Anti-Qing: I'm actually an honest person

Chapter 128 On Politics (7k Super Cup)
Yu Chenglong's words, although the tone of voice is very light, but to Liu Dapao's ears, it is like a bolt from the blue, and the first reaction is that he really thinks... what he said seems to be quite reasonable.

After all, the Three Massacres in Jiading, the Ten Days in Yangzhou, the reclamation of Huguang and the banning of the sea, all these wicked and smoldering things seem to have happened in the south.

Putting aside the aspect of national sentiment, the oppression faced by ordinary people in the north is nothing more than the arrogance and domineering of the Eight Banners soldiers.

But in the early Qing Dynasty, there were actually very, very few Eight Banners soldiers stationed abroad when there was no war in various places. Half of the Eight Banners were stationed in the capital, and the remaining half were either in their hometown in Liaodong or near Zhili. It has only become common practice to be stationed in important cities and towns. Even if the Eight Banners are stationed in other places, they are temporary in nature, such as his Chaozhou City. Normally, if the abolition of the San Francisco goes smoothly, Hao Duo will definitely be transferred at that time.

That is to say, except for the people in Zhili directly facing the Eight Banners soldiers, and the ethnic hatred is particularly sharp, I am afraid that other places will not feel much about it. After all, no matter how bad you say about the Manchus, it is so bad. Sores and pus on the soles of the feet, but the vast majority of ordinary people may never see a Eight Banners soldier in their lives.

And according to what Jackie Chan said, places like Shanxi and Shanxi have changed from places where they fought wars to good places to do business, and they have suddenly changed from the poorest province in the country to the richest province in the country.

National justice?Can I eat it?

And if we think a little more under this logic, among the northern provinces, Shandong is the one most affected by the border relocation and the forbidden sea. When Jing Nan raised his troops in Shandong, there was an iron-headed mountain cannon in Shandong, which caused him heavy casualties. He was particularly harsh on the people of Shandong in order to retaliate, which led to the special prosperity of the White Lotus Sect in Shandong. The rule of this place became more and more severe, and the more severe it was, the more prosperous the White Lotus Sect became, and then it became a vicious circle. The lives of ordinary people in Shandong seemed to be uncomfortable throughout the Ming Dynasty.

The reaction of the people in the south is completely opposite. After all, whether it is the scholar-bureaucrat class, the powerful landlord class, or the common people class, they were actually doing well during the Ming Dynasty, at least they could survive, and nothing broke out at the end of the Ming Dynasty. Too large an uprising.

As a result, when the Qing soldiers came, oh my god~ I can’t live anymore~ Let’s fight against his mother~
In this way, many things can be explained. For example, why at the beginning of Wu Sangui's army, the entire south of the Yangtze River responded in a crowd. The main force of the Qing army.

For example, why Wang Fuchen is clearly Wu Sangui's old department, and there are even sayings that he is Wu Sangui's adopted son, but at the beginning of the war, he himself did not want to rebel against the Qing. No one followed him, but instead helped Tu Hai to kick him around.

For example, why during this period, the uprising of the third prince Zhu San broke out in the capital and Zhili's heartland, almost scaring Kangxi back to his hometown, but there was almost no big movement in other northern provinces.

For example, why the influence of Tiandihui can be developed in full swing in the southern provinces, but in the north, except for the Zhili part, the development of other branches is a bit unsatisfactory.

Thinking about it this way, it seems that among the famous officials of the Han nationality in the early Qing Dynasty, there were indeed far more northerners than southerners, and far more people from Shanxi than other provinces, which was exactly the opposite of that in the Ming Dynasty.

Unfortunately, Yu Chenglong himself is from Shanxi.

In this way, it naturally makes sense, why would such a man of high moral character be loyal to the traitor of the Qing Dynasty.

At first thought, it seems that... there is indeed some truth, but after careful consideration, it seems that something is not right.

However, there is a premise here that has been ignored: the Ming and Qing Dynasties did not start from Shunzhi. This battle has been fought for more than 40 years. The resistance of the northerners is obviously smaller. In these 40 years of intermittent wars, has the potential for war been exhausted long ago?Otherwise, the Manchu Tartars might not be able to enter.

This has always been the case in history. Is it because the main opponents of our nation have always come from the north?

The heroes are all dead, so the rest will appear to be more traitors.

From the point of view proposed by Yu Chenglong, it seems to be the same: most northerners feel less pain about the entry of the Manchu Qing Dynasty than southerners. Could it be because the common people in the north were actually in the late Ming and early Qing dynasties? It's already miserable, Man Qing just wants to squeeze, so there's no room to squeeze it?
It's already bottomed out, no matter what, he always rebounds.

So Liu Dapao thought about it and thought about it, but he really became a little interested. He simply found a big rock by the sea, pulled Yu Chenglong to sit down, and gave him a cigar, and gave it to him personally. On the other hand, seeing that he didn't know how to smoke, he followed suit, and then he asked a question sincerely: "The life of ordinary people in Shanxi and Shaanxi is better than that in the late Ming Dynasty, even much better. I believe , but this day is getting better, is it because the rule of the Manchu Qing court is better than the rule of the former Ming Dynasty, or because of... peace?",

Yu Chenglong was also stunned for a moment when he heard the words. At this time, the two of them met frankly, and there was nothing to hide. Liu Dapao himself admired Jackie Chan's integrity, and Yu Chenglong, to be honest, also admired Liu Dapao from the bottom of his heart. Dapao, seeing that Liu Dapao seemed to really want to discuss with him, but he simply sat down with him and started a real chat.

"Why, do you think my words are unreasonable, do you think I have no backbone, do you think that we Shanxi people and even all northerners have no backbone? Do you want to say that the peace bought by surrender is sorry for the efforts of the heroes of the past? Or is it that traitors like me are not worthy to represent Shanxi people, only Cao Wenzhao, Chen Qiyu, and Sun Chuanting can truly represent Shanxi people, and I even feel that I have lost the face of my ancestors Wei Qing, Huo Qubing, Di Qing, Xue Rengui and other famous generals?"

"I don't mean that. I believe in geographical determinism. The location of Shanxi is destined to gather famous generals and merchants before the arrival of marine civilization, and heroes and traitors will live together. In fact, you have said so much, it is nothing more than eight words : People in troubled times are not as good as Taiping dogs. Right? Even pigs and dogs are not as good as dogs, let alone slaves? Is that what you mean?"

Hearing this, Yu Chenglong couldn't help but his face changed quite a bit.

Because he said so much, he really meant this in essence, and this meaning came out of Liu Dapao's mouth, and it really didn't sound very good.

Like Liu Dapao, he took a puff of cigarettes. Fortunately, cigars would not be too difficult for a novice to smoke. He coughed a little and said: "The Ming and Qing wars have been fought for more than forty years. Two or three generations, if the previous Wala Tatars are also counted, it will run through the entire Ming Dynasty. The battle between the Qing Dynasty was the Ming court's final victory. Even if the barbarians can be driven away and the foreign barbarians submit, and the war is also over, the lives of the people in the northern borders of our country will become better. At that time, it will naturally be the Holy Lord Zhongxing, The common people live and work in peace and contentment, but is this possible?"

Liu Dapao thought for a while and said: "If you look at it from the Ming Dynasty, it is indeed impossible. The so-called Han and Tang Dynasties, it is impossible to reproduce in the hands of ordinary feudal dynasties, because the Han and Tang Dynasties are in the final analysis because of the grassland people. Too weak. Since the establishment of Khitan, the grassland people have indeed risen both in terms of system and technology. After all, Li Jingxue’s night attack on the Turks in the Tang Dynasty was nothing more than bringing three thousand elites. Thousands of elites attacked Huang Taiji at night, and they didn't even know how they died. In the final analysis, this may not be because the present is not as good as it used to be, but the opponent has already been reborn. It may be possible to defend the land and defend the frontier, but they want to fight out, and want to seal the wolf and live in Xu , basically impossible, and a hundred more Huo Qubing would be useless."

Yu Chenglong sighed and said: "That's right. Since the establishment of the Ming Dynasty, in fact, in the more than three hundred years since the establishment of the Ming Dynasty, there have been few years when there was no real war. The southerners read books, the northerners fought wars, and the emperor guarded the gate. The momentum is majestic, but the blood from all over the border has been sucked dry, and this battle will never be over."

"You're right, that's what I think, and I know that the vast majority of the people in the northern border must also think the same way. People in troubled times are not as good as peace dogs. We don't want to be people in troubled times anymore. We would rather be Is it not possible for a slave in a peaceful and prosperous age? Is there anything wrong? At least there have been no wars in the past few decades, and the Man-Han family, although it is said that the Man-Han ruled the Han, at least there will be no more Man-Han wars in the future, my lord Adhere to the lectures on the feast day, learn our Han culture, respect our Han traditions, I know this is a superficiality, but as long as this superficiality can be maintained, isn’t it also the best choice for the people of the world?”

Liu Dapao smoked a cigarette for a while when he heard the words, and said: "You are right to think so. The Manchu Qing is not useless, and it still has merits. So far, it has become the largest area of ​​Chinese civilization. The largest, and probably the longest-surviving feudal dynasty in history if I don't get involved. But do you know what the essence of such a rule is?"

"what?"

"Not resolving conflicts"

"what?"

"The rulers of all dynasties have always focused on solving domestic problems and resisting foreign enemies. The two often complement each other and gradually grow stronger. When this contradiction cannot be resolved, the dynasty collapses. The Manchu Dynasty is different. , the Manchu Qing Dynasty was the only unified regime in history that included the three climatic zones of grassland, plain, and plateau, which combined his internal contradictions with external contradictions. Externally, there were almost no real enemies. The conflict with the plains has become a real internal affair.

"But this actually made the internal contradictions of the Manchu Dynasty far more complicated than other dynasties. The Yuan Dynasty was very similar to it, because it failed to resolve various internal contradictions, so its life was short and it died. The point is that he achieved a delicate balance of power by transferring contradictions, which is the so-called check and balance. Through Manchu, Han, Mongolian, Hui, and Tibetan, these five ethnic groups together constitute the foundation of the Manchu Qing. It checks and balances each other and continuously shifts the contradictions, so that although all the contradictions accumulate, they cannot burst out. If it is simply understood, it can also be roughly understood as that it cleverly transfers class contradictions into ethnic contradictions, and through the five ethnic groups. Checking and balancing, allowing the people of the five ethnic groups to realize the coexistence of contradictions, this is the wisdom of the rulers of the Qing Dynasty, and I also recognize this."

Yu Chenglong was stunned.

"Don't understand?"

"Looks like I don't understand"

"For example, the biggest problem of the grassland nation is its successor. It is almost necessary to ensure that the successor itself is strong in order to maintain the stability of the grassland regime. Otherwise, there will be chaos if there is a slight discord, and the whole regime will fall apart if it is a little serious. , In fact, this was also the most serious problem of the Manchu Qing Dynasty before. From Nurhachi to Huang Taiji, and from Huang Taiji to Shunzhi, every time the power of the heir was handed over, there would be a lot of troubles. However, the succession from Shunzhi to Kangxi was relatively In comparison, it was already much smoother, an eight-year-old doll actually sat firmly in the position, and the obstacle he faced was nothing more than an Oboi, and Oboi died like a joke. "

Yu Chenglong also nodded when he heard the words: "Everyone with a discerning eye can see that the real power of the king's meeting to discuss politics is getting smaller and smaller. I think this just proves that the Manchus have been influenced by our Han people since they entered the customs. It was a matter of time before they merged into the Han Dynasty. Although the Manchu Qing conquered us by force, we also assimilated them culturally.”

"It's just an appearance."

"Then dare to ask, what is the essence?"

"The essence is that the vast amount of wealth that the Manchus gained from plundering the Central Plains was buying the grassland peoples, that is, themselves. Through the so-called hard-core crops of the Manchu Eight Banners and the Mongolian Eight Banners, they had to admit their orthodox Aixinjueluo Believe it or not, once they return to their hometown outside the Guan, Aixinjueluo will not be able to continue to provide excess wealth for the entire grassland civilization, and Aixinjueluo will die a miserable death."

"Similarly, the Eight Banners of Manchuria and Mongolia, in turn, became a butcher's knife to oppress the Han people. In this way, on the contrary, this butcher's knife can be used to resolve various contradictions within the Han people in a relatively tough way, making ethnic conflicts Instead of class contradictions, and this class contradiction is mixed with the Mongolian and Hui races, so that the Manchu and Han conflicts can be buffered through other methods such as Manchu and Mongolian conflicts, Han Hui conflicts, etc. For example, when the conflicts cannot be suppressed, the Manchu and Han Jointly beat back the people, or the Manchus and Mongolians jointly suppressed the Han people, etc., to carry out orderly release, as long as the guidance is good, so that the Manchus are always in a peaceful position, the so-called long-term peace and stability is indeed possible.”

The analysis of these words was penetrating, and even Yu Chenglong couldn't help but applaud for it, and praised it as wonderful.

But he said: "As you said, wouldn't it be great for the world to have long-term peace and order for a long time?"

"No, not at all."

"Why is this? Isn't this what the ancient and modern sages all expected and pursued?"

"The Datong world pursued by ancient and modern sages is an ideal land where there are no contradictions, or where all contradictions can be resolved. What the Manchus pursue is that all contradictions are continuously transferred through the big proposition of the fusion of five ethnic groups. The coexistence of contradictions, in my understanding, is to make do with it.”

"However, the pain caused by contradictions will not disappear. In such a long period of peace and stability, it will only continue to penetrate into the bone marrow of the people and the country until people become numb because of it, and the people's tolerance for pain will continue to increase, that is to say , Under such a set of political rules, what can be established is only a prosperous age of hunger."

"To be specific, first, the oppression of the Han people by the Manchus will never stop, because Aixinjueluo must guarantee the support of the Manchus and the grassland peoples, which is the cornerstone of their rule. Support is essentially a complete waste of huge wealth, which does not generate any income, let alone feed back to the people."

"Secondly, they must protect the oppressive power of the grassland people over the Han people. This is also the basis for their rule of the world. Only when they are suppressed can they afford support. It is very straightforward logic. However, after the grassland people entered the Central Plains, they became corrupted. It is inevitable, and in order to maintain this suppression, in addition to finding various ways to train the Eight Banners, the most effective way is to weaken the Han people, and do everything possible to weaken the Han people, even at the expense of self-castration.

In other words, the so-called Man-Han family is a false proposition from the root. Kangxi, not to mention just a daily feast, even if the whole person soaked in the scriptures, is destined to be nothing but a show. The oppression and exploitation of the Han people by the Manchus is not Because they are bad, but the root of the existence of the Manchu regime, this oppression and exploitation is the Manchu court itself. "

"And I can tell you very responsibly that there is actually a third factor in this model of the Manchu Qing Dynasty, that is, under the continuous corruption of the Manchu Eight Banners and the self-castration of the Han people, the entire country and society are under go down.

You know, during the century-old competition between Song and Khitan, one learned to smelt iron and porcelain, and was the first grassland regime with a relatively stable central court, while the other initially developed gunpowder weapons that could be used in actual combat in the early stage The splendor of the Northern Song Dynasty in terms of culture and economy is also undeniable. Even in the Southern Song Dynasty, the Maritime Silk Road was opened up and Champa rice was introduced;
By the time the Ming and Qing were at war, Liaodong Manchu and Qing had the ability to make cannons. Huang Taiji’s development of production in Liaodong even had a bit of an industrial flavor, and the Ming court also produced Xu Guangqi, and at least made red cannons and Flang machine guns, the emergence of capitalism in the south of the Yangtze River, Zheng Zhilong and Zheng Chenggong can be regarded as participating in the era of great navigation. Although the war has brought great pain and trauma, the overall society is constantly improving, and everyone compares who is better powerful. "

"You see, I am not a pure nationalist. I recognize the splendid civilization of Khitan and the incomparable heroism of Genghis Khan. I can even admit that Huang Taiji is a once-in-a-century hero. I admire him in my heart. I have to admit that he is a great person. Among the emperors of the Ming Dynasty, no one can compare with him except Taizu. However, under the political system of the Qing court, the so-called internal competition will inevitably slide to Bichan, in the midst of painful contradictions, is intoxicated in the dream of so-called long-term peace and stability."

"Yu Chenglong, you have been in Chaozhou for a few days. Have you met the Dutch? Have you gotten to know them? Do you know that their country actually has only 200 million people? Do you know what it means? You know How many countries like the Netherlands are there in Europe? We are making great strides to retreat from the competition, and the world will not wait for us. Can the peace you expect really be long-lasting?"

"You said that people in troubled times are not as good as Taiping Dogs. I agree with your point of view, but as a human being, if you work hard, you still have a chance to win. Otherwise, what is waiting for us is not you and my generation who are Taiping Dogs, but generations after generations. I have to be a so-called dog of peace. And when the Dutch, Europeans, or people from other countries come again one day, our descendants may neither be a person who disturbs the world nor a dog of peace, but can only Become a dog in troubled times."

"So I think you are wrong. I would rather be a troubled person and fight to the death than let myself and my children and grandchildren be dogs. For the great cause, I am not afraid of death. Yu Jackie, are you afraid of death?"

When Yu Chenglong heard the words, he immediately ran out of battery.

He thought he had seen the essence of the problem, but he felt as if he had been thoroughly understood by Liu Dapao.

After a while, the whole talent suddenly hunched down, and said: "If I was afraid of death, you wouldn't talk to me so much, you... are very wise, what you said is very reasonable and very meaningful. Incendiary, I was almost moved by your persuasion."

"almost?"

"When you raise troops, you say that breaking the sky is nothing more than breaking the southeast. How can it be compared to Nanming back then? Even if you guard the Yangtze River, will the Qing Dynasty be willing? The people of the world can't be beaten anymore. You bring them It can only be a disaster. In the end, people in the world can’t say that they still want to be dogs. How can the people live? And even if you can really recover the Central Plains, do you still have the ability to break into the grassland? If so, wouldn’t it be another A long and endless war? You say you don’t want your children and grandchildren to be peace dogs, but as the war continues, aren’t your children and grandchildren destined to be people in troubled times? People in troubled times are not as good as peace dogs. You also agree, right? So, aren't you still a traitor?"

When Liu Dapao heard the words, he actually nodded.

"If it was Wu Sangui who started the army, what you said is really right, but with me here, what you said is wrong."

“How come you see?”

"As I said just now, Huang Taiji is a once-in-a-century outstanding man, but do you believe me, I, in our Tiandihui, is called a sage descended from the heavens who has not been seen in 3000 years. If Huang Taiji can compare himself to Li Shimin’s words, then I should almost compare myself to Wang Fuxi. Because I represent a higher realm. Huang Taiji, who founded the Qing Dynasty, is just the afterglow of feudalism, and I will be the rising sun of modern society. !"

Yu Chenglong was stunned.

Do you...have you praised yourself so much?

This is no longer crazy, this is a disease of the brain!
So Yu Chenglong only replied: "Haha"

"You don't believe it? So, your answer is, you want to be a loyal minister of the Manchu Tartars? Are you determined to be a traitor?"

"Not only can I stop the Manchu counterattack, but I can also make the people under my rule live better even in wartime. Believe it or not? Not only can I drive out the Tartars, I can also make you Shanxi people Even if you are a person in troubled times, you can live a better life, ten times, a hundred times better than now. I can swallow the Manchus in reverse, let the Manchus merge into the Han, and not compare with them, believe it or not? "

"I think you are crazy"

"I'm not crazy, you believe me, I will let you see this day, Yu Chenglong, be my sword of the country, people like you are not afraid of death, why do you want to be a traitor?"

"Differences do not conspire with each other. It is useless to talk more. I must have no chance to play again. If you want to kill me, do it. If you think that I am a traitor, then I will be it. , It will be commented by future generations."

"Yes, later generations commented that you and I both consider ourselves good people, and have devoted ourselves to the well-being of the people in the world, but it is destined to have one, and the infamy will be endless."

"Go ahead."

"You... oh~" Liu Dapao struggled for a long time, but finally said: "I can't bear to kill you."

"Hahahahaha, the so-called big things don't stick to small things. Since you have done such a big thing quietly, even if I stand opposite you, I have to praise you as a hero in the world. Is it possible that at this critical moment, you suddenly Is a woman's benevolence enough?"

"It's bad luck to kill an expert, how about I make a bet with you, if I give you another chance, it's also another chance for myself."

"what chance?"

"I originally wanted to try to persuade you to surrender. If the persuasion fails, I will lock you up. After I rise up, I will be soft and hard. You watch me sit down in the south of the Yangtze River, and you will surrender to me sooner or later after you know how powerful I am, but now I have changed my mind, from now on you will follow me wherever I go, follow me back to Chaozhou, and be my personal assistant."

"What? You let me go back? You're crazy."

"I want to make a bet with you. The so-called seeing is believing. I want you to take a good look at how Chaozhou City is developing. I want you to take a good look. Everything I said today is correct. If you If you believe me, you will be my Sword of the Nation, and that's it, no rebuttals will be accepted."

"Aren't you afraid of me... secretly writing secret documents to the imperial court and accusing you?"

"Just sue. Anyway, I'm already ready to raise troops. It's just a matter of preparing for two months more or less. It's worth it for you."

(End of this chapter)