Anti-Qing: I'm actually an honest person
Chapter 67 A Bold Idea
Chapter 67 A Bold Idea
To be honest, Rotoni was completely confused at this time.
He has been in Australia Island for some years, and he has contacted quite a few officials of the Ming and Qing courts, but this is the first time he has seen someone who can understand the situation in Europe so clearly, and has such a clear view of the overall situation. Even this understanding is better than that of Zheng Zhilong back then.
After a long silence, Luo Dongni suddenly burst out laughing, couldn't help clapping his hands and applauded: "Master Zhongtang really impresses me, amazing, really amazing, no wonder His Majesty the Emperor of the Qing Dynasty asked you to be the general manager of Chaozhou, in charge of the sea. It's a matter of trade."
"The governor has won the prize."
"Since Mr. Zhongtang knows the East India Company very well, you should know that the wolf ambition of the Dutch. In Europe, the ambition of the Dutch to be the world hegemony is the heart of Sima Zhao, as you say in the Central Plains. Everyone knows it. Mr. Zhongtang Smart people, think about it, they will never do such a thing of driving away tigers and wolves, and use the Dutch to drive us away. After Mingzheng is pacified, Zhongtang thinks that if your Chaozhou navy competes with the Dutch navy, there is no chance of winning. Can there be geometry?"
Liu Dapao also smiled: "To tell you the truth, if there are only [-] plywood ships at present, I dare not say if there are too many, there is still a [-]% chance of winning, but I also know that for ships like this, the East India Company can at least At the same time, take out [-] ships, although the Netherlands' strategic focus is on the Americas and Europe, but I can't put all my wealth and life on the British, what if the Dutch are free?"
"To be honest, if I had to choose between you Portuguese and the Dutch, I would rather let you Portuguese occupy our territory, because I am sure to drive you out, but facing the East India Company, I would rather Not sure."
Liu Dapao asked himself that his mind was much clearer than most of the Qing Dynasty people. At this time, most of the Qing Dynasty people and even Ming Zheng's side were too contemptuous of the Netherlands. After all, the record of these guys is indeed not good How to drop.
It is expected that Luowan lost to Zheng Zhilong, Zheng Chenggong regained Wanwan, and was beaten by Zheng Jing in the fourth Xiamen naval battle. The three generations of Zheng's grandparents have fought against them, and miraculously they all won.
Therefore, even the Zheng family believed that they were defeated by the Dutch in Xiamen this time because of their own strength loss after the fourth Jinxia defense battle, and did not think that the Dutch themselves were so powerful.
But Liu Dapao really knows the weight of these four words of world overlord. To put it bluntly, it doesn't matter if you win three times or thirty times, everyone's hard power is here.
Although according to the normal script, the main fleet of the Netherlands will always be firmly restrained by the Anglo-French coalition forces in Europe and the Americas, and completely lost in the fourth Anglo-Dutch war. Isn't it time travel? The little butterfly has already started flapping its wings.
The early opening of the sea by the Qing court was bound to carry out direct trade with the Dutch, and he Liu Dapao couldn’t find the British even if he wanted to. The power of the country in the Far East during this period cannot be said to be weak and weak, but it is better than nothing. Mainly manage the place in India, under the protection of the Mughal Kingdom, pick up some leftover soup from the fingers of the Dutch (I am not mistaken, the East India Company in this era is under the protection of India)
As for trade, both parties must benefit from it. In other words, the Netherlands will be stronger than the original one in history. What if he wins the Anglo-Dutch war?At that time, the main force will be free. Is my undeveloped Chaozhou navy an opponent of the world's overlord?What if someone refuses to trade with you fairly?
Not to mention, if you want to ally with them at this time, you must at least cede Xiamen, who knows if you can take it back by then.
So Liu Dapao came to Australia to negotiate, of course, he didn't want to really push Portugal to the opposite side. If that was the case, the Dutch would be very happy.
But Luo Dongni was a little bit incompetent, and he frowned and said, "Then I don't know what Master Zhongtang wants to do when he comes here in person."
"Of course I'm here to discuss with the governor. Your two states join hands to benefit from maritime trade, fight against the Dutch East India Company, and monopolize the eastern trade. We can take back Sri Lanka and Malacca. If possible, I want to occupy Manila. , if you can completely monopolize this Asian route, this is a golden mountain. However, before this cooperation, I also have some conditions. I hope Governor Rotoni can agree. It involves the principle of sovereignty. I can only talk to Governor Potter first."
"Hahahahaha, Lord Zhongtang really speaks loudly. I wouldn't be surprised if it was an ordinary official of the Qing Dynasty who said such big words. I would just play it as a fool. However, Lord Zhongtang is obviously not an ordinary Qing court official. Officer, you seem to be very clear about maritime affairs and international affairs. I am not interested in the conditions you want to raise, but I am curious. How can you say such big things? The Dutch are kicked out of the entire Far East route?"
"Is it difficult?"
"Master Zhongtang knows that for the Netherlands, among the Far East routes, the route with the Qing Dynasty is just icing on the cake. The spice trade in Southeast Asia is their core interest. Among them, cardamom, which is completely monopolized by the Dutch, is the source of income. People are no less important than New York."
"Ah, I know, and I also know that they are promoting yang by eating food. It is a very clever propaganda method. All the men in the world have been willing to spend money on this for thousands of years."
"Does Master Zhongtang know that the strength of the Netherlands is not only due to the more than 200 large ships. The Dutch Guilder is already a common currency in Europe, and even the whole world, including your coastal areas of the Qing Dynasty, which can be used directly. At the same time , They have also mastered more than [-]% of the publishing business in Europe, and they have already led the world in terms of culture and art. Do you know that the deposits in the Bank of Amsterdam are at least dozens of times more abundant than the treasury of the Qing Dynasty! Do you know that they own the world? The best shipyard in the world, the artillery factory, has hundreds of times the production capacity of your Qing Dynasty."
"I know all of what you said, and there may even be some things I know a little more than you."
"Then I don't know why Lord Zhongtang uttered such wild words."
"Because you made a mistake, or confused a concept."
"what?"
"What you just said belongs to the Dutch East India Company. What does it have to do with the Dutch government? I just said that I want to drive the Dutch forces out of the Far East. I didn't say that I want to deal with the East India Company."
"What? Isn't this... the East India Company and the Dutch government, this, this is the same thing?"
"Is it the same thing?"
"Isn't it the same thing?"
"As far as I know, the Dutch government is only one of the shareholders of the East India Company."
"Is there... any difference?"
"The difference is big. Many systems of the Dutch East India Company are very constructive, epoch-making, and great enough to be called great. It's just Mr. Governor, what do you think when a company develops? After reaching such a gigantic size, will the interests of the company and the country still be consistent? The company, with profit as the first goal, if the traitorous country can be sold at a good price...why not?"
(End of this chapter)
To be honest, Rotoni was completely confused at this time.
He has been in Australia Island for some years, and he has contacted quite a few officials of the Ming and Qing courts, but this is the first time he has seen someone who can understand the situation in Europe so clearly, and has such a clear view of the overall situation. Even this understanding is better than that of Zheng Zhilong back then.
After a long silence, Luo Dongni suddenly burst out laughing, couldn't help clapping his hands and applauded: "Master Zhongtang really impresses me, amazing, really amazing, no wonder His Majesty the Emperor of the Qing Dynasty asked you to be the general manager of Chaozhou, in charge of the sea. It's a matter of trade."
"The governor has won the prize."
"Since Mr. Zhongtang knows the East India Company very well, you should know that the wolf ambition of the Dutch. In Europe, the ambition of the Dutch to be the world hegemony is the heart of Sima Zhao, as you say in the Central Plains. Everyone knows it. Mr. Zhongtang Smart people, think about it, they will never do such a thing of driving away tigers and wolves, and use the Dutch to drive us away. After Mingzheng is pacified, Zhongtang thinks that if your Chaozhou navy competes with the Dutch navy, there is no chance of winning. Can there be geometry?"
Liu Dapao also smiled: "To tell you the truth, if there are only [-] plywood ships at present, I dare not say if there are too many, there is still a [-]% chance of winning, but I also know that for ships like this, the East India Company can at least At the same time, take out [-] ships, although the Netherlands' strategic focus is on the Americas and Europe, but I can't put all my wealth and life on the British, what if the Dutch are free?"
"To be honest, if I had to choose between you Portuguese and the Dutch, I would rather let you Portuguese occupy our territory, because I am sure to drive you out, but facing the East India Company, I would rather Not sure."
Liu Dapao asked himself that his mind was much clearer than most of the Qing Dynasty people. At this time, most of the Qing Dynasty people and even Ming Zheng's side were too contemptuous of the Netherlands. After all, the record of these guys is indeed not good How to drop.
It is expected that Luowan lost to Zheng Zhilong, Zheng Chenggong regained Wanwan, and was beaten by Zheng Jing in the fourth Xiamen naval battle. The three generations of Zheng's grandparents have fought against them, and miraculously they all won.
Therefore, even the Zheng family believed that they were defeated by the Dutch in Xiamen this time because of their own strength loss after the fourth Jinxia defense battle, and did not think that the Dutch themselves were so powerful.
But Liu Dapao really knows the weight of these four words of world overlord. To put it bluntly, it doesn't matter if you win three times or thirty times, everyone's hard power is here.
Although according to the normal script, the main fleet of the Netherlands will always be firmly restrained by the Anglo-French coalition forces in Europe and the Americas, and completely lost in the fourth Anglo-Dutch war. Isn't it time travel? The little butterfly has already started flapping its wings.
The early opening of the sea by the Qing court was bound to carry out direct trade with the Dutch, and he Liu Dapao couldn’t find the British even if he wanted to. The power of the country in the Far East during this period cannot be said to be weak and weak, but it is better than nothing. Mainly manage the place in India, under the protection of the Mughal Kingdom, pick up some leftover soup from the fingers of the Dutch (I am not mistaken, the East India Company in this era is under the protection of India)
As for trade, both parties must benefit from it. In other words, the Netherlands will be stronger than the original one in history. What if he wins the Anglo-Dutch war?At that time, the main force will be free. Is my undeveloped Chaozhou navy an opponent of the world's overlord?What if someone refuses to trade with you fairly?
Not to mention, if you want to ally with them at this time, you must at least cede Xiamen, who knows if you can take it back by then.
So Liu Dapao came to Australia to negotiate, of course, he didn't want to really push Portugal to the opposite side. If that was the case, the Dutch would be very happy.
But Luo Dongni was a little bit incompetent, and he frowned and said, "Then I don't know what Master Zhongtang wants to do when he comes here in person."
"Of course I'm here to discuss with the governor. Your two states join hands to benefit from maritime trade, fight against the Dutch East India Company, and monopolize the eastern trade. We can take back Sri Lanka and Malacca. If possible, I want to occupy Manila. , if you can completely monopolize this Asian route, this is a golden mountain. However, before this cooperation, I also have some conditions. I hope Governor Rotoni can agree. It involves the principle of sovereignty. I can only talk to Governor Potter first."
"Hahahahaha, Lord Zhongtang really speaks loudly. I wouldn't be surprised if it was an ordinary official of the Qing Dynasty who said such big words. I would just play it as a fool. However, Lord Zhongtang is obviously not an ordinary Qing court official. Officer, you seem to be very clear about maritime affairs and international affairs. I am not interested in the conditions you want to raise, but I am curious. How can you say such big things? The Dutch are kicked out of the entire Far East route?"
"Is it difficult?"
"Master Zhongtang knows that for the Netherlands, among the Far East routes, the route with the Qing Dynasty is just icing on the cake. The spice trade in Southeast Asia is their core interest. Among them, cardamom, which is completely monopolized by the Dutch, is the source of income. People are no less important than New York."
"Ah, I know, and I also know that they are promoting yang by eating food. It is a very clever propaganda method. All the men in the world have been willing to spend money on this for thousands of years."
"Does Master Zhongtang know that the strength of the Netherlands is not only due to the more than 200 large ships. The Dutch Guilder is already a common currency in Europe, and even the whole world, including your coastal areas of the Qing Dynasty, which can be used directly. At the same time , They have also mastered more than [-]% of the publishing business in Europe, and they have already led the world in terms of culture and art. Do you know that the deposits in the Bank of Amsterdam are at least dozens of times more abundant than the treasury of the Qing Dynasty! Do you know that they own the world? The best shipyard in the world, the artillery factory, has hundreds of times the production capacity of your Qing Dynasty."
"I know all of what you said, and there may even be some things I know a little more than you."
"Then I don't know why Lord Zhongtang uttered such wild words."
"Because you made a mistake, or confused a concept."
"what?"
"What you just said belongs to the Dutch East India Company. What does it have to do with the Dutch government? I just said that I want to drive the Dutch forces out of the Far East. I didn't say that I want to deal with the East India Company."
"What? Isn't this... the East India Company and the Dutch government, this, this is the same thing?"
"Is it the same thing?"
"Isn't it the same thing?"
"As far as I know, the Dutch government is only one of the shareholders of the East India Company."
"Is there... any difference?"
"The difference is big. Many systems of the Dutch East India Company are very constructive, epoch-making, and great enough to be called great. It's just Mr. Governor, what do you think when a company develops? After reaching such a gigantic size, will the interests of the company and the country still be consistent? The company, with profit as the first goal, if the traitorous country can be sold at a good price...why not?"
(End of this chapter)
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