Planetary Museum
318 The Moral Dilemma That Doesn’t Exist
In addition to technical limitations, an expert specially invited from the US intelligence agency also explained in detail the strategic shortcomings of the rescue plan.
The speaker is over 70 years old. He was an intelligence officer when he was young. Fortunately, he did not serve for a long time. Now that the confidentiality period has passed, he can speak now.
This gentleman, like Yevgeny, came to this consultation meeting in order to earn a pension and money for his children and grandchildren when he was old.
The old man seemed to be sitting in his own home, and he was still in a wheelchair, but when he spoke, his tone was still forceful: "For the time being, I don't consider the ethical issues of whether replicators are considered human beings, nor do I consider the fact that they came here. The possible impact on the earth after that is just set, the goal of this mission, there is no doubt that such a rescue has no strategic significance."
Wu Xiaoqing listened very carefully. In fact, the search and rescue team had already told him these words, and he knew it in his heart, but... knowing some things is one thing, but actually implementing them is another.
Now Wu Xiaoqing has become smarter, but he has also become more hesitant, because the more he knows, the more he understands the complexity of the world-if he is just the same Wu Xiaoqing from before, just close his eyes and execute the collection team command will do.
But now, Wu Xiaoqing feels that it is necessary for him to try to be responsible for something independently, and try to use his own ideas to complete the task. ——With Wu Xiaoqing's current IQ, it is easy to think that this is obviously the purpose of the search and rescue team suggesting that he perform the operation.
But judging from the current situation, his thoughts are not very optimistic.
In fact, Wu Xiaoqing knew from the very beginning that it would be very difficult to bring Wu Qing and the others back to Earth.
As the search and rescue team said, in fact, from the moment they were copied, they were no longer earthlings or belonged to earth civilization.
They are just some Federation people with the memory of Earth.
"Even if we need to rescue them back, the best time is not now," the intelligence officer continued, "Now is the time of war for the entire Federation, this civilization is really facing great uncertainty, and the survival of a civilization In comparison, some individuals created by this civilization are nothing."
"I think the most important core of the whole task now is not how to save these people, but to convey our opinions to them through the channel of the server, to convince them to recognize their current situation, and to convince them that the top priority to do now is not to think Focusing on how to return to Earth, but to make a more critical contribution to the Federation..."
Wu Xiaoqing put down the earphones, he could guess the next words without listening.
Wu Xiaoqing stayed in his seat for more than ten minutes. After confirming that the intelligence officer had finished his speech, he put on his earphones again and returned to the venue.
Rao Xin is making a concluding speech: "...I am not a person who cares about morality, especially when it comes to such a huge proposition as the existence of the entire civilization..."
"...Because morality itself is nothing but a product of civilization, and because morality ignores the safety of civilization itself, there is no doubt that cause and effect are reversed."
"But there is one thing I must remind everyone. In this event setting, morality and the safety of civilization are not completely in conflict. We are now breaking through morality as the center of the issue. In fact, in my opinion, It's just a manifestation of the self-righteousness of our earth people-deliberately setting up some kind of obstacle, and then deliberately overcoming it, in the hope of gaining a certain sense of self-convincing solemnity, just like a general asking soldiers to accomplish their goals at all costs-but In fact, we all know that there is no so-called “whatever it takes” in the military, if it is really at all costs, it means that the risk of the entire army is highly uncontrollable, this is the general’s strategic failure, not the reason for sacrificing soldiers.”
"In this setting, the dilemma we have is a couple of sims that have been copied into alien computers."
"Based on the morality of people on Earth, we take it for granted that we must rescue them, and we take it for granted that it is a kind of pain, but in fact it is unnecessary."
"According to the technical settings, in fact, these replicants have no basis for surviving on the earth. Even if they return to the earth, we will not be able to provide them with a corresponding living space and a reasonable way of life - even the simplest Even the robot body can’t be completed. What kind of feeling is this—they can still be a normal person in the virtual world, but when they return to the earth, it is basically tantamount to death. Is this a kind of morality for them? "
"But from another perspective, what if we look at all this with the moral outlook of the Federation people, or even, with the moral outlook of the intelligence?"
"That's the environment in which they're really living, and that's the environment in which this problem occurs."
"Obviously there are two viewpoints among the federal people. One of course is that they do not recognize the human rights of duplicators, but please note that they do not recognize the digitized personality, just because this kind of personality will infringe on the natural nature of the original personality. power, and it is natural persons that their laws need to protect above all."
"But here, it is obvious that these copied earthlings are not protected by federal laws, that is to say, under the framework of federal laws, they have not touched anyone's interests—not to mention whether they are legal or not, At least their presence is not illegal."
"This legal basis is also the reason why the federal government must find these three cloned earthlings. Obviously, the federal government is eager to quickly apply this technology in the military field, and the federal government is the legal government representing their civilization— I want to say, at least, these three replicants will not be able to find a job in the federation."
"No matter how miserable they are, they can still live in the Federation in the future. Maybe that is not the good life we expected, but at least they are alive. What if they return to Earth? Can our technology guarantee that they can continue to 'live'?"
"You see, saving the earth is tantamount to death. If you put it in the Federation, you can at least live. This is the first level, the morality of survival."
"Of course, we can imagine that if they really serve the federal government, their life will definitely not be comfortable. Someone mentioned before that this is a new type of slave army under the condition of advanced technology. I basically agree with this judgment. On our earth It’s certainly an evil to the moral audience of the human race, and indeed, to a large extent in the Commonwealth.”
"However, the biggest practical problem now is that the opponents of the federation, the intelligent body, and their army are also in the same pattern."
"Now we can basically understand why the intelligent army is not afraid of consumption. In the Black Star Battle, it fought several times, or even ten times the casualty rate, but it was the Federation with more resources who feared What about such a war of attrition?"
"The reason is simple. The Federation has insufficient soldiers. Why don't the intelligences have this kind of worry? Because they are data themselves, and they are civilizations produced under this new type of technological conditions."
"If we want to use morality, we should not use our human morality to speculate on this brand-new life model, but look at how they themselves see themselves."
"In fact, from a practical point of view, the article of replicability has fully demonstrated that they don't care about being used."
"In my opinion, we humans, and even most creatures, are afraid of death and slavery, to a large extent because our consciousness is imprisoned in the body, and we realize that our experience in this world has and is only precious. once."
"What if we are like in the mythical world, life can be infinitely reincarnated and exist infinitely many times? There is a term in Buddhism called Six Realms of Reincarnation. It doesn't matter if life is hard in this life. As long as you survive it, you will have a better chance in your next life. Like buying a lottery ticket, if you are a beast in this life, you may be a human being in your next life, or even a lucky person.”
"And this kind of data-based life obviously has more life tension than reincarnation. What is a death to them? A life to them may be as valuable as a cell to us. You will because of yourself Do you feel sad about the withering of a cell? Do you feel emotional because of the dirt you rub off your body when you take a bath? They are all part of the human body, they are apoptotic cells, and they are dead lives.”
"We won't, why? The reason is very simple. On a larger scale, the macroscopic possibility of the entire living body still exists, because as long as we are still alive, new cells will continue to be produced."
"The same is true for data life."
"We have no reason to think that they will be afraid of death, because they will not die naturally. From the moment they are digitized, they have completely surpassed the human existence mode. They will not die or grow old. From this By definition, they are gods."
"The war between the federation and the intelligent body, in my opinion, is the war between humans and gods, so in the federation's virtual war game, humans have no chance of winning at all. And the federation is trying to find the three replicas , in a large sense, it is not looking for slaves, but trying to find the possibility of God."
"We can even imagine the influence they will gain in this civilization when the replicas of these three people fully join the Federation's fleet and finally help the Federation win! Everyone still wants to sympathize with them now... In my opinion , it is unnecessary.”
"We can understand that they want to come back, but we must also see rationally that no matter from which point of view, staying in the Federation is the best way out for these people."
After Rao Xin's speech, he won a round of applause. Even Wu Xiaoqing in the office had to admit that Rao Xin's words really moved him—it could even be said that he completely changed his mind.
Compared with Rao Xin's perspective, my own thinking seems so narrow and ridiculous, is it just because there is a copy of myself among them?
The search and rescue team chose to keep Rao Xin at the beginning. I have to say that his vision is indeed very tricky. Rao Xin does have a certain quality that they do not have.
After the meeting, Wu Xiaoqing also had a special phone call with Rao Xin - he was not in the company, he was still traveling in other places, when he was talking just now, he was still in a hotel in the tourist area, and he was helping the company to work remotely .
Wu Xiaoqing originally wanted to test whether his words were the result of communicating with the search and rescue team - if the search and rescue team had a similar communication with him first, then Wu Xiaoqing would not doubt it at all.But Rao Xin obviously didn't—in fact, many of the questions came to him at the venue after listening to others, and they were improvised.
"We all write novels like this," Rao Xin said nonchalantly, "Anyway, it's just bragging. Do you understand grand narratives...just bragging in a big direction."
Wu Xiaoqing couldn't tell him that what he was bragging about was highly consistent with what the search and rescue team had faintly revealed.
As soon as he put down the phone, Shen Changwen walked into his office, followed by Xu Yan, both of them blushed: "We got in touch! We got in touch with them!"
Wu Xiaoqing stood up subconsciously: "Are you sure it's him... us?"
"Basically sure, I talked to myself...Xu Yan also, this feeling, you really should try it, but it's a pity you're not here."
Wu Xiaoqing turned to look at Xu Yan, Xu Yan nodded again and again, proving that what Shen Changwen said was true: "They were also very excited...but...I cried."
"Are you crying?"
"It's another me," Xu Yan said, "He didn't know that he was copied until now."
Wu Xiaoqing could imagine what kind of blow this would be to the duplicate Xu Yan.
Xu Yan smiled wryly: "He's still planning to spend the money I saved after returning to Earth!"
"What about me?" Wu Xiaoqing continued to ask.
"You... are calmer," Xu Yan looked at Shen Changwen hesitantly, and then continued, "There is also the copy of the professor... You seem to have changed your mind, it seems... you don't really want to come back."
The speaker is over 70 years old. He was an intelligence officer when he was young. Fortunately, he did not serve for a long time. Now that the confidentiality period has passed, he can speak now.
This gentleman, like Yevgeny, came to this consultation meeting in order to earn a pension and money for his children and grandchildren when he was old.
The old man seemed to be sitting in his own home, and he was still in a wheelchair, but when he spoke, his tone was still forceful: "For the time being, I don't consider the ethical issues of whether replicators are considered human beings, nor do I consider the fact that they came here. The possible impact on the earth after that is just set, the goal of this mission, there is no doubt that such a rescue has no strategic significance."
Wu Xiaoqing listened very carefully. In fact, the search and rescue team had already told him these words, and he knew it in his heart, but... knowing some things is one thing, but actually implementing them is another.
Now Wu Xiaoqing has become smarter, but he has also become more hesitant, because the more he knows, the more he understands the complexity of the world-if he is just the same Wu Xiaoqing from before, just close his eyes and execute the collection team command will do.
But now, Wu Xiaoqing feels that it is necessary for him to try to be responsible for something independently, and try to use his own ideas to complete the task. ——With Wu Xiaoqing's current IQ, it is easy to think that this is obviously the purpose of the search and rescue team suggesting that he perform the operation.
But judging from the current situation, his thoughts are not very optimistic.
In fact, Wu Xiaoqing knew from the very beginning that it would be very difficult to bring Wu Qing and the others back to Earth.
As the search and rescue team said, in fact, from the moment they were copied, they were no longer earthlings or belonged to earth civilization.
They are just some Federation people with the memory of Earth.
"Even if we need to rescue them back, the best time is not now," the intelligence officer continued, "Now is the time of war for the entire Federation, this civilization is really facing great uncertainty, and the survival of a civilization In comparison, some individuals created by this civilization are nothing."
"I think the most important core of the whole task now is not how to save these people, but to convey our opinions to them through the channel of the server, to convince them to recognize their current situation, and to convince them that the top priority to do now is not to think Focusing on how to return to Earth, but to make a more critical contribution to the Federation..."
Wu Xiaoqing put down the earphones, he could guess the next words without listening.
Wu Xiaoqing stayed in his seat for more than ten minutes. After confirming that the intelligence officer had finished his speech, he put on his earphones again and returned to the venue.
Rao Xin is making a concluding speech: "...I am not a person who cares about morality, especially when it comes to such a huge proposition as the existence of the entire civilization..."
"...Because morality itself is nothing but a product of civilization, and because morality ignores the safety of civilization itself, there is no doubt that cause and effect are reversed."
"But there is one thing I must remind everyone. In this event setting, morality and the safety of civilization are not completely in conflict. We are now breaking through morality as the center of the issue. In fact, in my opinion, It's just a manifestation of the self-righteousness of our earth people-deliberately setting up some kind of obstacle, and then deliberately overcoming it, in the hope of gaining a certain sense of self-convincing solemnity, just like a general asking soldiers to accomplish their goals at all costs-but In fact, we all know that there is no so-called “whatever it takes” in the military, if it is really at all costs, it means that the risk of the entire army is highly uncontrollable, this is the general’s strategic failure, not the reason for sacrificing soldiers.”
"In this setting, the dilemma we have is a couple of sims that have been copied into alien computers."
"Based on the morality of people on Earth, we take it for granted that we must rescue them, and we take it for granted that it is a kind of pain, but in fact it is unnecessary."
"According to the technical settings, in fact, these replicants have no basis for surviving on the earth. Even if they return to the earth, we will not be able to provide them with a corresponding living space and a reasonable way of life - even the simplest Even the robot body can’t be completed. What kind of feeling is this—they can still be a normal person in the virtual world, but when they return to the earth, it is basically tantamount to death. Is this a kind of morality for them? "
"But from another perspective, what if we look at all this with the moral outlook of the Federation people, or even, with the moral outlook of the intelligence?"
"That's the environment in which they're really living, and that's the environment in which this problem occurs."
"Obviously there are two viewpoints among the federal people. One of course is that they do not recognize the human rights of duplicators, but please note that they do not recognize the digitized personality, just because this kind of personality will infringe on the natural nature of the original personality. power, and it is natural persons that their laws need to protect above all."
"But here, it is obvious that these copied earthlings are not protected by federal laws, that is to say, under the framework of federal laws, they have not touched anyone's interests—not to mention whether they are legal or not, At least their presence is not illegal."
"This legal basis is also the reason why the federal government must find these three cloned earthlings. Obviously, the federal government is eager to quickly apply this technology in the military field, and the federal government is the legal government representing their civilization— I want to say, at least, these three replicants will not be able to find a job in the federation."
"No matter how miserable they are, they can still live in the Federation in the future. Maybe that is not the good life we expected, but at least they are alive. What if they return to Earth? Can our technology guarantee that they can continue to 'live'?"
"You see, saving the earth is tantamount to death. If you put it in the Federation, you can at least live. This is the first level, the morality of survival."
"Of course, we can imagine that if they really serve the federal government, their life will definitely not be comfortable. Someone mentioned before that this is a new type of slave army under the condition of advanced technology. I basically agree with this judgment. On our earth It’s certainly an evil to the moral audience of the human race, and indeed, to a large extent in the Commonwealth.”
"However, the biggest practical problem now is that the opponents of the federation, the intelligent body, and their army are also in the same pattern."
"Now we can basically understand why the intelligent army is not afraid of consumption. In the Black Star Battle, it fought several times, or even ten times the casualty rate, but it was the Federation with more resources who feared What about such a war of attrition?"
"The reason is simple. The Federation has insufficient soldiers. Why don't the intelligences have this kind of worry? Because they are data themselves, and they are civilizations produced under this new type of technological conditions."
"If we want to use morality, we should not use our human morality to speculate on this brand-new life model, but look at how they themselves see themselves."
"In fact, from a practical point of view, the article of replicability has fully demonstrated that they don't care about being used."
"In my opinion, we humans, and even most creatures, are afraid of death and slavery, to a large extent because our consciousness is imprisoned in the body, and we realize that our experience in this world has and is only precious. once."
"What if we are like in the mythical world, life can be infinitely reincarnated and exist infinitely many times? There is a term in Buddhism called Six Realms of Reincarnation. It doesn't matter if life is hard in this life. As long as you survive it, you will have a better chance in your next life. Like buying a lottery ticket, if you are a beast in this life, you may be a human being in your next life, or even a lucky person.”
"And this kind of data-based life obviously has more life tension than reincarnation. What is a death to them? A life to them may be as valuable as a cell to us. You will because of yourself Do you feel sad about the withering of a cell? Do you feel emotional because of the dirt you rub off your body when you take a bath? They are all part of the human body, they are apoptotic cells, and they are dead lives.”
"We won't, why? The reason is very simple. On a larger scale, the macroscopic possibility of the entire living body still exists, because as long as we are still alive, new cells will continue to be produced."
"The same is true for data life."
"We have no reason to think that they will be afraid of death, because they will not die naturally. From the moment they are digitized, they have completely surpassed the human existence mode. They will not die or grow old. From this By definition, they are gods."
"The war between the federation and the intelligent body, in my opinion, is the war between humans and gods, so in the federation's virtual war game, humans have no chance of winning at all. And the federation is trying to find the three replicas , in a large sense, it is not looking for slaves, but trying to find the possibility of God."
"We can even imagine the influence they will gain in this civilization when the replicas of these three people fully join the Federation's fleet and finally help the Federation win! Everyone still wants to sympathize with them now... In my opinion , it is unnecessary.”
"We can understand that they want to come back, but we must also see rationally that no matter from which point of view, staying in the Federation is the best way out for these people."
After Rao Xin's speech, he won a round of applause. Even Wu Xiaoqing in the office had to admit that Rao Xin's words really moved him—it could even be said that he completely changed his mind.
Compared with Rao Xin's perspective, my own thinking seems so narrow and ridiculous, is it just because there is a copy of myself among them?
The search and rescue team chose to keep Rao Xin at the beginning. I have to say that his vision is indeed very tricky. Rao Xin does have a certain quality that they do not have.
After the meeting, Wu Xiaoqing also had a special phone call with Rao Xin - he was not in the company, he was still traveling in other places, when he was talking just now, he was still in a hotel in the tourist area, and he was helping the company to work remotely .
Wu Xiaoqing originally wanted to test whether his words were the result of communicating with the search and rescue team - if the search and rescue team had a similar communication with him first, then Wu Xiaoqing would not doubt it at all.But Rao Xin obviously didn't—in fact, many of the questions came to him at the venue after listening to others, and they were improvised.
"We all write novels like this," Rao Xin said nonchalantly, "Anyway, it's just bragging. Do you understand grand narratives...just bragging in a big direction."
Wu Xiaoqing couldn't tell him that what he was bragging about was highly consistent with what the search and rescue team had faintly revealed.
As soon as he put down the phone, Shen Changwen walked into his office, followed by Xu Yan, both of them blushed: "We got in touch! We got in touch with them!"
Wu Xiaoqing stood up subconsciously: "Are you sure it's him... us?"
"Basically sure, I talked to myself...Xu Yan also, this feeling, you really should try it, but it's a pity you're not here."
Wu Xiaoqing turned to look at Xu Yan, Xu Yan nodded again and again, proving that what Shen Changwen said was true: "They were also very excited...but...I cried."
"Are you crying?"
"It's another me," Xu Yan said, "He didn't know that he was copied until now."
Wu Xiaoqing could imagine what kind of blow this would be to the duplicate Xu Yan.
Xu Yan smiled wryly: "He's still planning to spend the money I saved after returning to Earth!"
"What about me?" Wu Xiaoqing continued to ask.
"You... are calmer," Xu Yan looked at Shen Changwen hesitantly, and then continued, "There is also the copy of the professor... You seem to have changed your mind, it seems... you don't really want to come back."
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