Xinshun 1730

Chapter 927 Pre-war Public Opinion Preparation

"No wonder George Anson came here back then. You hate the British so much. Before, you thought it was just a dispute over trade profits, but the root cause is here?"

"Ten years of Chongzhen in the previous dynasty... Heh, more than 100 years have passed. The British fought the Spaniards in Europa this time, and it was a big joke. Before the sailors boarded the ship, one-third of them fell ill. It’s ridiculous to want to break through an expedition to America that can only sustain 2000 people a hundred years ago.”

"When I was in Europa, the King of France often told me that the British were arrogant and annoying, and they couldn't be trusted. I only thought it was a feud between Britain and France like Wu Yue... Thinking about it this way, it seems to be a lie."

Liu Yu said seriously: "My lord father-in-law, although this matter is acceptable, it must be guarded against."

"The last time my father-in-law went to Europe and took a quick look at the flowers, he might not have seen much."

"My father-in-law has been staying here for several years, and during that time he participated in the Aachen Peace Conference. Don't you feel that it is really difficult for us to communicate with the European countries, especially the Protestant countries?"

"A lot of times, they talk like chickens talking to ducks. On the contrary, with those old religion countries, they can still explain some truths."

"I'm talking about a chicken talking to a duck, not because I don't understand the language or understand the allusions."

"But...how should I put it?"

He didn't know what to say, but Qi Guogong clapped his hands and said: "I was about to say this, it is true! Chickens and ducks, chickens and ducks, this is very good."

"It's definitely not that the language is unintelligible and the allusions are unclear, but that many things are clearly true, but they think they are otherwise."

"Just like this time, isn't it because of the prohibition of religion? People on my side say that for thousands of years, the Celestial Dynasty has never believed in any gods, but it is also a state of etiquette and a gentleman's style."

"I thought that the old religion was banned in this dynasty, and this Protestant country should applaud it. What happened?"

"But they said: [The good works that people have not received the grace of Christ, and have not been inspired by the Holy Spirit, have not been done through faith in Jesus Christ, so they cannot please God. On the contrary, they have not been done according to the will and command of God. is still sinful.”

"The people under my command will talk about you, saying that you came up with the method of vaccinating and saving thousands of lives, but you are unfaithful, so what you do will also go to hell?"

"Before being unfaithful, doing good deeds is worse?"

"They actually said that...you will go to hell, and you are more sinful than others, because you don't believe in God, and what you do, such as vaccination to save people, is not done according to God's will and command. Not only is it sinful, And it was the temptation of the devil..."

Qi Guogong's words came to an abrupt end here, because when he was arguing at that time, Qi Guogong saw that the situation was not right, and quickly took away the people on his side.

Because the people here talked about the top, Liu Yu felt that the weight might not be enough, and he planned to add Shennong who tasted all kinds of herbs, the emperor who made fire with flint wood, and even the current emperor.

When Qi Guogong heard this, he knew that even if he added the emperor, no matter how meritorious he was, he would still be "going to hell".

These words were meant to cause diplomatic disputes, and Dashun did not have a fleet capable of retaliating in Europe.

Qi Guogong felt that the emperor would be cursed at that time, "the emperor humiliated the ministers to death", and he had to fight them here, otherwise he would have no way to explain when he came back.He's not afraid of death, and he probably wouldn't dare to do anything to him, but it's best not to make a mistake at this moment in the trade situation that was so easy to come up with.

So stop talking quickly.

He had dealt with people of the old religion a lot. Before Dashun banned religion, a lot of Jesuit missionaries worked in the court, and there were a few third-rank officials.

Although these old religions are not good birds, they are not as extreme as Protestants.And it has been relying on localization.

Qi Guogong has never seen the extreme Protestant justification by faith, and he was completely dumbfounded.

Xin said this is not fucking nonsense?Not to mention the feeling of talking about chickens and ducks, but now that Liu Yu mentioned it like this, and also mentioned the "retreat" and "forbidden sea", I suddenly figured out a lot.

I vaguely understood what Liu Yu meant by "chicken and duck talk".

I thought that there was reason in the world, that we were all human, and we had to be reasonable as human beings.At this point, it is directly divided into people who are people, people who are not people, people who are faithful, and people who are unfaithful.

So what's the point?

Liu Yu laughed after listening to Qi Guogong finished talking about this matter: "This matter is actually simple to say. Does the Duke know that during the time of Longxing in this dynasty, Europe was fighting because of the Protestantism and the old religion?"

Duke Qi nodded, and Liu Yu asked again: "Does the Duke know that no matter whether it is this dynasty or Japan, if Confucian scholars want to change, they must talk about the pre-Qin period and talk about Confucius and Mencius?"

Qi Guogong nodded again, and then he understood.

"Are you saying that things must be reversed when they are extreme? The so-called new ones must be older than the old ones? Any change must be based on old teachings and borrowed from old teachings?"

"The new is actually the old of the old, must it be older, more trustworthy, and more extreme than the old?"

"According to what you said, it doesn't matter if it's Christ. If you go back and change it, you can only change it more and more extreme? If you don't talk about the past, you can't shake the present. Only if you talk about the past, can you shake the present. Heresy?"

Liu Yu hummed and said: "That's exactly what I mean. If you don't mention ancient teachings and saints, how can you say that the current statement is wrong? If you say that the current statement is wrong, it must be older and more ancient than the current practice. More original."

"Actually, I don't know that it is Christ, Huihui, and the Ming religion that was promoted in this dynasty. If there is a change, it must be ancient. The gentleman who wants to change must be more like the gentleman of the past than the current gentleman, so that he can change into a new one."

"This Protestantism is indeed more primitive and extreme than the old ones."

"It's just that since the end of the Ming Dynasty, all those who competed with Mingjiao scholars were old believers; and in this dynasty, officials in the court were also old believers. Because this dynasty rarely dealt with Protestant countries, I don't know the extremes. "

"He said that the more people I save, the worse I will go to hell. This is exactly the reasoning. If it is an old religion, he would add a few words. My behavior is like a saint, but I was deceived and didn't join the religion."

What he said was actually backfired, because the Jesuits want to follow the upper-class route and mix in China, and they can’t engage in justification by faith, telling the emperor and high-ranking officials that if you don’t believe, you will go to hell.

Those members of the Jesuits still understood the meaning of Dashun's imperial power, so if they dared to say that, let alone trying to preach, it would be too late.Even in the letter to Europe, it is said that the emperor is actually a half-Christian and has done many good things.

As the saying goes, there is no harm without comparison.

The old religion is indeed not a good bird, but from Matteo Ricci to those missionaries who used to hang out in the officialdom of Dashun, as long as they don't talk about God, the scholar-bureaucrats can still communicate with them.

Qi Guogong dealt with the Protestantism this time, and suddenly felt that the old religion, which he hated so much before, was actually a little bit cute.

Dashun itself bans religion while allying with France, many people feel a little confused.But after such a comparison, it seems to be understood at once.

France is certainly not a good bird, but the rest are worse.

Liu Yu borrowed what he said just now about the ten years of Chongzhen in the previous dynasty, and said: "Actually, it is normal for the British to think like this."

"I'll stroke my father-in-law."

"Britain and the Netherlands, the Protestants, engage in trade protection, sea ban policy, navigation regulations, and monopoly authorization. After the end, Ming Chongzhen accused the Celestial Empire of retreating for ten years. Then can I go to the Thames River to sell goods? Very Obviously not."

"The last time I went to the Netherlands, I said that your Dutch country can open a business office in China, why can't China open a business office in the Netherlands? What he said is the same as what you just said [People have not received the grace of Christ, they have not received the Holy Spirit] Since the good works done are not done through faith in Jesus Christ, they cannot please God. On the contrary, since they are not done according to God’s will and command, they still belong to sin.] The reason is the same .”

"For example, according to our theory, you come to my house to eat when you are hungry. After eating for a few days, I said I have no money and I want to go to your house to eat. Isn't this normal?"

"But what about their reasoning? That's not the reasoning between people, but the reasoning between people and animals."

"It's like people and cattle. The cattle can work, but the cattle can't do it if they want to eat food. We unfaithful people are not human at all."

"Isn't it a matter of course not to let cattle eat grain?"

"And those who are not human, how can you talk about human reason?"

"So, by the grace of the Lord, I come to your house to do business, and you have to open the door. If you don't open the door, you are a sinner and will go to hell."

"But if you come to my house to do business, you can't, because I have received the will of the Lord not to open the door for you. If you come to open my door, you are sinful and you will go to hell."

"That's why I said, it's a chicken-and-duck talk, and it doesn't make sense. The fundamental reason is that you think it's a communication between people, but they think it's a communication between people and animals."

These few words made Qi Guogong really feel enlightened.

Reminiscing about the sentence "Don't let the cows eat food, isn't it a matter of course?" He said repeatedly: "Yes, yes, yes! Of course! Of course! That's the feeling. He said things that are obviously unreasonable."

"In the past few years, I have been in Europe and dealt with people from those Protestant countries. This is what I feel. It doesn't make sense at all. Just like what you said about the business hall, I naturally said what you said, and what they gave Answer, that's how it feels."

"If you don't say it, I really don't know how to describe it!"

Qi Guogong's trip to Europe this time did generate many ideas.

The first time he went to Europe, it was a fleeting observation.

That trip to Europe was just a feeling similar to the feeling of the Han Dynasty when they heard that there was Rome in the west, and they might not be the only civilization.

It's not the kind of country that sees everything as a barbarian.

Nor is it the feeling of "broken heart" that turns from extreme conceit to extreme inferiority after being defeated by the Europeans.

It's a feeling of pure equality.

Waiting for this time to go to Europe, Qi Guogong did not go to see it as he did last time, and he was influenced by many subtle influences of Liu Yu. An indescribably weird feeling.

This feeling is basically the template of what Liu Yu said just now about the ten years of Chongzhen in the previous dynasty.

It is difficult for Qi Guogong to say exactly what this feeling is.

In other words, he doesn't know that there is a word called [double standard].

But most of the things are similar to the story of the Englishmen who lived in Chongzhen for ten years told by Liu Yu.

For the people of Dashun at that time, the incident of Chongzhen ten years ago was not so ridiculous that "Yelang was arrogant and ridiculously overconfident".

It's ridiculous to overestimate yourself, but it's not that ridiculous.

Rather, a country with navigation regulations, a country that prohibits Eastern merchant ships from directly calling at its ports to sell goods, and a country with an administratively granted monopoly of the East India Company, why do you think it is wrong for other countries to choose not to do business with you? of?

Qi Guogong felt that it was difficult for him to understand.

This incident is just one of them. In fact, Qi Guogong has a similar feeling many times during his visit to Europe.

It just feels "unreasonable".

The education he received since he was a child, or the basic morality and concept of right and wrong cultivated by Chinese culture, is completely unreasonable in those Protestant countries in Europe.

Huaxia culture is a peculiar culture of universal empire.

Have your own set of moral standards, regardless of whether this set of moral standards is all right, or whether it is in line with the times.

It is only said that when using this moral standard to evaluate people, it is a single standard.

People outside, whether they are good or bad, gentlemen or villains, also use this set of standards.

Even I believe in this single standard.

For example, the Sima family, the process of winning the world is a little bit...

So it is only said that Fu Wei's sage ruled the world with filial piety.

Later generations heard about the process of their ancestors conquering the world, and they also cried in shame, saying that such a country can last long?

In other words, Western missionaries, as long as they meet the standards here, they can still get a "profit" evaluation.

But Qi Guogong feels completely different after turning around in Europe.

But he really couldn't find a suitable word to describe this feeling.Now that Liu Yu said this, it really touched his heart.

Especially in the past few years, Dashun has been calling for European countries to allow Dashun to open business houses, and he feels that he has already let them build a business house, so it is reasonable to go there to build a business house.

But the reason for the other party's refusal is that this kind of self-confidence should not be taken for granted.

In terms of momentum, it's not a problem to refuse outrightly. He just didn't clear his throat and make a fuss, and Dashun didn't expect that the nonsense would lead to opening a business office in Europe.It is normal to refuse and not to lose in momentum.

However, the "natural" connotation made Qi Guogong feel very awkward.

It should be said that one side is justified by faith and the other side is justified by righteousness, resulting in a chicken-and-duck conversation, and it is impossible to communicate normally.

(End of this chapter)