Abnormal Three Kingdoms
Chapter 358
Chapter 358
"Six Parts." Listening to Chu Nan's explanation of the Six Parts, Lu Bu frowned slightly and said, "Zi Yanjue's method is useful?"
Chen Gong and Chu Nan came to discuss with him about the Six Departments at the same time. Although Lu Bu reunited with his wife and concubine after a long absence, he felt a little bit sorry for pushing the business affairs that had accumulated over the past few months to the two of them, so he still took time out of his busy schedule to discuss with them. These six things.
But I feel that many functions of the Sixth Ministry correspond to the Jiuqing. For example, isn't the Ministry of Punishment the Ting Wei?The Ministry of Officials is the Order of the Minister, and the Ministry of Industry is the Shaofu. The imperial court already has positions, so why bother to establish six ministries.
"Father-in-law, this is excessive power. These powers are still in the hands of Jiuqing in name." Chu Nan explained: "But Jiuqing is not under the account of father-in-law. After the establishment of the Six Departments, these powers are transferred to father-in-law invisibly. The power will be emptied and used in name only."
"If that's the case, why not just appoint and dismiss Jiuqing?" Lu Bu asked puzzled.
"Marquis Wen is now in charge of the imperial court. The power of the world belongs to the emperor, but in fact it is controlled by Marquis Wen. At this time, the imperial court is not the same as it was in Xuzhou. Since Marquis Wen wants to serve the emperor, he can't break the court rules too much and dismiss the nine princes directly. Qing, with Marquis Wen's current situation, it is naturally possible, but in the future, the court's laws will be in vain." Chen Gong laughed.
So?
Lu Bu looked at Chu Nan.
"If the imperial court worships father-in-law as Taiwei today, removes father-in-law as Taiwei tomorrow, makes father-in-law Situ again the day after tomorrow, and removes him the day after tomorrow, and there is no reason, then father thinks that the positions of the three princes are still honorable?" Chu Chu Nan probably knew what Lu Bu was wondering about.
The most important thing about the system is that everyone abides by it. It is no problem for you to appoint and dismiss the court at will before making mistakes. But in this way, the criterion for measuring Jiuqing is who makes you happy, not who is more suitable for this position. As time goes by, one can imagine who can gather around Lu Bu.
Lu Bu shook his head, he probably understood: "So the Jiuqing of the court cannot be dismissed at will, but the power in their hands must be transferred to my hands?"
"That's right, so the Six Departments will gradually replace the Jiuqing. The Jiuqing still exists, but the power has been transferred to the Six Departments. When the time is right in the future, the Jiuqing can be removed, or the Six Departments can replace the Jiuqing." Chu Nan nodded. head.
"The people from the Ministry of Punishment chose Cao Cao's Ministry to serve in the future, and he has not yet surrendered." After understanding the structure of the six ministries, Lu Bu did not object. Let me explain, combined with my past experience, I understand a lot of things that I didn't understand before.
"If he is really a legalist, he will enforce the law impartially. It can be used by me, and it can also show his father-in-law's mind. If he is mixed with selfishness, he can be used as an excuse to break his legal words." Chu Nan said with a smile: "Father-in-law, now Our army has spread all over the three states, and the entire Central Plains belongs to us. At this time, governing the world is different from governing a state. It is necessary to strictly enforce laws and regulations so that the people know what to do and do their own things. Otherwise, governance will be very chaotic. The right person."
"That's all." Lu Bu nodded. He knew that when it comes to governing the country, these things are not his strong point, so he didn't want to ask any more questions. He nodded and said, "According to Ziyan's words, when will the matter of the six departments be reported to the court?"
"Set up first." Chu Nan said with a smile: "Prepare the manpower and build the six government offices before going to court."
In fact, in Chu Nan's view, the establishment of the Six Departments is the last link of the imperial court. Otherwise, according to the past rules, the imperial court will nod first and then build, not to mention that it is far away, but it must be difficult. It is better to cut it first and then build it. Go to the imperial court to get a seal.
In this way, Jiuqing became a decoration, and the framework of Lu Bu's regime was completely established.
Chen Gong suddenly said, "Ziyan, how are you preparing for the official selection system?"
Regarding how the imperial court selects scholars, it is obviously impossible to continue to use the previous Ju Xiaolian with the implementation of the New Deal. Now the six ministries are established, and Chen Gongzhang officials are appointed and dismissed, but in the past Ju Xiaolian was recommended by state and county officials. With the New Deal It is obvious that the system of filial piety and honesty is difficult to continue. The reason is very simple. The local gentry and tyrants have been abolished.
The relationship between local officials and gentry and powerful people has changed from interdependence in the past to current antagonism, which makes local officials deeply wary of gentry and powerful talents.
Moreover, the disadvantages of promoting filial piety and honesty are also obvious. Officials elected by the local government, whether they are from poor families or noble families, will naturally form an interdependent relationship with the recommending officials.
In fact, the system of promoting filial piety and honesty can also dig out talents from poor families. After all, state and county officials also need to do practical things for themselves. For example, Sun Jian, the entrepreneur in Jiangdong, is actually from a poor family, and he rose step by step through the system of promoting filial piety and integrity.
And after these poor families come out through local officials, they will have a kind of incense. The Yuan family has four generations and three generations, and the disciples and former officials are all over the world. Many officials are recommended to become officials through the Yuan family. Now that the new policy is implemented, the purpose is to take back some local powers If the imperial court still adopts the system of filial piety and honesty in selecting scholars, with Lu Bu's current situation, it is easy to cause too much local power and even return to the previous situation.
In that way, the New Deal will become a joke, and it will even be overthrown in the future.
Regarding this issue, the two masters and apprentices have studied it before, and now that the six ministries have been established, how the official ministries select scholars is just used to talk about it.
"Unified assessment by the imperial court." Chu Nan thought for a while and said, "Don't ask about background, just ask about talent. As long as they pass the imperial court assessment, anyone can become an official."
In the current era, it is obviously impossible to promote imperial examinations. Without such an environment, even if papermaking and printing technology came out, it would not work, and the common people would not have the opportunity to read and write.
There is no such condition for the whole people to study, so scholars can only be selected from the gentry, poor families and local wealthy families. At present, most of the people who will respond to Lu Bu's call are from poor families, and there may be people from the gentry, even many, but they As long as he dared to come, Chu Nan dared to use it.
Under the existing system, as long as the six ministries are in their hands, it is useless for the officials below to dance and dance. It is difficult for the local government offices that have lost their power to recruit officers to recruit too strong talents, and the officials sent by the imperial court are not available. With that kind of incense and fire, the one who has disciples and former officials all over the world will be the Minister of the Ministry of Officials.
Of course, this is also a hazard, but compared to the previous excessive local power, the hazard will be much smaller. People value the position of Minister of the Ministry of Officials rather than a certain official. , but it is also difficult to regain the previous influence.
"Assessment?" Lu Bu looked at Chu Nan and said.
"Yes, it's like selecting generals in the army, focusing on martial arts and the art of war. The strong will go up and the mediocre will go down. After the officials are selected, those who are willing to become officials can be gathered from all over the country for assessment. The content of the assessment involves people's livelihood, policy theory Wait, evaluate where this person is suitable based on the assessment results." Chu Nan nodded and said.
Although there are not many educated people in the world at present, the demand for officials is also not much. In fact, there are only three official positions to be appointed in a county, county magistrate, county magistrate, and county lieutenant. Books and the like belong to officials and are not included in the appointment and dismissal of the imperial court.
Of course, the rules have to be changed, officials can also be promoted to officials, as long as their political performance is sufficient and they pass the assessment, they can be promoted to officials, but the imperial court needs to appoint, in fact, there are only three people in a county, and there are about a thousand in the entire Dahan County. Generally speaking, three thousand officials are enough.
Of course, there are county government offices, governor’s offices, and court officials on top of it. This number can be added by another thousand, about more than 4000 officials. This ratio is obviously much lower than that of educated officials, so Chu Nan is not worried that the gentry will not buy it. When it is done, it is not they who beg the gentry, but the gentry beg them.
This is also the reason why Chu Nan has never turned the face of the nobles.
Now that they occupy the land of the three states, they are far from the whole world, so there are naturally fewer officials to be arranged.
And with the implementation of the New Deal, more and more wealth is in the hands of the people. Naturally, some people will start to try to study. If they can defeat Yuan Shao, Chu Nan will consider starting to promote knowledge. Before the promotion, papermaking and printing The technique must be worked out.
The Ministry of Industry is not as simple as imagined, and even the Ministry of Industry may become the key to leading the imperial court to prosperity in the future.
After summarizing his thoughts, Chen Gong thought about it: "This law can indeed replace the prosecution system and limit the expansion of the power of local officials."
As a great Confucianist and half his life as an official, Chen Gong's vision is naturally not bad. He can see the pros and cons of Chu Nan's method. Abandoning the previous method of promoting filial piety and honesty to become an official and changing it to an official by examination. If other princes implement it, the resistance will inevitably be great , because the interests of too many people have been moved, and if it is switched to Lu Bu's side, the most troublesome problem for others will no longer be a problem here.
If the gentry in the Central Plains are stabilized, they may be reduced by [-]% to [-]%. How can they have the ability and courage to hinder the implementation of the New Deal?
And for the first time in the selection of scholars, there is a high probability that the gentry will be on the sidelines, but it doesn't matter. Although Lu Bu killed ruthlessly, he has already won over a class invisibly. The poor families and local clans are actually the beneficiaries, and now they are fully released. These talents will naturally flock to the gate of seeking scholars.
As long as this is the first time, if the gentry refuses to let go of their pride and participate in the competition in the future, they can only watch their own family decline a little bit.
However, poor families and local clans will become Lu Bu's absolute supporters.
Chen Gong is now more and more appreciative of Chu Nan's original decision. After all, you have to release a lot of power to win over the nobles, and if you win over the poor and local clans, even if you give them a relatively fair chance, these people will be grateful.
"What do Marquis Wen think?" Chen Gong looked at Lu Bu.
Lu Bu nodded, and asked again: "What do you think is the same in the army?"
"Not for the time being." Chen Gong and Chu Nan shook their heads at the same time. Other princes dare not disturb the interests of the gentry, but they, on the contrary, cannot disturb the interests of the army. Lu Bu originally relied on the army to suppress the world. If this method is implemented in China, there is a high probability that many generals will have resentment.
Moreover, the promotion system in the military is relatively fair compared to Ju Xiaolian. After all, those who are incapable basically die on the battlefield. It is obviously inappropriate to use the military merit system at this time. I put my life on it Position, others only need to move a pen to get it, how can you ask the soldiers to support it?
At this stage, the military merit system is the most suitable system in the army, and there is no need to improve it. It can only be accepted by the introduction of this system when there are fewer wars in the future and the soldiers have no way to advance.
Chu Nan probably explained to Lu Bu the necessity of the military merit system, and seeing that his son-in-law and counselors opposed it at the same time, Lu Bu gave up the idea after thinking about it.
(End of this chapter)
"Six Parts." Listening to Chu Nan's explanation of the Six Parts, Lu Bu frowned slightly and said, "Zi Yanjue's method is useful?"
Chen Gong and Chu Nan came to discuss with him about the Six Departments at the same time. Although Lu Bu reunited with his wife and concubine after a long absence, he felt a little bit sorry for pushing the business affairs that had accumulated over the past few months to the two of them, so he still took time out of his busy schedule to discuss with them. These six things.
But I feel that many functions of the Sixth Ministry correspond to the Jiuqing. For example, isn't the Ministry of Punishment the Ting Wei?The Ministry of Officials is the Order of the Minister, and the Ministry of Industry is the Shaofu. The imperial court already has positions, so why bother to establish six ministries.
"Father-in-law, this is excessive power. These powers are still in the hands of Jiuqing in name." Chu Nan explained: "But Jiuqing is not under the account of father-in-law. After the establishment of the Six Departments, these powers are transferred to father-in-law invisibly. The power will be emptied and used in name only."
"If that's the case, why not just appoint and dismiss Jiuqing?" Lu Bu asked puzzled.
"Marquis Wen is now in charge of the imperial court. The power of the world belongs to the emperor, but in fact it is controlled by Marquis Wen. At this time, the imperial court is not the same as it was in Xuzhou. Since Marquis Wen wants to serve the emperor, he can't break the court rules too much and dismiss the nine princes directly. Qing, with Marquis Wen's current situation, it is naturally possible, but in the future, the court's laws will be in vain." Chen Gong laughed.
So?
Lu Bu looked at Chu Nan.
"If the imperial court worships father-in-law as Taiwei today, removes father-in-law as Taiwei tomorrow, makes father-in-law Situ again the day after tomorrow, and removes him the day after tomorrow, and there is no reason, then father thinks that the positions of the three princes are still honorable?" Chu Chu Nan probably knew what Lu Bu was wondering about.
The most important thing about the system is that everyone abides by it. It is no problem for you to appoint and dismiss the court at will before making mistakes. But in this way, the criterion for measuring Jiuqing is who makes you happy, not who is more suitable for this position. As time goes by, one can imagine who can gather around Lu Bu.
Lu Bu shook his head, he probably understood: "So the Jiuqing of the court cannot be dismissed at will, but the power in their hands must be transferred to my hands?"
"That's right, so the Six Departments will gradually replace the Jiuqing. The Jiuqing still exists, but the power has been transferred to the Six Departments. When the time is right in the future, the Jiuqing can be removed, or the Six Departments can replace the Jiuqing." Chu Nan nodded. head.
"The people from the Ministry of Punishment chose Cao Cao's Ministry to serve in the future, and he has not yet surrendered." After understanding the structure of the six ministries, Lu Bu did not object. Let me explain, combined with my past experience, I understand a lot of things that I didn't understand before.
"If he is really a legalist, he will enforce the law impartially. It can be used by me, and it can also show his father-in-law's mind. If he is mixed with selfishness, he can be used as an excuse to break his legal words." Chu Nan said with a smile: "Father-in-law, now Our army has spread all over the three states, and the entire Central Plains belongs to us. At this time, governing the world is different from governing a state. It is necessary to strictly enforce laws and regulations so that the people know what to do and do their own things. Otherwise, governance will be very chaotic. The right person."
"That's all." Lu Bu nodded. He knew that when it comes to governing the country, these things are not his strong point, so he didn't want to ask any more questions. He nodded and said, "According to Ziyan's words, when will the matter of the six departments be reported to the court?"
"Set up first." Chu Nan said with a smile: "Prepare the manpower and build the six government offices before going to court."
In fact, in Chu Nan's view, the establishment of the Six Departments is the last link of the imperial court. Otherwise, according to the past rules, the imperial court will nod first and then build, not to mention that it is far away, but it must be difficult. It is better to cut it first and then build it. Go to the imperial court to get a seal.
In this way, Jiuqing became a decoration, and the framework of Lu Bu's regime was completely established.
Chen Gong suddenly said, "Ziyan, how are you preparing for the official selection system?"
Regarding how the imperial court selects scholars, it is obviously impossible to continue to use the previous Ju Xiaolian with the implementation of the New Deal. Now the six ministries are established, and Chen Gongzhang officials are appointed and dismissed, but in the past Ju Xiaolian was recommended by state and county officials. With the New Deal It is obvious that the system of filial piety and honesty is difficult to continue. The reason is very simple. The local gentry and tyrants have been abolished.
The relationship between local officials and gentry and powerful people has changed from interdependence in the past to current antagonism, which makes local officials deeply wary of gentry and powerful talents.
Moreover, the disadvantages of promoting filial piety and honesty are also obvious. Officials elected by the local government, whether they are from poor families or noble families, will naturally form an interdependent relationship with the recommending officials.
In fact, the system of promoting filial piety and honesty can also dig out talents from poor families. After all, state and county officials also need to do practical things for themselves. For example, Sun Jian, the entrepreneur in Jiangdong, is actually from a poor family, and he rose step by step through the system of promoting filial piety and integrity.
And after these poor families come out through local officials, they will have a kind of incense. The Yuan family has four generations and three generations, and the disciples and former officials are all over the world. Many officials are recommended to become officials through the Yuan family. Now that the new policy is implemented, the purpose is to take back some local powers If the imperial court still adopts the system of filial piety and honesty in selecting scholars, with Lu Bu's current situation, it is easy to cause too much local power and even return to the previous situation.
In that way, the New Deal will become a joke, and it will even be overthrown in the future.
Regarding this issue, the two masters and apprentices have studied it before, and now that the six ministries have been established, how the official ministries select scholars is just used to talk about it.
"Unified assessment by the imperial court." Chu Nan thought for a while and said, "Don't ask about background, just ask about talent. As long as they pass the imperial court assessment, anyone can become an official."
In the current era, it is obviously impossible to promote imperial examinations. Without such an environment, even if papermaking and printing technology came out, it would not work, and the common people would not have the opportunity to read and write.
There is no such condition for the whole people to study, so scholars can only be selected from the gentry, poor families and local wealthy families. At present, most of the people who will respond to Lu Bu's call are from poor families, and there may be people from the gentry, even many, but they As long as he dared to come, Chu Nan dared to use it.
Under the existing system, as long as the six ministries are in their hands, it is useless for the officials below to dance and dance. It is difficult for the local government offices that have lost their power to recruit officers to recruit too strong talents, and the officials sent by the imperial court are not available. With that kind of incense and fire, the one who has disciples and former officials all over the world will be the Minister of the Ministry of Officials.
Of course, this is also a hazard, but compared to the previous excessive local power, the hazard will be much smaller. People value the position of Minister of the Ministry of Officials rather than a certain official. , but it is also difficult to regain the previous influence.
"Assessment?" Lu Bu looked at Chu Nan and said.
"Yes, it's like selecting generals in the army, focusing on martial arts and the art of war. The strong will go up and the mediocre will go down. After the officials are selected, those who are willing to become officials can be gathered from all over the country for assessment. The content of the assessment involves people's livelihood, policy theory Wait, evaluate where this person is suitable based on the assessment results." Chu Nan nodded and said.
Although there are not many educated people in the world at present, the demand for officials is also not much. In fact, there are only three official positions to be appointed in a county, county magistrate, county magistrate, and county lieutenant. Books and the like belong to officials and are not included in the appointment and dismissal of the imperial court.
Of course, the rules have to be changed, officials can also be promoted to officials, as long as their political performance is sufficient and they pass the assessment, they can be promoted to officials, but the imperial court needs to appoint, in fact, there are only three people in a county, and there are about a thousand in the entire Dahan County. Generally speaking, three thousand officials are enough.
Of course, there are county government offices, governor’s offices, and court officials on top of it. This number can be added by another thousand, about more than 4000 officials. This ratio is obviously much lower than that of educated officials, so Chu Nan is not worried that the gentry will not buy it. When it is done, it is not they who beg the gentry, but the gentry beg them.
This is also the reason why Chu Nan has never turned the face of the nobles.
Now that they occupy the land of the three states, they are far from the whole world, so there are naturally fewer officials to be arranged.
And with the implementation of the New Deal, more and more wealth is in the hands of the people. Naturally, some people will start to try to study. If they can defeat Yuan Shao, Chu Nan will consider starting to promote knowledge. Before the promotion, papermaking and printing The technique must be worked out.
The Ministry of Industry is not as simple as imagined, and even the Ministry of Industry may become the key to leading the imperial court to prosperity in the future.
After summarizing his thoughts, Chen Gong thought about it: "This law can indeed replace the prosecution system and limit the expansion of the power of local officials."
As a great Confucianist and half his life as an official, Chen Gong's vision is naturally not bad. He can see the pros and cons of Chu Nan's method. Abandoning the previous method of promoting filial piety and honesty to become an official and changing it to an official by examination. If other princes implement it, the resistance will inevitably be great , because the interests of too many people have been moved, and if it is switched to Lu Bu's side, the most troublesome problem for others will no longer be a problem here.
If the gentry in the Central Plains are stabilized, they may be reduced by [-]% to [-]%. How can they have the ability and courage to hinder the implementation of the New Deal?
And for the first time in the selection of scholars, there is a high probability that the gentry will be on the sidelines, but it doesn't matter. Although Lu Bu killed ruthlessly, he has already won over a class invisibly. The poor families and local clans are actually the beneficiaries, and now they are fully released. These talents will naturally flock to the gate of seeking scholars.
As long as this is the first time, if the gentry refuses to let go of their pride and participate in the competition in the future, they can only watch their own family decline a little bit.
However, poor families and local clans will become Lu Bu's absolute supporters.
Chen Gong is now more and more appreciative of Chu Nan's original decision. After all, you have to release a lot of power to win over the nobles, and if you win over the poor and local clans, even if you give them a relatively fair chance, these people will be grateful.
"What do Marquis Wen think?" Chen Gong looked at Lu Bu.
Lu Bu nodded, and asked again: "What do you think is the same in the army?"
"Not for the time being." Chen Gong and Chu Nan shook their heads at the same time. Other princes dare not disturb the interests of the gentry, but they, on the contrary, cannot disturb the interests of the army. Lu Bu originally relied on the army to suppress the world. If this method is implemented in China, there is a high probability that many generals will have resentment.
Moreover, the promotion system in the military is relatively fair compared to Ju Xiaolian. After all, those who are incapable basically die on the battlefield. It is obviously inappropriate to use the military merit system at this time. I put my life on it Position, others only need to move a pen to get it, how can you ask the soldiers to support it?
At this stage, the military merit system is the most suitable system in the army, and there is no need to improve it. It can only be accepted by the introduction of this system when there are fewer wars in the future and the soldiers have no way to advance.
Chu Nan probably explained to Lu Bu the necessity of the military merit system, and seeing that his son-in-law and counselors opposed it at the same time, Lu Bu gave up the idea after thinking about it.
(End of this chapter)
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