Xinshun 1730
Chapter 793
Chapter 793
As a member of the imperial court, he dare not speak lightly on the issue of whom the imperial court will face in the future.
Objectively speaking, looking at this matter from an absolutely rational perspective, if there is a disturbance and smashes the machine, it must be strictly enforced.
Even directly dispatching the garrison is also under consideration.
Since the contradictions of initial industrialization can be foreseen, it should be known that these contradictions are best dismantled, crushed, differentiated, and disintegrated, and resolved bit by bit.
Once conflicts are piled up, it is difficult to resolve them.
However, on the one hand, due to the political correctness of Dashun's small-scale peasant economy, there are some things that Liu Yu can't say;
For example, he originally only wanted to suppress the Luddite movement, but in the end the local officials directly imposed permanent bans and punished them severely. Obviously, this is very possible.
Knowing what these factory owners wanted, Liu Yu thought for a long time before giving an answer that seemed reasonable but was actually ambiguous.
"There are always traces to follow when doing things in the imperial court."
"Since there is a "Da Shun Law", we should follow the "Da Shun Law"."
"If there is nothing in the "Dashun Law", there are also Chunqiu and Analects, which are used to judge prisons. The teaching method is higher than the law."
"If there are things that are not even recorded in the Spring and Autumn Annals and the Analects of Confucius... such as the use of this new machine, the objection of the hired workers, etc., there are traces to follow."
"The matter of hiring workers and employers was rare before. But when it comes to landlords and tenants, there have always been many."
"Then let me ask you, what will the holy pilgrimage do if some tenants rebel and beg for a rent reduction?"
"Replace it with hired workers, employers, and hired workers asking for piece-rate wages, or more wine money during the Spring and Autumn Period, or rice subsidies for work. How is this different from the landlord and tenant affairs just mentioned?"
"Is it possible that the Holy Dynasty wanted to learn from Donglu? In the last years of the previous dynasty in the south of the Yangtze River, some of the gentry praised Donglu for their "righteousness", and now there are even more people who yearn for Donglu. Feed the pot of pulp to welcome the barbarians?"
These words are exactly the source of worry for the factory owners.
Although they don't understand the principle that the small peasant economy is the foundation of the empire, they also don't understand the methods used by a late feudal dynasty like Dashun, at least in theory, to suppress mergers.
However, they knew the style of some local officials in Dashun.
Corrupt officials are fine, honest officials must be slightly biased towards the bottom.
Just thinking that Liu Yu was expressing his attitude on behalf of the court, the woman was just about to say that if so, they really dare not use the new machine.
Liu Yu said again: "But there is another situation that needs to be considered."
"For example, the landlord's family uses cattle, horses and livestock, and plows with cogwheel carts. Originally, more than a hundred lands were allocated to collect rent, but now they only support twenty or thirty hired laborers. As a result, people who were forced to quit their tenants flocked , smashed columbine carts and plows, and killed cattle, horses, donkeys and mules... This is different."
"Do you understand the difference?"
He has said so much, in fact, if it is in later generations, it can be made clear in just one sentence: the criterion for the improvement of productivity.
But at this time, apart from those around him and the student officers he brought out to some degree, how can the people here understand this criterion?
After all, this is still the era of Spring and Autumn Judgment.In the Spring and Autumn Period, there is no sentence "whether the development of per capita productivity is an important criterion for measuring right or wrong", so it is difficult to say clearly.
Taking this example, no matter whether it is the governor of Songjiang or the woman of Jihu, they probably all understand the difference.
It cannot be one size fits all, but what the grassroots love to do is one size fits all, so it can only be said to be this level of ambiguity, and it is not too detailed.
But I have to say it.
After all, the policy still needs to be implemented by the local officials. At least the local officials must know, even if they don’t understand the core, they should know the appearance: in the face of new conflicts that may arise in the future, what kind of attitude should be adopted to judge.
After finishing speaking, his eyes swept over the Governor of Songjiang, as if asking him if he understood.
"What the Marquis of Whale said really made the lower official suddenly see the light, like seeing the sun through the clouds."
"The so-called Tao produces one, one produces two, and even all things. This new situation in the development of Songjiang Prefecture's industry and commerce has never been seen before. It is really difficult to judge based on past experience. However, a sage can derive Tao from all things. All things belong to three, three belong to two, two belong to one, and one belongs to Dao. One method is connected, and ten thousand methods are connected. But ordinary people can only see everything, and they have to know how to solve everything before they know how to solve it, just like I know how to make mutton, but if I give him a piece of pork, I won’t do it, I have to tell him how to make pork.”
"A lower official is an ordinary person, with the appearance of a middle-aged man. If you say that you first understand the way and do things, you really don't have such ability. But the way that Jinghou said, the lower official can also have a glimpse."
Songjiang Fu Yin said so, but he only half understood it in his heart.I vaguely felt that I had grasped the main point of what Liu Yu said, but it was difficult to sum up the whole truth, and I couldn't explain it clearly for a while.
I just feel that it is nothing more than to say that if machines replace people and compete for profits with the people, this should be towards machines; manner.
It is really difficult to grasp the proportion of this.
In addition, there are indeed many Dashun laws in Songjiang Mansion, or things that have never happened in history, so it is difficult to come up with a completely correct way to deal with it based on past experience.
It's like the Qi Xing called Xie incident in Suzhou Prefecture.
"Da Shun Law" inherits "Da Ming Law". When "Da Ming Law" was formulated, how could it be possible to consider such things as a strike in the entire industry?
With the development of the times, many new problems will arise.The person who made the law was not a prophet or a saint. How could it be possible to formulate corresponding laws on how to deal with strikes in the entire industry hundreds of years ago?
In this era of minor changes in five years and major changes in ten years, Songjiang Prefecture, this "unprecedented event" really tests the level of local officials.
The Governor of the Songjiang Mansion has no doctrines, nor does he have the same views on the development of productivity as Liu Yu. He just thinks that Liu Yu is now the emperor's grace, and the Songjiang Mansion is the emperor's treasury. Once those unprecedented things happen, it is up to him to deal with them The method of disposal also depends on whether the method of disposal meets the above meaning.
Liu Yu saw that what he said seemed to make some sense, and he thought that if you can really understand the "Tao" in it, it will be easy.
I'm afraid that's what you're talking about, you still have to listen to people say how to kill pigs to know how to kill them, and next time you encounter sheep, you won't be confused.
The Jihu couple on the side were also half confused, as if they understood a little, but they didn't seem to understand anything.
Liu Yu smiled and said, "Forget it, let's talk about this matter first. When I return to the capital, I will go to the Academy of Sciences to arrange this matter, and we will discuss it later."
"By the way, what are your couple's plans for the future? Do you plan to buy shares and start some commercial business? Or do you have any consideration for the future of the child? Is it to let the child inherit the business of his parents and continue to do this textile industry? Or are you going to buy some land in the future to farm, study and pass down the family to prepare for the imperial examination?"
The woman who was the boss thought about it for a while, and said with a smile: "The stock purchases mentioned by Junhou are all done by big businessmen. Although interest is paid every year, there are also risks. In the past few years, there have been inherent profits, but there have also been losses. I I just feel that buying stocks and investing is far worse than relying on textiles. It’s okay to make money, but if you lose money, your child’s family business will be gone.”
"If you want to talk about buying land, farming and studying...we haven't thought about it. First, the children learn new things, and they all learn things in the new schools funded by the princes. They can't be Wenqu stars, and they are not very good at books .Besides, it is extremely difficult to be a scholar. If you can’t pass the exam, I think it’s better to run a textile business. But if you win the exam, it must be the fate of the Wenqu star. How can we have such a fate?”
That said, I just thought so.After Liu Yuyi said a lot, the woman had other reasons in her heart.
I thought that since Jing Hou said that there is a machine that can weave cloth faster, it would be fine if someone else said it, but since Jing Hou said, most of the things can be done.
The so-called is that being an official for thousands of miles is only for money.If there is such a machine in the future, won't making money be the same as being an official and grabbing money?Furthermore, how could it be so easy to be an official?It's better to run these household businesses well.
Now that the imperial court has gone to Nanyang again, and the sales of cloth and silk will be better in the future, where should I buy at this time?The price of grain in Songjiang Mansion has already reached this level. If you have the money to buy land, why not buy more looms?
Kuang Yu said that now the imperial court has banned the poll tax and spread it on the land.The rest of the corvee, etc., are also taught by land.If I buy land, I have to give gifts so that I can get acquainted with the gentry, and I can avoid apportionment in the future.
This is not the same as textiles.At the beginning, everyone was familiar with each other, and the channels for entering yarn and selling goods had been dealt with for several years.
Secondly, the price of rice seems not to be expensive in the past few years. Originally, people ate more Nanyang rice and Taiwanese rice. Now that the imperial court has settled down in Nanyang, can the price of rice still rise?
With the poll tax abolished, no matter how low the price of rice is, I don’t need to spend too much money to hire workers here.
As for paying taxes, Songjiang Mansion's current industrial and commercial tax is worth three out of a hundred, stamped as a mark.I don’t collect much on weekdays, just occasionally donate to free schools, charity halls, etc., but the amount of donation is just passable on the surface, and it is still better than farming.
You can't be afraid of anything.
Now the imperial court is protecting the industry and commerce of Songjiang Prefecture, apportionment, additional al__cpLocation, etc., local officials do not add to industry and commerce but to land.The woman thought to herself, what she is afraid of is that the court sent tax inspectors like the previous court to apportion business and industry, but after all, there is no such thing now, so there is no need to worry about it.
I also thought, if the kind of machine Jing Hou mentioned would appear soon, then it seems uneconomical to buy a loom at this time?
Thinking of this, the woman asked: "But I don't know when the machine you mentioned will be available for sale?"
Liu Yu smiled and said, "It's hard to say. I know what you're thinking. It's just thinking that new machines will come out in the future. If you buy the looms at this time, you will lose money. But for this thing, it can take a year or so at the earliest, and it can take three to five years at the slowest." Years, it's hard to say for sure. But as long as it is made, it must be sold in Songjiang Mansion first."
"In the past few years, as far as I can see, the cloth is not worrying about selling. You don't have to worry about it at this time. You can do whatever you want at this time. If you need to add looms, you can add more looms; if you need to hire more people, you can add more." Hire people. In the future, there will be new machines, and this old loom will not be unusable. Besides, you think I don’t know? In the past few years, the capital can be made back.”
(End of this chapter)
As a member of the imperial court, he dare not speak lightly on the issue of whom the imperial court will face in the future.
Objectively speaking, looking at this matter from an absolutely rational perspective, if there is a disturbance and smashes the machine, it must be strictly enforced.
Even directly dispatching the garrison is also under consideration.
Since the contradictions of initial industrialization can be foreseen, it should be known that these contradictions are best dismantled, crushed, differentiated, and disintegrated, and resolved bit by bit.
Once conflicts are piled up, it is difficult to resolve them.
However, on the one hand, due to the political correctness of Dashun's small-scale peasant economy, there are some things that Liu Yu can't say;
For example, he originally only wanted to suppress the Luddite movement, but in the end the local officials directly imposed permanent bans and punished them severely. Obviously, this is very possible.
Knowing what these factory owners wanted, Liu Yu thought for a long time before giving an answer that seemed reasonable but was actually ambiguous.
"There are always traces to follow when doing things in the imperial court."
"Since there is a "Da Shun Law", we should follow the "Da Shun Law"."
"If there is nothing in the "Dashun Law", there are also Chunqiu and Analects, which are used to judge prisons. The teaching method is higher than the law."
"If there are things that are not even recorded in the Spring and Autumn Annals and the Analects of Confucius... such as the use of this new machine, the objection of the hired workers, etc., there are traces to follow."
"The matter of hiring workers and employers was rare before. But when it comes to landlords and tenants, there have always been many."
"Then let me ask you, what will the holy pilgrimage do if some tenants rebel and beg for a rent reduction?"
"Replace it with hired workers, employers, and hired workers asking for piece-rate wages, or more wine money during the Spring and Autumn Period, or rice subsidies for work. How is this different from the landlord and tenant affairs just mentioned?"
"Is it possible that the Holy Dynasty wanted to learn from Donglu? In the last years of the previous dynasty in the south of the Yangtze River, some of the gentry praised Donglu for their "righteousness", and now there are even more people who yearn for Donglu. Feed the pot of pulp to welcome the barbarians?"
These words are exactly the source of worry for the factory owners.
Although they don't understand the principle that the small peasant economy is the foundation of the empire, they also don't understand the methods used by a late feudal dynasty like Dashun, at least in theory, to suppress mergers.
However, they knew the style of some local officials in Dashun.
Corrupt officials are fine, honest officials must be slightly biased towards the bottom.
Just thinking that Liu Yu was expressing his attitude on behalf of the court, the woman was just about to say that if so, they really dare not use the new machine.
Liu Yu said again: "But there is another situation that needs to be considered."
"For example, the landlord's family uses cattle, horses and livestock, and plows with cogwheel carts. Originally, more than a hundred lands were allocated to collect rent, but now they only support twenty or thirty hired laborers. As a result, people who were forced to quit their tenants flocked , smashed columbine carts and plows, and killed cattle, horses, donkeys and mules... This is different."
"Do you understand the difference?"
He has said so much, in fact, if it is in later generations, it can be made clear in just one sentence: the criterion for the improvement of productivity.
But at this time, apart from those around him and the student officers he brought out to some degree, how can the people here understand this criterion?
After all, this is still the era of Spring and Autumn Judgment.In the Spring and Autumn Period, there is no sentence "whether the development of per capita productivity is an important criterion for measuring right or wrong", so it is difficult to say clearly.
Taking this example, no matter whether it is the governor of Songjiang or the woman of Jihu, they probably all understand the difference.
It cannot be one size fits all, but what the grassroots love to do is one size fits all, so it can only be said to be this level of ambiguity, and it is not too detailed.
But I have to say it.
After all, the policy still needs to be implemented by the local officials. At least the local officials must know, even if they don’t understand the core, they should know the appearance: in the face of new conflicts that may arise in the future, what kind of attitude should be adopted to judge.
After finishing speaking, his eyes swept over the Governor of Songjiang, as if asking him if he understood.
"What the Marquis of Whale said really made the lower official suddenly see the light, like seeing the sun through the clouds."
"The so-called Tao produces one, one produces two, and even all things. This new situation in the development of Songjiang Prefecture's industry and commerce has never been seen before. It is really difficult to judge based on past experience. However, a sage can derive Tao from all things. All things belong to three, three belong to two, two belong to one, and one belongs to Dao. One method is connected, and ten thousand methods are connected. But ordinary people can only see everything, and they have to know how to solve everything before they know how to solve it, just like I know how to make mutton, but if I give him a piece of pork, I won’t do it, I have to tell him how to make pork.”
"A lower official is an ordinary person, with the appearance of a middle-aged man. If you say that you first understand the way and do things, you really don't have such ability. But the way that Jinghou said, the lower official can also have a glimpse."
Songjiang Fu Yin said so, but he only half understood it in his heart.I vaguely felt that I had grasped the main point of what Liu Yu said, but it was difficult to sum up the whole truth, and I couldn't explain it clearly for a while.
I just feel that it is nothing more than to say that if machines replace people and compete for profits with the people, this should be towards machines; manner.
It is really difficult to grasp the proportion of this.
In addition, there are indeed many Dashun laws in Songjiang Mansion, or things that have never happened in history, so it is difficult to come up with a completely correct way to deal with it based on past experience.
It's like the Qi Xing called Xie incident in Suzhou Prefecture.
"Da Shun Law" inherits "Da Ming Law". When "Da Ming Law" was formulated, how could it be possible to consider such things as a strike in the entire industry?
With the development of the times, many new problems will arise.The person who made the law was not a prophet or a saint. How could it be possible to formulate corresponding laws on how to deal with strikes in the entire industry hundreds of years ago?
In this era of minor changes in five years and major changes in ten years, Songjiang Prefecture, this "unprecedented event" really tests the level of local officials.
The Governor of the Songjiang Mansion has no doctrines, nor does he have the same views on the development of productivity as Liu Yu. He just thinks that Liu Yu is now the emperor's grace, and the Songjiang Mansion is the emperor's treasury. Once those unprecedented things happen, it is up to him to deal with them The method of disposal also depends on whether the method of disposal meets the above meaning.
Liu Yu saw that what he said seemed to make some sense, and he thought that if you can really understand the "Tao" in it, it will be easy.
I'm afraid that's what you're talking about, you still have to listen to people say how to kill pigs to know how to kill them, and next time you encounter sheep, you won't be confused.
The Jihu couple on the side were also half confused, as if they understood a little, but they didn't seem to understand anything.
Liu Yu smiled and said, "Forget it, let's talk about this matter first. When I return to the capital, I will go to the Academy of Sciences to arrange this matter, and we will discuss it later."
"By the way, what are your couple's plans for the future? Do you plan to buy shares and start some commercial business? Or do you have any consideration for the future of the child? Is it to let the child inherit the business of his parents and continue to do this textile industry? Or are you going to buy some land in the future to farm, study and pass down the family to prepare for the imperial examination?"
The woman who was the boss thought about it for a while, and said with a smile: "The stock purchases mentioned by Junhou are all done by big businessmen. Although interest is paid every year, there are also risks. In the past few years, there have been inherent profits, but there have also been losses. I I just feel that buying stocks and investing is far worse than relying on textiles. It’s okay to make money, but if you lose money, your child’s family business will be gone.”
"If you want to talk about buying land, farming and studying...we haven't thought about it. First, the children learn new things, and they all learn things in the new schools funded by the princes. They can't be Wenqu stars, and they are not very good at books .Besides, it is extremely difficult to be a scholar. If you can’t pass the exam, I think it’s better to run a textile business. But if you win the exam, it must be the fate of the Wenqu star. How can we have such a fate?”
That said, I just thought so.After Liu Yuyi said a lot, the woman had other reasons in her heart.
I thought that since Jing Hou said that there is a machine that can weave cloth faster, it would be fine if someone else said it, but since Jing Hou said, most of the things can be done.
The so-called is that being an official for thousands of miles is only for money.If there is such a machine in the future, won't making money be the same as being an official and grabbing money?Furthermore, how could it be so easy to be an official?It's better to run these household businesses well.
Now that the imperial court has gone to Nanyang again, and the sales of cloth and silk will be better in the future, where should I buy at this time?The price of grain in Songjiang Mansion has already reached this level. If you have the money to buy land, why not buy more looms?
Kuang Yu said that now the imperial court has banned the poll tax and spread it on the land.The rest of the corvee, etc., are also taught by land.If I buy land, I have to give gifts so that I can get acquainted with the gentry, and I can avoid apportionment in the future.
This is not the same as textiles.At the beginning, everyone was familiar with each other, and the channels for entering yarn and selling goods had been dealt with for several years.
Secondly, the price of rice seems not to be expensive in the past few years. Originally, people ate more Nanyang rice and Taiwanese rice. Now that the imperial court has settled down in Nanyang, can the price of rice still rise?
With the poll tax abolished, no matter how low the price of rice is, I don’t need to spend too much money to hire workers here.
As for paying taxes, Songjiang Mansion's current industrial and commercial tax is worth three out of a hundred, stamped as a mark.I don’t collect much on weekdays, just occasionally donate to free schools, charity halls, etc., but the amount of donation is just passable on the surface, and it is still better than farming.
You can't be afraid of anything.
Now the imperial court is protecting the industry and commerce of Songjiang Prefecture, apportionment, additional al__cpLocation, etc., local officials do not add to industry and commerce but to land.The woman thought to herself, what she is afraid of is that the court sent tax inspectors like the previous court to apportion business and industry, but after all, there is no such thing now, so there is no need to worry about it.
I also thought, if the kind of machine Jing Hou mentioned would appear soon, then it seems uneconomical to buy a loom at this time?
Thinking of this, the woman asked: "But I don't know when the machine you mentioned will be available for sale?"
Liu Yu smiled and said, "It's hard to say. I know what you're thinking. It's just thinking that new machines will come out in the future. If you buy the looms at this time, you will lose money. But for this thing, it can take a year or so at the earliest, and it can take three to five years at the slowest." Years, it's hard to say for sure. But as long as it is made, it must be sold in Songjiang Mansion first."
"In the past few years, as far as I can see, the cloth is not worrying about selling. You don't have to worry about it at this time. You can do whatever you want at this time. If you need to add looms, you can add more looms; if you need to hire more people, you can add more." Hire people. In the future, there will be new machines, and this old loom will not be unusable. Besides, you think I don’t know? In the past few years, the capital can be made back.”
(End of this chapter)
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