different warring states of japan
Chapter 618 Excessive Proposal
Chapter 618 Excessive Proposal
Shiba Yoshigin and Takeda Harunobu didn't really care about this matter. The samurai family pays attention to righteousness, but it is strength that really determines the outcome.
Whoever has the bigger fist is right.
The biggest reason for the peace negotiation between the two parties this time is that the Kawanakajima battle was too fierce, and neither of the two families wanted to fight anymore.
The reason is the cutscene, the key is the division of Beixin's ownership, how to ensure that the bottom line of both parties is not broken, and a reliable agreement that will not be torn up at any time can be reached.
The two first mentioned morality, which was the Wu family's face project.No matter what the two sides are actually thinking about, there are good samurai on the table.
The Wu family negotiated, saying that it was really dirty if it was dirty, and it was spotless if it was clean.
The higher you go, the more particular you are, and you are full of benevolence, righteousness, propriety, wisdom and trust.The more you go down, the more barbaric you are, and you talk about land and men's money.
This is the samurai society with complete righteousness, morality and etiquette, and the only way to overcome this blemish is to overcome it.
Chrysanthemum and the Sword?Nonsense, it is obviously a memorial archway and a watch.
The two said a few useless opening remarks, and quickly got to the point.
Yoshihiro Shiba pondered.
"Your Highness Takeda's words are wrong.
The Murakami family and the Ogasawara family are well-known Shinano families, and they have made contributions to the shogunate and the world.
Now that the world is in chaos, the descendants of the Gaomen have a lot of troubles.After you and I are both Hanoi Genji, we should save a bit of dignity for the nobles.
You can't treat His Highness Murakami and His Highness Ogasawara badly. Do you think this is the truth? "
What Yoshihiro Shiba said was also the traditional rule of protecting daimyo.
The Gaojiage warriors in the guardian system all have their origins, and they are almost all relatives for five hundred years.
Whose family has few poor relatives, who can guarantee that they will not be defeated?
Give others a decency today, and this decency will also fall on your descendants in the future.
This is compared with Oda Nobunaga, a mercenary Warring States daimyo, is there no need for p, the Oda family is a rebel faction all the way down.
Oda Nobunaga cut off all the descendants of the Oda family, leaving only his own branch.
She is so good at doing things, will she pay attention to these principles to leave a way for future generations with you?
But Harunobu Takeda was different.
The Takeda family is the guardian of the Kai Kingdom, and Hanoi Genji's lineage ranks second in the guardian system. Her family is actually the beneficiary of the system's favor.
Takeda Nobutora, the last governor of the Takeda family, was able to unify the Kai country, leaving a mess for Takeda Harunobu, but after all, it is a unified Kai country, and it also has the credit of the Takeda family.
Although Takeda Harunobu embarked on the path of expanding the Sengoku daimyo, concentrated a lot of power, and broke through the restrictions of many guardian systems.
But there is one thing she still admits, and that is the benefits of Gao Jiage to herself.
Therefore, the expansion of the Takeda family to various parts of Shinano still left a place for the local noble families, such as the Kiso family and the Suwa family.
Although there are considerations of ruling costs, Takeda Harunobu's attitude towards traditional samurai is definitely much softer than Oda Nobunaga's.
Takeda Harunobu chuckled, bowed slightly to Yoshigin, and said.
"That's what Yutai said.
The world is the world of Genji, and the order of respect and inferiority is the right way.
Now that the countries are in chaos, only the descendants of the Minamoto clan stand up to set things right, in order to continue the prosperity of our descendants. "
Looking at Takeda Harunobu who bowed his head respectfully, staring at her swan-like elegant nape, Shiba Yoshigin couldn't help but roll his eyes.
Takeda Harunobu is a bastard.
She avoids the decency that Yoshigin said, this is not talking about the Takeda family's invasion of the Shinano country, breaking through the constraints of the guardian system.
He even seized the loopholes in Yiyin's words and counterattacked.
The world is in chaos?The shogunate is still there, Ashikaga Yoshiki doesn't want to lose face?
As the Imperial Palace, Shiba Yoshigin bluntly said that the world is in chaos. This is a slap in the face of the shogunate and the face of the Ashikaga family.
Anyone can talk about troubled times, but only the Ashikaga family wants to whitewash the peace, otherwise how can they use their fame to command the world and suppress others.
Yiyin was expressing his sincerity, so he made his words a little more explicit.
Unexpectedly, Takeda's cronies hit the snake with a stick, and insisted that the Takeda family invaded the Shinano country to contribute to maintaining the Genji world.
This is so shameless, it made Yiyin black face in an instant.
Takeda Harunobu covered his mouth and smiled coquettishly, taking advantage of his mouth, but he couldn't really annoy Shiba Yoshigin, so he said.
"However, what Yutai said makes sense.
His Highness Murakami and His Highness Ogasawara's respect is indeed to be given, what do you think? "
Yoshigin looked a little better, but Takeda Harunobu still handed over the olive branch, he said lightly.
"The Murakami territory cannot be returned.
But the Takanashi family is gone, and someone needs to take care of the vacant territory, right?
The Kawanakashima Plain has been fought over by the Murakami Takanashi family for many years. Now that the Takanashi family is not there, they might as well give it to them together, so as to seek peace. "
Takeda Harunobu sneered again and again.
"The imperial platform treated the two Highnesses too well."
No wonder Takeda Harunobu was angry, Shiba Yoshigin's appetite was too great.
In the situation before Beixin, Murakami's family was in the south, and Takanashi's was in the north.The two sides competed for the control of the Chuanzhong Island Plain, and the fight was extremely enjoyable.
If it weren't for the fierce battle between these two families, it would be impossible for the Takeda family to see the opportunity.
Sanada Yutaka defrauded Toishi, and Takeda Harunobu was able to quickly take down the Murakami family.Murakami Yoshiki and the Takanashi family are fighting, which leads to being caught off guard, which is actually the biggest reason.
Now that the Takanashi family has perished, Shiba Yoshigin wants to use the old collar to resettle the Murakami family and the Ogasawara family, and even give the Kawanakajima Plain to the two families. How can Takeda Harunobu not be angry.
This is tantamount to allowing the Bei believers to have all the territories of the Takanashi family and Kawanakajima, and the stone height is no less than [-] shi.
The entire Beixin is only a few hundred thousand stones high. If this is agreed, the Takeda family will be helping Murakami Yoshiki to work.
The Murakami family has moved to another house, and their strength has not diminished, but has skyrocketed.Can the Takeda family see the Murakami family resurgent and stand against the trend?
What's more, Takeda Harunobu did an unscrupulous thing.She arrested and sold all the samurai families near Yantian City who supported the Murakami family to the country of Kai.
The century-old reputation of the Murakami family was shattered, and the local servants who were the basic base were wiped out. Murakami Yoshiki hated Takeda Harunobu to death.
If the power of this local faction that is extremely hostile to the Takeda family is greatly increased, it will be difficult for Takeda Harunobu to sleep well in the future.
She was categorical.
"The Takeda family will never agree to this matter, and please don't think about it at the Imperial Palace."
Yoshihiro Shiba asked back.
"Then what do you think?"
"Kawanakajima can't, the old collar of the Takanashi family can be discussed, but it must be divided between the Murakami family and the Ogasawara family."
Yoshihiro Shiba laughed back angrily, and Harunobu Takeda's proposal also came from poking at the weakness of the Uesugi family.
According to her intention, Zenko Temple became Takeda's territory, and the entire Chuanakajima Plain also belonged to the Takeda family, so the Uesugi family's battle was worthless.
Taking the Chuanakajima Plain, the Takeda family has sufficient logistics.Zenkoji Temple was lost again, and the Togakushi Passage went straight to the Myoko Plateau, and the Echigo Takada Plain was close at hand.
Only the Murakami and Ogasawara families, former leaders of the Takanashi family, could not see the Takeda family's northward advance just by relying on the Iiyama Castle line.
The two families had old grievances earlier, and Takeda Harunobu started picking things up behind his back, and they might fight themselves first.
If Yoshihiro Shiba agrees to this condition, Terutora Uesugi can be overthrown by the Echigo samurai, and the blood of the Uesugi army in Kawanakajima will be in vain.
(End of this chapter)
Shiba Yoshigin and Takeda Harunobu didn't really care about this matter. The samurai family pays attention to righteousness, but it is strength that really determines the outcome.
Whoever has the bigger fist is right.
The biggest reason for the peace negotiation between the two parties this time is that the Kawanakajima battle was too fierce, and neither of the two families wanted to fight anymore.
The reason is the cutscene, the key is the division of Beixin's ownership, how to ensure that the bottom line of both parties is not broken, and a reliable agreement that will not be torn up at any time can be reached.
The two first mentioned morality, which was the Wu family's face project.No matter what the two sides are actually thinking about, there are good samurai on the table.
The Wu family negotiated, saying that it was really dirty if it was dirty, and it was spotless if it was clean.
The higher you go, the more particular you are, and you are full of benevolence, righteousness, propriety, wisdom and trust.The more you go down, the more barbaric you are, and you talk about land and men's money.
This is the samurai society with complete righteousness, morality and etiquette, and the only way to overcome this blemish is to overcome it.
Chrysanthemum and the Sword?Nonsense, it is obviously a memorial archway and a watch.
The two said a few useless opening remarks, and quickly got to the point.
Yoshihiro Shiba pondered.
"Your Highness Takeda's words are wrong.
The Murakami family and the Ogasawara family are well-known Shinano families, and they have made contributions to the shogunate and the world.
Now that the world is in chaos, the descendants of the Gaomen have a lot of troubles.After you and I are both Hanoi Genji, we should save a bit of dignity for the nobles.
You can't treat His Highness Murakami and His Highness Ogasawara badly. Do you think this is the truth? "
What Yoshihiro Shiba said was also the traditional rule of protecting daimyo.
The Gaojiage warriors in the guardian system all have their origins, and they are almost all relatives for five hundred years.
Whose family has few poor relatives, who can guarantee that they will not be defeated?
Give others a decency today, and this decency will also fall on your descendants in the future.
This is compared with Oda Nobunaga, a mercenary Warring States daimyo, is there no need for p, the Oda family is a rebel faction all the way down.
Oda Nobunaga cut off all the descendants of the Oda family, leaving only his own branch.
She is so good at doing things, will she pay attention to these principles to leave a way for future generations with you?
But Harunobu Takeda was different.
The Takeda family is the guardian of the Kai Kingdom, and Hanoi Genji's lineage ranks second in the guardian system. Her family is actually the beneficiary of the system's favor.
Takeda Nobutora, the last governor of the Takeda family, was able to unify the Kai country, leaving a mess for Takeda Harunobu, but after all, it is a unified Kai country, and it also has the credit of the Takeda family.
Although Takeda Harunobu embarked on the path of expanding the Sengoku daimyo, concentrated a lot of power, and broke through the restrictions of many guardian systems.
But there is one thing she still admits, and that is the benefits of Gao Jiage to herself.
Therefore, the expansion of the Takeda family to various parts of Shinano still left a place for the local noble families, such as the Kiso family and the Suwa family.
Although there are considerations of ruling costs, Takeda Harunobu's attitude towards traditional samurai is definitely much softer than Oda Nobunaga's.
Takeda Harunobu chuckled, bowed slightly to Yoshigin, and said.
"That's what Yutai said.
The world is the world of Genji, and the order of respect and inferiority is the right way.
Now that the countries are in chaos, only the descendants of the Minamoto clan stand up to set things right, in order to continue the prosperity of our descendants. "
Looking at Takeda Harunobu who bowed his head respectfully, staring at her swan-like elegant nape, Shiba Yoshigin couldn't help but roll his eyes.
Takeda Harunobu is a bastard.
She avoids the decency that Yoshigin said, this is not talking about the Takeda family's invasion of the Shinano country, breaking through the constraints of the guardian system.
He even seized the loopholes in Yiyin's words and counterattacked.
The world is in chaos?The shogunate is still there, Ashikaga Yoshiki doesn't want to lose face?
As the Imperial Palace, Shiba Yoshigin bluntly said that the world is in chaos. This is a slap in the face of the shogunate and the face of the Ashikaga family.
Anyone can talk about troubled times, but only the Ashikaga family wants to whitewash the peace, otherwise how can they use their fame to command the world and suppress others.
Yiyin was expressing his sincerity, so he made his words a little more explicit.
Unexpectedly, Takeda's cronies hit the snake with a stick, and insisted that the Takeda family invaded the Shinano country to contribute to maintaining the Genji world.
This is so shameless, it made Yiyin black face in an instant.
Takeda Harunobu covered his mouth and smiled coquettishly, taking advantage of his mouth, but he couldn't really annoy Shiba Yoshigin, so he said.
"However, what Yutai said makes sense.
His Highness Murakami and His Highness Ogasawara's respect is indeed to be given, what do you think? "
Yoshigin looked a little better, but Takeda Harunobu still handed over the olive branch, he said lightly.
"The Murakami territory cannot be returned.
But the Takanashi family is gone, and someone needs to take care of the vacant territory, right?
The Kawanakashima Plain has been fought over by the Murakami Takanashi family for many years. Now that the Takanashi family is not there, they might as well give it to them together, so as to seek peace. "
Takeda Harunobu sneered again and again.
"The imperial platform treated the two Highnesses too well."
No wonder Takeda Harunobu was angry, Shiba Yoshigin's appetite was too great.
In the situation before Beixin, Murakami's family was in the south, and Takanashi's was in the north.The two sides competed for the control of the Chuanzhong Island Plain, and the fight was extremely enjoyable.
If it weren't for the fierce battle between these two families, it would be impossible for the Takeda family to see the opportunity.
Sanada Yutaka defrauded Toishi, and Takeda Harunobu was able to quickly take down the Murakami family.Murakami Yoshiki and the Takanashi family are fighting, which leads to being caught off guard, which is actually the biggest reason.
Now that the Takanashi family has perished, Shiba Yoshigin wants to use the old collar to resettle the Murakami family and the Ogasawara family, and even give the Kawanakajima Plain to the two families. How can Takeda Harunobu not be angry.
This is tantamount to allowing the Bei believers to have all the territories of the Takanashi family and Kawanakajima, and the stone height is no less than [-] shi.
The entire Beixin is only a few hundred thousand stones high. If this is agreed, the Takeda family will be helping Murakami Yoshiki to work.
The Murakami family has moved to another house, and their strength has not diminished, but has skyrocketed.Can the Takeda family see the Murakami family resurgent and stand against the trend?
What's more, Takeda Harunobu did an unscrupulous thing.She arrested and sold all the samurai families near Yantian City who supported the Murakami family to the country of Kai.
The century-old reputation of the Murakami family was shattered, and the local servants who were the basic base were wiped out. Murakami Yoshiki hated Takeda Harunobu to death.
If the power of this local faction that is extremely hostile to the Takeda family is greatly increased, it will be difficult for Takeda Harunobu to sleep well in the future.
She was categorical.
"The Takeda family will never agree to this matter, and please don't think about it at the Imperial Palace."
Yoshihiro Shiba asked back.
"Then what do you think?"
"Kawanakajima can't, the old collar of the Takanashi family can be discussed, but it must be divided between the Murakami family and the Ogasawara family."
Yoshihiro Shiba laughed back angrily, and Harunobu Takeda's proposal also came from poking at the weakness of the Uesugi family.
According to her intention, Zenko Temple became Takeda's territory, and the entire Chuanakajima Plain also belonged to the Takeda family, so the Uesugi family's battle was worthless.
Taking the Chuanakajima Plain, the Takeda family has sufficient logistics.Zenkoji Temple was lost again, and the Togakushi Passage went straight to the Myoko Plateau, and the Echigo Takada Plain was close at hand.
Only the Murakami and Ogasawara families, former leaders of the Takanashi family, could not see the Takeda family's northward advance just by relying on the Iiyama Castle line.
The two families had old grievances earlier, and Takeda Harunobu started picking things up behind his back, and they might fight themselves first.
If Yoshihiro Shiba agrees to this condition, Terutora Uesugi can be overthrown by the Echigo samurai, and the blood of the Uesugi army in Kawanakajima will be in vain.
(End of this chapter)
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