Han Dao world
Chapter 1157 Open and honest
Xun Yu looked at Sun Quan's back and was silent for a moment.
"He is Sun Jian's second son, Sun Ce's younger brother?"
"Yeah." Liu Xie nodded and sat down on the seat.Although the carriage was spacious, he was not used to it.
In recent years, he usually rides a horse when he goes out, and rarely takes a car.Today, at the request of Mrs. Tang, he went to attend the book recommendation meeting as a scholar, so he could only take the car.
"Your Majesty address the Lang officials around him by their names instead of their names?"
Seeing Xun Yu's serious expression, Liu Xie was taken aback for a moment, then smiled. "I'm used to it." He thought for a while, and said seriously: "Mr. Xun, Sanqi are not ordinary officials. They were my personal guards when they were in court. On the battlefield, they are my last protection. In the future Let them out, they are the generals who sit on one side. Such people hold the power of life and death. They should respect and be respected by others, otherwise they may lose their due reverence for life and act recklessly with force."
Suddenly, Xun Yu nodded slightly. "Your Majesty's words are enlightening. Humans are not natural and rude. The reason why they are barbaric is that they are not educated enough. If what he sees and hears is based on force, it is indeed difficult when he holds force in his own hands. Be in awe of life."
"It's not just force." Liu Xie corrected: "To be precise, it's power. When Zhang Jian killed Hou Lan's family, he relied on power, and it was intangible power. A governor thinks he has justice in his hands, and he can The idea of destroying a family is simply appalling and horrifying."
Xun Yu frowned even tighter. "Hou Lan is a disaster for the country and the people, shouldn't he be killed?"
"It should be killed, but not like this." Liu Xie said lightly: "If he can be imprisoned calmly after killing like Li Ying, and sacrifice his life for righteousness, I respect him as a man. It is justice to flee after killing It's cheap, doesn't it cost anything? I really want to ask, if he knows he can't escape, would he dare to kill someone?"
Xun Yu was silent.
He has also considered this issue.
Although he is also a party member, he does not agree with Zhang Jian's approach.One is that the murder was too rash, and the other is that the escape involved too much, which not only caused too much loss to the Confucianism, but also aroused the vigilance of the emperor.
The rise of the party has a great relationship with this matter.
Emperor Xiaohuan, who was originally tolerant of the scholars' discussion of politics, found that the scholars formed a clique and could ignore the laws of the court, regardless of his own safety, and cover a murderer who fled from the fortress thousands of miles away. He felt deep fear and turned to the party members. Crack down hard.
When the party was imprisoned, the hatred between the emperor and the party members became deeper and deeper, gradually becoming incompatible.
Realizing that the conversation between himself and the Son of Heaven might intensify at the very beginning, Xun Yu swallowed the insulting words and deliberately softened his tone. "So Your Majesty insists on ruling the country by law, and every law must be obeyed?"
"Of course." Liu Xie lowered his head slightly and softened his tone. "What is the law? The law is an agreement between the imperial court and the subjects of the world. Since it is an agreement, it should be abided by and cannot be easily broken. If people have no faith and cannot stand, how can the country be safe? It is not impossible to use the law to respond to the law. But it’s probably unrealistic for you to expect that there will be no price at all.”
He paused for a moment, giving his attitude clearly. "So, as far as this matter is concerned, I respect Li Ying, but I don't agree with Zhang Jian."
Xun Yu breathed a sigh of relief.
Li Ying is the leader of the Ruying party, and the emperor expressed his approval of Li Ying in front of him, which is to show his attitude.
Although his recognition of Li Ying only refers to this matter.
"What if there is a law that is not followed, or there is a bad law?"
"These are two problems: if there are laws that are not followed, it is enough to deal with those who do not follow the laws according to the law. If there are bad laws, it will be more troublesome."
"How troublesome?"
"The first problem is how to define the law as an evil law? The second problem is how to correct the evil law so that the old evil can be eliminated and no new evil can be created. There is no way to govern the country if there are laws that are not followed.”
Xun Yu blushed, but pretended not to hear.
The words of the Son of Heaven are obviously a variation of "The records of states and counties are like thunderbolts. The imperial edict is obtained, but it is hung on the wall".
It is also one of the vices of party members that the emperor hates that local officials exercise power and ignore imperial edicts.Zong Cheng was implicated in the escape and returned to the case, and was severely punished by being exiled to the Western Regions. This is a manifestation of the will of the emperor and a warning to the party members.
It should be said that this warning played a role.Situ and Sikong jointly convened relevant personnel to discuss the matter, which was triggered by this case.
The Son of Heaven knew his intentions, so he spoke bluntly, and hoped that he could convey this meaning to everyone, so that they would not have unrealistic fantasies.
But not without saying, the emperor's point of view is cautious.
The state owns the state law, and the family has family rules.The family rules cannot be changed easily, how can the laws of the country be trifled with, and changed as soon as they are said?
Whether it is a bad law or not cannot be easily concluded.Be more cautious when amending the law.
"Dare to ask Your Majesty, how can we avoid evil laws?"
"In my opinion, evil laws cannot be generalized." Liu Xie relaxed his body, leaned on the back of the seat, and rested his forehead with his hands. "Some laws are inherently evil, and they were enacted to do evil. Such laws should not exist. Even if it is a matter of urgency, it should be dismissed as soon as the mission is completed, otherwise it will definitely backfire."
"for example?"
"For example, Shang Yang's farming war."
Xun Yu held his breath, and after a while, he let it out gently, with a smile on his face.
It is undoubtedly good news that the Son of Heaven does not approve of Legalism.
In any case, no one wants the great Han to repeat the same mistakes as the Qin Dynasty.Many people oppose the rule of law, not against the law in essence, but against the Qin law.
If what the Son of Heaven said about ruling the country by law was ruling the country by Qin law, then he would fight for it even if he was desperate.
"Other than that, what kind of evil law is there?"
"Times have changed, things have changed, and the law no longer adapts to the situation." Liu Xie turned to look at Xun Yu, with a smile on the corner of his mouth. "For example, the punishment should not be punished by a doctor, and the courtesy should not be given to an ordinary person. Such a rule may have its value in the Spring and Autumn Period of Shiqing Shilu, but now it is not the Spring and Autumn Period. The prince broke the law and committed the same crime as the common people, let alone a doctor."
Xun Yu reminded embarrassingly: "Your Majesty, not being punished by a doctor is not the privilege of a doctor, but a manifestation of the courtesy of the monarch and his ministers. A scholar can be killed but not humiliated. If a scholar breaks the law, the king can give him death, but not humiliation."
"I agree that scholars can be killed but not humiliated. But it is not only scholars who cannot be humiliated, but also ordinary people. The four peoples are all scholars, and the world is a public. How can we divide officials and ordinary people and treat them differently? Naturally, they should be treated equally. Mr. Xun When discussing matters with the princes of the Second Mansion, you may wish to present my point of view for discussion."
He paused for a moment, emphasizing his tone. "I think Mr. Xun also understands the result of Wang Mang's reversion to the past. We should not repeat the same mistakes. If we want to discuss new laws, we should open up the pattern, get rid of prejudices, and not be self-indulgent. We should go around in the small circle designated by the sages and come up with a set of rules." It seems to be high-sounding, but in fact it cannot be enforced."
"Wei." Xun Yu bowed to accept the order.
"He is Sun Jian's second son, Sun Ce's younger brother?"
"Yeah." Liu Xie nodded and sat down on the seat.Although the carriage was spacious, he was not used to it.
In recent years, he usually rides a horse when he goes out, and rarely takes a car.Today, at the request of Mrs. Tang, he went to attend the book recommendation meeting as a scholar, so he could only take the car.
"Your Majesty address the Lang officials around him by their names instead of their names?"
Seeing Xun Yu's serious expression, Liu Xie was taken aback for a moment, then smiled. "I'm used to it." He thought for a while, and said seriously: "Mr. Xun, Sanqi are not ordinary officials. They were my personal guards when they were in court. On the battlefield, they are my last protection. In the future Let them out, they are the generals who sit on one side. Such people hold the power of life and death. They should respect and be respected by others, otherwise they may lose their due reverence for life and act recklessly with force."
Suddenly, Xun Yu nodded slightly. "Your Majesty's words are enlightening. Humans are not natural and rude. The reason why they are barbaric is that they are not educated enough. If what he sees and hears is based on force, it is indeed difficult when he holds force in his own hands. Be in awe of life."
"It's not just force." Liu Xie corrected: "To be precise, it's power. When Zhang Jian killed Hou Lan's family, he relied on power, and it was intangible power. A governor thinks he has justice in his hands, and he can The idea of destroying a family is simply appalling and horrifying."
Xun Yu frowned even tighter. "Hou Lan is a disaster for the country and the people, shouldn't he be killed?"
"It should be killed, but not like this." Liu Xie said lightly: "If he can be imprisoned calmly after killing like Li Ying, and sacrifice his life for righteousness, I respect him as a man. It is justice to flee after killing It's cheap, doesn't it cost anything? I really want to ask, if he knows he can't escape, would he dare to kill someone?"
Xun Yu was silent.
He has also considered this issue.
Although he is also a party member, he does not agree with Zhang Jian's approach.One is that the murder was too rash, and the other is that the escape involved too much, which not only caused too much loss to the Confucianism, but also aroused the vigilance of the emperor.
The rise of the party has a great relationship with this matter.
Emperor Xiaohuan, who was originally tolerant of the scholars' discussion of politics, found that the scholars formed a clique and could ignore the laws of the court, regardless of his own safety, and cover a murderer who fled from the fortress thousands of miles away. He felt deep fear and turned to the party members. Crack down hard.
When the party was imprisoned, the hatred between the emperor and the party members became deeper and deeper, gradually becoming incompatible.
Realizing that the conversation between himself and the Son of Heaven might intensify at the very beginning, Xun Yu swallowed the insulting words and deliberately softened his tone. "So Your Majesty insists on ruling the country by law, and every law must be obeyed?"
"Of course." Liu Xie lowered his head slightly and softened his tone. "What is the law? The law is an agreement between the imperial court and the subjects of the world. Since it is an agreement, it should be abided by and cannot be easily broken. If people have no faith and cannot stand, how can the country be safe? It is not impossible to use the law to respond to the law. But it’s probably unrealistic for you to expect that there will be no price at all.”
He paused for a moment, giving his attitude clearly. "So, as far as this matter is concerned, I respect Li Ying, but I don't agree with Zhang Jian."
Xun Yu breathed a sigh of relief.
Li Ying is the leader of the Ruying party, and the emperor expressed his approval of Li Ying in front of him, which is to show his attitude.
Although his recognition of Li Ying only refers to this matter.
"What if there is a law that is not followed, or there is a bad law?"
"These are two problems: if there are laws that are not followed, it is enough to deal with those who do not follow the laws according to the law. If there are bad laws, it will be more troublesome."
"How troublesome?"
"The first problem is how to define the law as an evil law? The second problem is how to correct the evil law so that the old evil can be eliminated and no new evil can be created. There is no way to govern the country if there are laws that are not followed.”
Xun Yu blushed, but pretended not to hear.
The words of the Son of Heaven are obviously a variation of "The records of states and counties are like thunderbolts. The imperial edict is obtained, but it is hung on the wall".
It is also one of the vices of party members that the emperor hates that local officials exercise power and ignore imperial edicts.Zong Cheng was implicated in the escape and returned to the case, and was severely punished by being exiled to the Western Regions. This is a manifestation of the will of the emperor and a warning to the party members.
It should be said that this warning played a role.Situ and Sikong jointly convened relevant personnel to discuss the matter, which was triggered by this case.
The Son of Heaven knew his intentions, so he spoke bluntly, and hoped that he could convey this meaning to everyone, so that they would not have unrealistic fantasies.
But not without saying, the emperor's point of view is cautious.
The state owns the state law, and the family has family rules.The family rules cannot be changed easily, how can the laws of the country be trifled with, and changed as soon as they are said?
Whether it is a bad law or not cannot be easily concluded.Be more cautious when amending the law.
"Dare to ask Your Majesty, how can we avoid evil laws?"
"In my opinion, evil laws cannot be generalized." Liu Xie relaxed his body, leaned on the back of the seat, and rested his forehead with his hands. "Some laws are inherently evil, and they were enacted to do evil. Such laws should not exist. Even if it is a matter of urgency, it should be dismissed as soon as the mission is completed, otherwise it will definitely backfire."
"for example?"
"For example, Shang Yang's farming war."
Xun Yu held his breath, and after a while, he let it out gently, with a smile on his face.
It is undoubtedly good news that the Son of Heaven does not approve of Legalism.
In any case, no one wants the great Han to repeat the same mistakes as the Qin Dynasty.Many people oppose the rule of law, not against the law in essence, but against the Qin law.
If what the Son of Heaven said about ruling the country by law was ruling the country by Qin law, then he would fight for it even if he was desperate.
"Other than that, what kind of evil law is there?"
"Times have changed, things have changed, and the law no longer adapts to the situation." Liu Xie turned to look at Xun Yu, with a smile on the corner of his mouth. "For example, the punishment should not be punished by a doctor, and the courtesy should not be given to an ordinary person. Such a rule may have its value in the Spring and Autumn Period of Shiqing Shilu, but now it is not the Spring and Autumn Period. The prince broke the law and committed the same crime as the common people, let alone a doctor."
Xun Yu reminded embarrassingly: "Your Majesty, not being punished by a doctor is not the privilege of a doctor, but a manifestation of the courtesy of the monarch and his ministers. A scholar can be killed but not humiliated. If a scholar breaks the law, the king can give him death, but not humiliation."
"I agree that scholars can be killed but not humiliated. But it is not only scholars who cannot be humiliated, but also ordinary people. The four peoples are all scholars, and the world is a public. How can we divide officials and ordinary people and treat them differently? Naturally, they should be treated equally. Mr. Xun When discussing matters with the princes of the Second Mansion, you may wish to present my point of view for discussion."
He paused for a moment, emphasizing his tone. "I think Mr. Xun also understands the result of Wang Mang's reversion to the past. We should not repeat the same mistakes. If we want to discuss new laws, we should open up the pattern, get rid of prejudices, and not be self-indulgent. We should go around in the small circle designated by the sages and come up with a set of rules." It seems to be high-sounding, but in fact it cannot be enforced."
"Wei." Xun Yu bowed to accept the order.
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