Since the Accounting: A Chronicle of the Roman Khanate
Chapter 194 Chao bacteria don't know the dark days, barbarians don't know the heavenly fat
Chapter 194 Chao bacteria don't know the dark days, barbarians don't know the heavenly father
Although everyone still had doubts about Guo Kang's suggestion, they did not directly oppose it.Because of similar operations, the Roman Church does often do it.And there is no shortage of such cases in the God-worshiping churches.
The Cao family has been engaged in diplomatic activities all year round, and even in a country with active ideas like the Purple Horde Khanate, they are relatively flexible in thinking.In their view, although Guo Kang's ideas are a bit biased, they are not incomprehensible.
As for Mrs. Elena, although she has a close relationship with the Kiev church, she has been married into this family for decades, and she has long been used to worshiping the Church of God.
The church in Kiev is far away, the believers are scattered, and many people's thinking is relatively old, so the church as a whole appears to be more conservative.However, in the process of development and preaching, they also often incorporate local beliefs—for example, the frequent occurrence of "Father Xiong" is a typical example.
Therefore, Mrs. Irena needs to consider more, how to explain it will be easier for the Kiev Church to accept, so as to cooperate with the efforts of the Lama Wang at the official level and push them to agree with this matter.For herself, as long as she doesn't go too far, she doesn't have to be serious.
After several people thought for a while, it was Madam Irina who asked the question.
"If we really do this, it can be explained in theory, but will it cause other doubts?" She asked: "Put the two religions together, it feels like trying to reproduce the past. The pantheon. I worry that many people will not accept that what we are doing is pure paganism."
Guo Kang also thought for a while, preparing to answer this question.However, before he could speak, Cao Zhonglin, who had been drinking tea and didn't speak much before, couldn't help but speak first.
"Mother, in my opinion, you still don't go abroad too often." He shook his head and said, "We were not accepted by everyone in religion. The Christian world has indeed been treating us as heretics. So far, it hasn't changed."
"So, we don't need to think so much—it's already heresy anyway, even if they don't do it, they won't change their words; and even if they do, the diplomatic environment can't be worse."
"In this case, as long as it is beneficial to us, heresy is heresy." He spread his hands: "We have suffered so many crusades, and if we are not heresy, it is not worthy of our name."
"This isn't a heresy anymore." Mrs. Irina said, "It's already ancient to the point of polytheism..."
"Aren't heretics better?" Cao Zhonglin teased, "Compared with heretics, everyone is more tolerant of heretics."
Madame Irene was momentarily speechless.
"This, it's still not the same." Guo Kang quickly smoothed things over, explaining: "The polytheism does have some problems. The biggest disadvantage is that its organization is too poor."
"The pantheon of the ancient Romans was still at a very primitive level, with simple collections and a lack of follow-up work." He began to look back at history: "At that time, the Romans often went out to fight, and when they saw that other people's gods were good, they Move back directly. Some foreign gods, everyone finds them very interesting, and they will directly put them together for sacrifice.”
"However, in this way, the sects of various gods are essentially doing their own thing. This has led to an extremely large number of sacrificial activities in Rome, and even caused a lot of trouble to the public. Many gods are also obviously regional, and the relationship between believers Exclusion and feuding were not uncommon, and actually hindered the unity of the empire."
"I think this is the crux of the problem." Guo Kang pointed out: "The real important thing is not whether there is one god or multiple gods, but an effective organization."
"In comparison, monotheism at that time was more organized and more adaptable to the state after the unification of the empire. The church cut off a lot of repetitive and wasteful religious activities, and adopted universal doctrines that were not restricted by ethnic groups and regions. Relatively Compared with the traditional polytheism, it naturally has an advantage."
"Isn't it because the teachings are closer to the truth and easier to be accepted by everyone?" Mrs. Irina didn't seem to have thought about this issue.
"Let's make a comparison, and we will know." Guo Kang said: "Our religion is now reformed by Brother Tian on the basis of Judaism. There are many basic principles that are interlinked. But the two sides are incompatible. , A fierce confrontation broke out at that time, and the Jewish priests wanted to get rid of him quickly."
"Later, it was the Christianity founded by Brother Tian that was widely spread and accepted by the world, not the original Judaism. The biggest difference here is that he and his disciples added another set of scriptures, changing that God will only bless the Jews. The saying makes Heavenly Father truly a God that anyone can believe in.”
"In this way, although the basic rules are similar, the Christianity has gained a huge advantage over its opponents."
"So, the key here, indeed, is to see who is more likely to be accepted by everyone." Guo Kang corrected: "But the causal relationship is reversed—it's not because the priests thought about it for a while and thought their ideas were close to the truth. If it is accepted, it will be directly accepted by everyone; but because everyone accepts it more, it can be proved that he is closer to the truth."
"The next question is, why is it more acceptable. If we understand the principle here, then we can get closer to the truth."
"Then what do you think is the truth here?" Mrs. Irina asked.
"It's the organizational ability just mentioned." Guo Kang replied: "Another example is actually Serris."
"Some priests believe that they are still primitive polytheism. But some people think that they are already monotheistic in essence. But in my opinion, their understanding is still not enough, and their cognition is also biased."
"The key to the difference between monotheism and polytheism is not the number of gods, but the organizational form of gods."
"The church has also incorporated many pagan gods, calling them angels or saints, and interpreting legends as stories in the background of worshiping God. Then, it is called 'God', 'sage', or 'immortal' in Chinese, what is there? Is there a difference? I don't think there is."
"Some ancient philosophers and theologians believed that language contains divinity and reason, and behind it contains the law and order of all things. But I believe that names are just codes, which have nothing to do with the essence of objects. Otherwise, we will change the language and vocabulary. Is it not the same god to describe the Heavenly Father? This is a heretical act of treason."
"Since the name of the Heavenly Father is not important, it makes no difference whether these spiritual secondary beings are called angels, gods, or sages."
"For example, Seris has a clear supreme god 'Heaven'. The imperial court is very concerned about the supremacy of 'Heaven' and forbids any sacrificial activities that surpass him. The other objects of worship are said to be 'God', but in fact they are It's just a name, and everyone even arranged official positions and positions for them to establish order among these 'gods'."
"From this point of view, it's very simple. If you don't say anything else, just look at Seris' concept of 'heavenly court' and the habit of registering and appointing gods in the imperial court. It is much more perfect than the Christian system of divinity. gone."
"So, who is more primitive, closer to polytheism?"
Now, Mrs. Elena didn't know how to answer.
"The cultural level of Europeans is too low, and the priests can't understand these things. But we still have to figure it out." Guo Kang said: "Instead of referring to them and caring about their strange talks full of prejudice and ignorance, it is better to learn from Cypriot. Reese, look at how people do it."
Lady Irene nodded approvingly.
On the issue of doctrine, she is also a layman.But she agrees with what Guo Kang said.
After all, even now, from time to time, some people on the Roman Catholic side will come to pick things up, using doctrinal issues to make things difficult for the Orthodox Church.
Of course, the Orthodox Church is not vegetarian.The church employs a large group of Greek theologians all the year round, and every time they debate the scriptures, they basically end up with the Roman church in vain.After a long time, it is understandable that everyone feels that the priests over there are not good enough and there are too many things to do.
"I'm not a professional priest, but these ideas can be justified logically." Guo Kang continued to persuade: "You can think about it, whether our church or the Roman Catholic Church, although the missionary time is not short, But who has the scale of the Seris 'Heaven' worship, and their perfect organization?"
"Obviously, their theory is more universal. And the results of dissemination also tell us that it is the closest to the truth. We can refer to it and find out the way that suits us."
"If the Tianfang Sect and the Worshiping God Sect are put together directly without management at all, then it will indeed regress to the state of the Pantheon. Now that we have the conditions, we shouldn't do this." He shook his head and said: "On the contrary, we should Take the initiative to promote the integration of both parties.”
"From the Celtic Church in Ireland to the 'Heaven' belief in Serris, everyone believes in the same religion and the same god."
"If there are consistent points in the teachings, they can be merged and simplified. If there are differences, everyone should have a good discussion to judge which ones are necessary and need to be maintained; which ones are not perfect or even have errors and need to be corrected .”
"They have places that are closer to the truth, and we can use them for reference; we have theories that are closer to the truth, and they should be allowed to learn from them. This is the tradition and advantage of monotheism."
"Back then, Rome recognized the worship of God and it began to prosper. As the orthodox successors of Rome, we also have the duty to pursue justice and truth and let them flourish."
"A proverb says: insects that live and die in the morning and evening do not know the change of day and night; cicadas that live in spring and die in summer do not know the seasons of spring and autumn. Barbarians have no history and no cultural inheritance. Even if the heavenly father stands before them, they will only know Say 'Scary! Strange thing I've never seen before!'”
"How can such a person understand what is truth and what is the glory of the Heavenly Father?" Guo Kang asked rhetorically.
(End of this chapter)
Although everyone still had doubts about Guo Kang's suggestion, they did not directly oppose it.Because of similar operations, the Roman Church does often do it.And there is no shortage of such cases in the God-worshiping churches.
The Cao family has been engaged in diplomatic activities all year round, and even in a country with active ideas like the Purple Horde Khanate, they are relatively flexible in thinking.In their view, although Guo Kang's ideas are a bit biased, they are not incomprehensible.
As for Mrs. Elena, although she has a close relationship with the Kiev church, she has been married into this family for decades, and she has long been used to worshiping the Church of God.
The church in Kiev is far away, the believers are scattered, and many people's thinking is relatively old, so the church as a whole appears to be more conservative.However, in the process of development and preaching, they also often incorporate local beliefs—for example, the frequent occurrence of "Father Xiong" is a typical example.
Therefore, Mrs. Irena needs to consider more, how to explain it will be easier for the Kiev Church to accept, so as to cooperate with the efforts of the Lama Wang at the official level and push them to agree with this matter.For herself, as long as she doesn't go too far, she doesn't have to be serious.
After several people thought for a while, it was Madam Irina who asked the question.
"If we really do this, it can be explained in theory, but will it cause other doubts?" She asked: "Put the two religions together, it feels like trying to reproduce the past. The pantheon. I worry that many people will not accept that what we are doing is pure paganism."
Guo Kang also thought for a while, preparing to answer this question.However, before he could speak, Cao Zhonglin, who had been drinking tea and didn't speak much before, couldn't help but speak first.
"Mother, in my opinion, you still don't go abroad too often." He shook his head and said, "We were not accepted by everyone in religion. The Christian world has indeed been treating us as heretics. So far, it hasn't changed."
"So, we don't need to think so much—it's already heresy anyway, even if they don't do it, they won't change their words; and even if they do, the diplomatic environment can't be worse."
"In this case, as long as it is beneficial to us, heresy is heresy." He spread his hands: "We have suffered so many crusades, and if we are not heresy, it is not worthy of our name."
"This isn't a heresy anymore." Mrs. Irina said, "It's already ancient to the point of polytheism..."
"Aren't heretics better?" Cao Zhonglin teased, "Compared with heretics, everyone is more tolerant of heretics."
Madame Irene was momentarily speechless.
"This, it's still not the same." Guo Kang quickly smoothed things over, explaining: "The polytheism does have some problems. The biggest disadvantage is that its organization is too poor."
"The pantheon of the ancient Romans was still at a very primitive level, with simple collections and a lack of follow-up work." He began to look back at history: "At that time, the Romans often went out to fight, and when they saw that other people's gods were good, they Move back directly. Some foreign gods, everyone finds them very interesting, and they will directly put them together for sacrifice.”
"However, in this way, the sects of various gods are essentially doing their own thing. This has led to an extremely large number of sacrificial activities in Rome, and even caused a lot of trouble to the public. Many gods are also obviously regional, and the relationship between believers Exclusion and feuding were not uncommon, and actually hindered the unity of the empire."
"I think this is the crux of the problem." Guo Kang pointed out: "The real important thing is not whether there is one god or multiple gods, but an effective organization."
"In comparison, monotheism at that time was more organized and more adaptable to the state after the unification of the empire. The church cut off a lot of repetitive and wasteful religious activities, and adopted universal doctrines that were not restricted by ethnic groups and regions. Relatively Compared with the traditional polytheism, it naturally has an advantage."
"Isn't it because the teachings are closer to the truth and easier to be accepted by everyone?" Mrs. Irina didn't seem to have thought about this issue.
"Let's make a comparison, and we will know." Guo Kang said: "Our religion is now reformed by Brother Tian on the basis of Judaism. There are many basic principles that are interlinked. But the two sides are incompatible. , A fierce confrontation broke out at that time, and the Jewish priests wanted to get rid of him quickly."
"Later, it was the Christianity founded by Brother Tian that was widely spread and accepted by the world, not the original Judaism. The biggest difference here is that he and his disciples added another set of scriptures, changing that God will only bless the Jews. The saying makes Heavenly Father truly a God that anyone can believe in.”
"In this way, although the basic rules are similar, the Christianity has gained a huge advantage over its opponents."
"So, the key here, indeed, is to see who is more likely to be accepted by everyone." Guo Kang corrected: "But the causal relationship is reversed—it's not because the priests thought about it for a while and thought their ideas were close to the truth. If it is accepted, it will be directly accepted by everyone; but because everyone accepts it more, it can be proved that he is closer to the truth."
"The next question is, why is it more acceptable. If we understand the principle here, then we can get closer to the truth."
"Then what do you think is the truth here?" Mrs. Irina asked.
"It's the organizational ability just mentioned." Guo Kang replied: "Another example is actually Serris."
"Some priests believe that they are still primitive polytheism. But some people think that they are already monotheistic in essence. But in my opinion, their understanding is still not enough, and their cognition is also biased."
"The key to the difference between monotheism and polytheism is not the number of gods, but the organizational form of gods."
"The church has also incorporated many pagan gods, calling them angels or saints, and interpreting legends as stories in the background of worshiping God. Then, it is called 'God', 'sage', or 'immortal' in Chinese, what is there? Is there a difference? I don't think there is."
"Some ancient philosophers and theologians believed that language contains divinity and reason, and behind it contains the law and order of all things. But I believe that names are just codes, which have nothing to do with the essence of objects. Otherwise, we will change the language and vocabulary. Is it not the same god to describe the Heavenly Father? This is a heretical act of treason."
"Since the name of the Heavenly Father is not important, it makes no difference whether these spiritual secondary beings are called angels, gods, or sages."
"For example, Seris has a clear supreme god 'Heaven'. The imperial court is very concerned about the supremacy of 'Heaven' and forbids any sacrificial activities that surpass him. The other objects of worship are said to be 'God', but in fact they are It's just a name, and everyone even arranged official positions and positions for them to establish order among these 'gods'."
"From this point of view, it's very simple. If you don't say anything else, just look at Seris' concept of 'heavenly court' and the habit of registering and appointing gods in the imperial court. It is much more perfect than the Christian system of divinity. gone."
"So, who is more primitive, closer to polytheism?"
Now, Mrs. Elena didn't know how to answer.
"The cultural level of Europeans is too low, and the priests can't understand these things. But we still have to figure it out." Guo Kang said: "Instead of referring to them and caring about their strange talks full of prejudice and ignorance, it is better to learn from Cypriot. Reese, look at how people do it."
Lady Irene nodded approvingly.
On the issue of doctrine, she is also a layman.But she agrees with what Guo Kang said.
After all, even now, from time to time, some people on the Roman Catholic side will come to pick things up, using doctrinal issues to make things difficult for the Orthodox Church.
Of course, the Orthodox Church is not vegetarian.The church employs a large group of Greek theologians all the year round, and every time they debate the scriptures, they basically end up with the Roman church in vain.After a long time, it is understandable that everyone feels that the priests over there are not good enough and there are too many things to do.
"I'm not a professional priest, but these ideas can be justified logically." Guo Kang continued to persuade: "You can think about it, whether our church or the Roman Catholic Church, although the missionary time is not short, But who has the scale of the Seris 'Heaven' worship, and their perfect organization?"
"Obviously, their theory is more universal. And the results of dissemination also tell us that it is the closest to the truth. We can refer to it and find out the way that suits us."
"If the Tianfang Sect and the Worshiping God Sect are put together directly without management at all, then it will indeed regress to the state of the Pantheon. Now that we have the conditions, we shouldn't do this." He shook his head and said: "On the contrary, we should Take the initiative to promote the integration of both parties.”
"From the Celtic Church in Ireland to the 'Heaven' belief in Serris, everyone believes in the same religion and the same god."
"If there are consistent points in the teachings, they can be merged and simplified. If there are differences, everyone should have a good discussion to judge which ones are necessary and need to be maintained; which ones are not perfect or even have errors and need to be corrected .”
"They have places that are closer to the truth, and we can use them for reference; we have theories that are closer to the truth, and they should be allowed to learn from them. This is the tradition and advantage of monotheism."
"Back then, Rome recognized the worship of God and it began to prosper. As the orthodox successors of Rome, we also have the duty to pursue justice and truth and let them flourish."
"A proverb says: insects that live and die in the morning and evening do not know the change of day and night; cicadas that live in spring and die in summer do not know the seasons of spring and autumn. Barbarians have no history and no cultural inheritance. Even if the heavenly father stands before them, they will only know Say 'Scary! Strange thing I've never seen before!'”
"How can such a person understand what is truth and what is the glory of the Heavenly Father?" Guo Kang asked rhetorically.
(End of this chapter)
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