantations and the like, the market for spices and cane sugar has become saturated; the prerequisite for large-scale cotton planting is the development of the textile industry. In fact, after acquiring Nanyang, Dashun will not be able to use up the cotton produced by the old system in India for the time being. .
Capital must be directed towards industry.The profit-seeking nature of capital makes it a major premise that investment in industry must make money; Dashun’s special national conditions make it no problem for industry to make money, but before the capital grows, it cannot cause a huge impact on Dashun’s internal small-scale peasant economy.
Then we can only find the external market.
Liu Yu did not directly deny Niu Er's statement, he also knew that his idea was quite difficult to implement, much bigger than Niu Er's idea.
So he asked as calmly as possible: "Isn't it good that you have made a policy in the Brian'an area? Before that, you couldn't trade with the Dutch, and the Dutch monopolized the trade, so the people are self-sufficient in growing food and so on. "
"Now the imperial court has replaced the Dutch. With your land policy in the volcanic area, farmers can grow whatever they want. They can grow whatever makes money. Basically, it doesn't affect us to sell goods to Europa to make money."
Niu Er nodded, then shook his head again.
"Jinghou, you should know better than me. How many people are there in total in the Brian'an area? How many officers did the Privy Council throw to the Guiyi Army? These officers from Jinghai Palace and Wude Palace are capable of both literature and martial arts. This ratio is too high. , the few birdmen in the Brian'an area, with such a high proportion of officials, it is really not difficult to set up."
"But if we really want to do this in the whole of Java, first, how many people are needed? Second, I am afraid that there will be huge conflicts with the local middle and upper classes."
Liu Yu nodded and said: "Of course I understand this. But what I mean is that the steps are too big, and it is easy to tear the egg. But, you can't think about not taking steps."
"Is it possible to have two models? In Batavia, Cirebon, Semarang, Berangan and other places where we are powerful and fully controllable, we can carry out land reform."
"And in some remote areas, first follow what you said. Wait for ten or eight years, and then push down after the control over there deepens?"
"I'm not saying I'm against you doing this. I'm saying that it's okay to do it, but it should never be considered as the end point. It can be used as a transition, but the transition policy should pave the way for the follow-up, rather than trying to make it perfect and fixed. "
"As you said, those village chiefs are given the power to completely control the villagers. I think this is all about making the system fixed and cannot be changed."
"In my opinion, it's not very necessary. As a transition, you can temporarily use local intermediaries to control places where the rule is weak; however, you can't think about once and for all, thinking that this is good, and trying to perfect this mutant serfdom. You You know what I mean?"
Niu Er frowned, thought for a while, but didn't nod immediately.
"Jinghou, since the question is what is the purpose of going to Nanyang. I think the short-term is for money; the long-term is to increase the number of Chinese people in Nanyang and ease the conflict between people and land."
"The key here is that the policy on the Javanese is only related to money, because the Javanese is not from the Tang Dynasty. I think, if I understand correctly, since it is only related to money, there seems to be no need for such trouble."
Liu Yu said: "That's right, it's about money. But there are different opinions about money."
"It's different from planting trees and breaking branches."
"The Dutch are doing it like this."
"The Netherlands has such a good foundation. The wool textile industry used to be in trouble. Since the British were driven out of Nanyang during the Apocalypse years, the whole Nanyang has been decided by him. As a result, the wool textile industry of the country has been ruined." Basically closed down, isn’t that nonsense?”
"As long as the Dutch can make the people in Southeast Asia afford fabrics, can the Dutch woolen factories go bankrupt? You said that in Europe, there are the British "Navigation Regulations", the French high tariff policy, and the Spanish colonies prohibiting other countries. The Trade Act..."
"In Nanyang, there is nothing, no one cares!"
"The Swedes can be forcibly seized by the Dutch when they sell something, the British have no temper at all when they are blocked, they can only stab a knife in the back, the French are driven away by the locals in Siam, and the Spanish shrink back in Luzon and dare not show their faces. With such good conditions, there is no competition from others for selling goods, and you can wipe out all the industry in the country, don’t you think it’s nonsense?”
"At the end of the day, I mean, money, of course, has to be earned."
"But how do you make money?"
"The best way is to let the people of Java grow coffee, indigo, cotton, and rice. Then, sell these things for money. Then, use the money to buy our cotton cloth, tea, sugar, rice wine, glass, Ironware."
"You understand, there is absolutely no problem. The short-term is for money, and the long-term is to go to Nanyang for the Chinese Day."
"However, your understanding of money is wrong. For the country, mobilizing money and letting people have things to do is the goal."
"The Holy Son of Heaven loves money, who doesn't love money? Lovely money is not guarding gold and silver mountains. It's like looking at beautiful women every day. It's enough to be beautiful and delicious."
"Use the money to fight wars, build water conservancy, and build embankments; or, let the money move, so that more landless people can do something to earn a living."
"For example, if one million pieces of cloth can be sold in Java every year in the future, will there be at least tens of thousands of people in the country, who will have jobs and will not starve to death?"
"For example, if the people of Java in the future can buy some white sugar during festivals. As for the sugar factory in Batavia, how about the unemployed Ushank Party running rampant?"
Niu Er suddenly realized that with the subtle influence of indoctrination before, it was not difficult for him to understand this problem.
But after thinking about it, he slapped his head and said, "Jinghou, although Java has a large population, it is still far behind when compared to the Chinese Empire. If the people of the Chinese Dynasty can buy sweets during the festivals, let alone Batavia. If there are a hundred sugarcane departments, even if there are twice as many, that is not a problem."
Liu Yu laughed loudly and said, "Nonsense, if I want this ability, why am I always thinking about overseas affairs? I have no ability, so I have to think about outside affairs. Do you have this ability? Can you figure out how to solve it? Guochao’s problem? You tell me and I’ll listen to you.”
Niu Er twitched his lips, consciously slipping his tongue, bowed his head and said, "You don't know the marquis, how can we know where to go? Then I understand, I probably know about Java."
(End of this chapter)
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