Daming 1805
Chapter 39 Not Enough!
Chapter 39 Not Enough!
In the strange atmosphere of the imperial court, the old emperor himself did not stop there, and he continued to ask questions to everyone on the scene after issuing the imperial decree:
"The scope of the West Sea country is too small, there is no vassal king in the first place, and it is not a de facto vassal state.
"The situation of the vassals in the southwest of the Persian Gulf is special, and the small vassal states were abolished and merged into the big vassal states, not actually the withdrawal of the vassal states.
"So we need another, real model for withdrawing feudal vassal states, for all vassal states and enemies to see.
"Wang Aiqing will find a few more vassal states that should be evacuated the most, talk about their situation and problems, and let everyone help come up with ideas."
Wang Shangshu, who was standing outside, and the ministers sitting around, vaguely sensed the emperor's thoughts when they heard this.
This is to take the initiative and forcibly push, start the de facto withdrawal as soon as possible, and do not allow the following courtiers to have any dawdling.
Because most of the courtiers were not active in the matter of withdrawing the vassal.
Just made a deal with the emperor, using the royal family's ban on opening several specialized industries, in exchange for everyone to accept the withdrawal of the vassal.
If the withdrawal of the feudal lords is delayed halfway, wouldn't these industries be picked up in vain?
But the other side of the transaction, the old emperor represented by the royal family, certainly did not allow this to happen, and they were not allowed to delay for a day.
Wang Shangshu was helpless, and could only answer the questions according to the previous discussion and organize his ideas:
"The ministers and colleagues in the household department believed that the most important ones to withdraw from the vassal state were the vassal states of Korea, Japan, Ezo, and Ryukyu.
"Korean countries are the second barrier in the hinterland of our Daming capital, Japan and the Ryukyu countries are the maritime barriers in the mainland of our Daming Shenzhou, just like the Great Wall at sea.
"The two states should not have been set up as vassal states, because of their large local population, the total population of the two places was nearly 4000 million in the last years of Renwu, which was more than a quarter of the local Ming Dynasty at that time.
"Later Daming recruited men from the two places as servants to fight in Nanyang, Dashi, Mozhou, and Yinzhou, and purchased women as slaves and served as servants, nobles, and elites in the Ming Dynasty.
"The people of the Ming Dynasty were moved again, and they went to the two places with the vassal king to multiply and live, and to educate the natives of the two places.
"Today, the local population of Ming Dynasty has exceeded 700 million, while the total population of North Korea, Japan, Ryukyu, Ezo and other places is about [-] million.
"Among them, about 100 million are descendants of Ming people, 300 million are descendants of Ming people mixed with natives, and 300 million are natives.
"The natives have always admired Daming, and after a hundred years of intermarriage, everyone from the nobles, gentry, elites to the leading workers in Guizhou wears Daming clothes and speaks Daming elegant words.
"Except for the extreme remoteness of the two places, the people in the mountains and jungles who do not communicate with the world can no longer hear the words of the natives, and they do not know what the emperor and the general are.
"In addition, the appearance and appearance of the people of their own vassal are very little different from those of the people of the Ming Dynasty, and now they have been transformed into summer, they could have considered withdrawing the vassal as appropriate.
"However, there are a large number of vassal people in the Ming Dynasty as slaves, and a large number of vassal people overseas as servants.
"How to arrange these servants and servant soldiers after the withdrawal of the vassal is the difficulty of the withdrawal of the feudal vassal in Korea and Japan.
"Secondly, the countries of the West Sea, Kyrgyzstan (Djibouti), Ceylon (Sri Lanka), Malacca (Malaysia Peninsula and Singapore), Yingzhou (Hawaii Islands), North Yinya, Jiazhu (Seattle and Singapore) around Vancouver, as well as California and Nevada generation).
"The above countries are all strategic overseas strategic hubs for the empire, or are convenient places for maritime business to transit, and it is not appropriate to set up vassal states.
"However, the distance is long, and the transportation is inconvenient when it is attached. There are very few people immigrating to the Ming Dynasty, and the number of natives is relatively large, and the body is far from the people of the Ming Dynasty, so it is set as a vassal state.
"After the promotion of steam sailboats, the number of people immigrating from Daming increased rapidly, and now the number of Daming people in various countries has exceeded the number of local natives.
"However, except for the West Sea Kingdom, the total number of natives is still quite large, and the period of indoctrination is much shorter than that of Japan and Korea.
"How to resettle the natives after the withdrawal of the vassals is the difficulty for the above-mentioned vassals to withdraw their vassals, and the Ministry of Household has not yet decided."
When Wang Shangshu said this, he bowed to the emperor again, and bowed his hands to the surrounding, indicating that he was finished for the time being, and everyone can ask questions or make suggestions.
The old emperor waved his hand lightly, and motioned for Wang Lao Shangshu, who had said a long paragraph, to sit down and rest first, and then asked the surrounding ministers:
"What Wang Aiqing said, about the problem of the withdrawal of the vassal states, what opinions do you have, you can say it as soon as possible."
The ministers were all whispering to each other below, which was definitely a disgrace before the emperor before the Renwu Dynasty, but now it is a normal behavior that is allowed.
Most of the ministers started shaking their heads while muttering, not only that they wanted to delay, it was not an easy problem to solve.
It is said that the withdrawal of the feudal lords actually involves the abolition of slavery.
Abolition of slavery itself is very troublesome.
At that time, it was replaced by foreign servants, and it still took many years to get it right.
Now the situation of these slaves has become more complicated than before.
There are many types of slaves alone.
The first is the most senior servants, the Korean maids and females.
They don't account for a lot of all the servants, but they are all the princes, nobles, and new business elites who can afford it. How many "speaking" people will this affect?
What's more, there are the overseas servants of the two countries. Could it be that they will directly become the main soldiers of the Ming Dynasty?
This is a huge hassle.
Followed by Burmese and Nanyang servants, some of them are factory slaves, and some are laborers in the courtyards of high-level families.
The scope of this involvement is wider, and small businessmen will also have opinions.
In addition, there are Yin servants. Although there are not many, they are numerous in Yinzhou, and they are the local low-level labor force.
Should all Yin people be granted citizenship at the same time?
If given, would the upper and middle classes of the Yinzhou vassal states in the north and south still be willing to withdraw their vassal?
In the end, there are black slaves. There are black slaves in Kyrgyzstan, and there are also black slaves in the mainland and other feudal countries.
If we want to withdraw the Kyrgyz Republic and give all black slaves the right to citizenship, no official can accept this, even Emperor Shizu can't accept it...
The best result is that when the vassal is withdrawn, only the citizens of the Ming Dynasty and the upper and middle classes of the vassal state are given citizenship rights, and the natives continue to be slaves or simply deal with them.
There are roughly three types of typical processing schemes.
A more gentle way is to drive away the country.
A more crude method is to kill directly.
A more eclectic approach is to divide and conquer.
But no matter which method, it is impossible to guarantee stability. In case of trouble, it will endanger the stability of the vassal state and even the empire.
Finally, there is the arrangement of the vassal king. Maybe all the vassal people are in favor of withdrawing the vassal, but only the vassal king may oppose it.
Most of the courtiers did not speak, and a few stood up to express their attitude.
Or say euphemistically, it is not recommended to withdraw the vassal urgently immediately, most of the vassal states are complicated, and they should be planned slowly.
Either stand on the moral high ground and suggest that the imperial court educate all natives, and even turn barbarians into summers.
Or just tell the three typical methods and let the emperor make the choice.
After listening to the old emperor, he was noncommittal. When the ministers on the scene stopped talking, he looked at Zhu Jingyuan who seemed to be in a trance:
"Jingyuan, you also mentioned the matter of withdrawing the feudal lord. Now everyone has no particularly good plan. Do you have any ideas in your own mind?"
The princes and ministers in the audience were inexplicably panicked when they heard this.
Everyone began to subconsciously worry about what simple and rude solutions Zhu Jingyuan would give.
Although it may be a good thing to have a method, it will make the withdrawal of the feudal lord impossible to delay. The key is that it may appear incompetent.
So everyone turned their faces at this time, and looked at Zhu Jingyuan who got up with a complicated expression.
Zhu Jingyuan did have some ideas in his heart, mainly based on the experience of later generations, but he didn't want to bring it up immediately before.
First of all, there are some methods... I always feel that it is not suitable to speak in public, and at the same time, it is impossible to speak clearly in the morning.
Second, because of the minimum labor remuneration, he had just faced off against Uncle Jiuhuang once, and then stood up and grabbed the vassal states in the southwest of the Persian Gulf, which was already a bit too flamboyant.
Today, I should be a little more low-key. After the new battleship design task is completed, I will talk to the people in the Ministry of Housing in private.
Moreover, due to the lessons learned from the minimum labor remuneration proposal, the people from the Ministry of Household should take the initiative to ask them for advice, and they should just wait.
Therefore, what Zhu Jingyuan is thinking about now, in addition to planning new warships, is preparing for more efficient oil extraction and refining technologies, and preparing to become a big dog.
The old emperor asked himself directly again, which really surprised Zhu Jingyuan a little, and had to wake up from the bright future of turning into a big dog.
(End of this chapter)
In the strange atmosphere of the imperial court, the old emperor himself did not stop there, and he continued to ask questions to everyone on the scene after issuing the imperial decree:
"The scope of the West Sea country is too small, there is no vassal king in the first place, and it is not a de facto vassal state.
"The situation of the vassals in the southwest of the Persian Gulf is special, and the small vassal states were abolished and merged into the big vassal states, not actually the withdrawal of the vassal states.
"So we need another, real model for withdrawing feudal vassal states, for all vassal states and enemies to see.
"Wang Aiqing will find a few more vassal states that should be evacuated the most, talk about their situation and problems, and let everyone help come up with ideas."
Wang Shangshu, who was standing outside, and the ministers sitting around, vaguely sensed the emperor's thoughts when they heard this.
This is to take the initiative and forcibly push, start the de facto withdrawal as soon as possible, and do not allow the following courtiers to have any dawdling.
Because most of the courtiers were not active in the matter of withdrawing the vassal.
Just made a deal with the emperor, using the royal family's ban on opening several specialized industries, in exchange for everyone to accept the withdrawal of the vassal.
If the withdrawal of the feudal lords is delayed halfway, wouldn't these industries be picked up in vain?
But the other side of the transaction, the old emperor represented by the royal family, certainly did not allow this to happen, and they were not allowed to delay for a day.
Wang Shangshu was helpless, and could only answer the questions according to the previous discussion and organize his ideas:
"The ministers and colleagues in the household department believed that the most important ones to withdraw from the vassal state were the vassal states of Korea, Japan, Ezo, and Ryukyu.
"Korean countries are the second barrier in the hinterland of our Daming capital, Japan and the Ryukyu countries are the maritime barriers in the mainland of our Daming Shenzhou, just like the Great Wall at sea.
"The two states should not have been set up as vassal states, because of their large local population, the total population of the two places was nearly 4000 million in the last years of Renwu, which was more than a quarter of the local Ming Dynasty at that time.
"Later Daming recruited men from the two places as servants to fight in Nanyang, Dashi, Mozhou, and Yinzhou, and purchased women as slaves and served as servants, nobles, and elites in the Ming Dynasty.
"The people of the Ming Dynasty were moved again, and they went to the two places with the vassal king to multiply and live, and to educate the natives of the two places.
"Today, the local population of Ming Dynasty has exceeded 700 million, while the total population of North Korea, Japan, Ryukyu, Ezo and other places is about [-] million.
"Among them, about 100 million are descendants of Ming people, 300 million are descendants of Ming people mixed with natives, and 300 million are natives.
"The natives have always admired Daming, and after a hundred years of intermarriage, everyone from the nobles, gentry, elites to the leading workers in Guizhou wears Daming clothes and speaks Daming elegant words.
"Except for the extreme remoteness of the two places, the people in the mountains and jungles who do not communicate with the world can no longer hear the words of the natives, and they do not know what the emperor and the general are.
"In addition, the appearance and appearance of the people of their own vassal are very little different from those of the people of the Ming Dynasty, and now they have been transformed into summer, they could have considered withdrawing the vassal as appropriate.
"However, there are a large number of vassal people in the Ming Dynasty as slaves, and a large number of vassal people overseas as servants.
"How to arrange these servants and servant soldiers after the withdrawal of the vassal is the difficulty of the withdrawal of the feudal vassal in Korea and Japan.
"Secondly, the countries of the West Sea, Kyrgyzstan (Djibouti), Ceylon (Sri Lanka), Malacca (Malaysia Peninsula and Singapore), Yingzhou (Hawaii Islands), North Yinya, Jiazhu (Seattle and Singapore) around Vancouver, as well as California and Nevada generation).
"The above countries are all strategic overseas strategic hubs for the empire, or are convenient places for maritime business to transit, and it is not appropriate to set up vassal states.
"However, the distance is long, and the transportation is inconvenient when it is attached. There are very few people immigrating to the Ming Dynasty, and the number of natives is relatively large, and the body is far from the people of the Ming Dynasty, so it is set as a vassal state.
"After the promotion of steam sailboats, the number of people immigrating from Daming increased rapidly, and now the number of Daming people in various countries has exceeded the number of local natives.
"However, except for the West Sea Kingdom, the total number of natives is still quite large, and the period of indoctrination is much shorter than that of Japan and Korea.
"How to resettle the natives after the withdrawal of the vassals is the difficulty for the above-mentioned vassals to withdraw their vassals, and the Ministry of Household has not yet decided."
When Wang Shangshu said this, he bowed to the emperor again, and bowed his hands to the surrounding, indicating that he was finished for the time being, and everyone can ask questions or make suggestions.
The old emperor waved his hand lightly, and motioned for Wang Lao Shangshu, who had said a long paragraph, to sit down and rest first, and then asked the surrounding ministers:
"What Wang Aiqing said, about the problem of the withdrawal of the vassal states, what opinions do you have, you can say it as soon as possible."
The ministers were all whispering to each other below, which was definitely a disgrace before the emperor before the Renwu Dynasty, but now it is a normal behavior that is allowed.
Most of the ministers started shaking their heads while muttering, not only that they wanted to delay, it was not an easy problem to solve.
It is said that the withdrawal of the feudal lords actually involves the abolition of slavery.
Abolition of slavery itself is very troublesome.
At that time, it was replaced by foreign servants, and it still took many years to get it right.
Now the situation of these slaves has become more complicated than before.
There are many types of slaves alone.
The first is the most senior servants, the Korean maids and females.
They don't account for a lot of all the servants, but they are all the princes, nobles, and new business elites who can afford it. How many "speaking" people will this affect?
What's more, there are the overseas servants of the two countries. Could it be that they will directly become the main soldiers of the Ming Dynasty?
This is a huge hassle.
Followed by Burmese and Nanyang servants, some of them are factory slaves, and some are laborers in the courtyards of high-level families.
The scope of this involvement is wider, and small businessmen will also have opinions.
In addition, there are Yin servants. Although there are not many, they are numerous in Yinzhou, and they are the local low-level labor force.
Should all Yin people be granted citizenship at the same time?
If given, would the upper and middle classes of the Yinzhou vassal states in the north and south still be willing to withdraw their vassal?
In the end, there are black slaves. There are black slaves in Kyrgyzstan, and there are also black slaves in the mainland and other feudal countries.
If we want to withdraw the Kyrgyz Republic and give all black slaves the right to citizenship, no official can accept this, even Emperor Shizu can't accept it...
The best result is that when the vassal is withdrawn, only the citizens of the Ming Dynasty and the upper and middle classes of the vassal state are given citizenship rights, and the natives continue to be slaves or simply deal with them.
There are roughly three types of typical processing schemes.
A more gentle way is to drive away the country.
A more crude method is to kill directly.
A more eclectic approach is to divide and conquer.
But no matter which method, it is impossible to guarantee stability. In case of trouble, it will endanger the stability of the vassal state and even the empire.
Finally, there is the arrangement of the vassal king. Maybe all the vassal people are in favor of withdrawing the vassal, but only the vassal king may oppose it.
Most of the courtiers did not speak, and a few stood up to express their attitude.
Or say euphemistically, it is not recommended to withdraw the vassal urgently immediately, most of the vassal states are complicated, and they should be planned slowly.
Either stand on the moral high ground and suggest that the imperial court educate all natives, and even turn barbarians into summers.
Or just tell the three typical methods and let the emperor make the choice.
After listening to the old emperor, he was noncommittal. When the ministers on the scene stopped talking, he looked at Zhu Jingyuan who seemed to be in a trance:
"Jingyuan, you also mentioned the matter of withdrawing the feudal lord. Now everyone has no particularly good plan. Do you have any ideas in your own mind?"
The princes and ministers in the audience were inexplicably panicked when they heard this.
Everyone began to subconsciously worry about what simple and rude solutions Zhu Jingyuan would give.
Although it may be a good thing to have a method, it will make the withdrawal of the feudal lord impossible to delay. The key is that it may appear incompetent.
So everyone turned their faces at this time, and looked at Zhu Jingyuan who got up with a complicated expression.
Zhu Jingyuan did have some ideas in his heart, mainly based on the experience of later generations, but he didn't want to bring it up immediately before.
First of all, there are some methods... I always feel that it is not suitable to speak in public, and at the same time, it is impossible to speak clearly in the morning.
Second, because of the minimum labor remuneration, he had just faced off against Uncle Jiuhuang once, and then stood up and grabbed the vassal states in the southwest of the Persian Gulf, which was already a bit too flamboyant.
Today, I should be a little more low-key. After the new battleship design task is completed, I will talk to the people in the Ministry of Housing in private.
Moreover, due to the lessons learned from the minimum labor remuneration proposal, the people from the Ministry of Household should take the initiative to ask them for advice, and they should just wait.
Therefore, what Zhu Jingyuan is thinking about now, in addition to planning new warships, is preparing for more efficient oil extraction and refining technologies, and preparing to become a big dog.
The old emperor asked himself directly again, which really surprised Zhu Jingyuan a little, and had to wake up from the bright future of turning into a big dog.
(End of this chapter)
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