Since the Accounting: A Chronicle of the Roman Khanate
Chapter 208 Tips to Make Poland Disappear
Chapter 208 Tips to Make Poland Disappear
Every time other people tried to control little Rangna, the effect was not very good.This kid doesn't know why, but has always been "rebellious".Even Zhu Wenkui, the eldest brother who takes care of her every day, is often contradicted.
Not to mention Guo Kang.Being disliked by little Rangna is commonplace.Later, Theodora was jealous of little Jeanne, he just felt baffled, and didn't know what this person was thinking.
Therefore, Guo Kang was also relieved to find that someone could control her.
Moreover, he always had a feeling: Although Princess Ma has always been friendly to Princess Rangna, and she has been helping her settle down during this period of time, deep down, I am afraid that she is not so welcoming.
He intentionally escalated the dispute, and then got away to come here. In fact, part of the reason was to see Princess Ma's performance.After all, although she doesn't look like a mountain, she is still the most important person in the network of Wu Wang's family.Her management ability and position are very important for future cooperation.
It's just that Princess Ma didn't start persuading peace after asking about the situation as he thought, but called little Rangna back alone.Thinking about it before, she didn't allow little Rangna to go out to play in the street these few days, but she didn't care about Princess Rangna, she always felt that it must be intentional.
Before, his impression of Princess Ma was a standard to almost stereotyped housewife of an ancient big family.Strong but lacking in assertiveness, kind but weak in personality, the best thing is being a husband and a child.Although there are many interactions with other people, if you think about it carefully, they are basically things that are short-sighted by parents, and you almost never express your attitude towards "business" in public.
When Princess Jeanna first appeared, he was mainly thinking about the name issue in diplomacy, as well as her relationship with Zhu Wenkui.As for Princess Ma, everyone seemed to ignore her tacitly.After all, with her usual performance, there shouldn't be any problems.
Princess Jeanna should not make a big publicity in the name of Wu Wang's wife, because the French side does not want to admit this relationship now, and with Zhu Yunqi's current situation, this relationship may not be of much use to her.In this case, she will not threaten Princess Ma's current status, and Princess Ma should be the same as before, accepting and managing all of this like a perfect princess.
However, judging from the details of these two times, Princess Ma seems to have her own ideas.Although she never said clearly that she didn't even feel anything about her own son Zhu Wenkui, Guo Kang always had the feeling that she was robbing Princess Rangna for her daughter.I don't know if she will reveal more ideas in the future.
Of course, this is also a good thing for Guo Kang himself.The interests of Princess Jeanne, as well as her way of thinking, are a bit far from those of the Romans around him.Her way of doing things is also too independent. It is estimated that she will not be an easy target to persuade, and may become an uncertain factor in the future.
Although she is a good ally in name, she is not one of her own after all.If little Rangna gets too close to her, many plans in the future will add additional uncertainties.It is best for everyone that Princess Ma will take care of little Rangna.
Of course, he is the only one thinking about these things, not even Zhu Wenkui.
While he was thinking, Zhu Wenkui was arguing with his sister using the theory he heard from him.
Little Jeanna seemed to think that the reason why so many crazy believers came to oppose Rome every day was not because of the teaching itself, but because the church was involved in too many mundane affairs.They have their own real interests, so they will naturally use religious means to maintain these interests.It manifests itself in all kinds of completely unnecessary religious wars.This problem can be solved if religious and secular power can be separated.
But Zhu Wenkui obviously didn't believe it.
"It is impossible for the worship of God in European countries to develop like Buddhism in the Central Plains." He said firmly: "It is obviously unrealistic to deal with them in the way of reforming Buddhism."
"Why?" Little Jeanna asked unconvinced.
"Because the situation on the two sides is fundamentally different." Zhu Wenkui spread his hands: "The problem with the Roman Catholic Church lies in the doctrine itself. The most important thing is to directly change the doctrine and integrate the church."
"The Central Plains dynasty was able to require monks to give up secular power, limit their privileges in property, and concentrate on religious work because there is a 'heaven' sacrifice on top of Buddhism." He explained.
"The major events of the country lie in sacrifice and military affairs. Only when these two powers are stable can the country be stable. In the Central Plains, these two things are in the hands of the imperial court at the same time, and monks have no right to intervene."
"The Buddhism they believe in is only a kind of sacrifice, and it cannot threaten the imperial court's control over the right to sacrifice. Therefore, prohibiting monks from interfering with secular affairs will not destroy the unity of 'sacrifice' and 'Rong'. It works."
"But the imperial courts in Europe don't have the function of the church. They only have such a church. Forcibly separating the church from secular management is tantamount to going back to ancient times, and back to the time when wizards and kings were in conflict."
"That's why I said that the idea of the religious reform you mentioned is very problematic." Zhu Wenkui finally judged.
"But... all along, people here have indeed called for this." Little Jeanna wondered: "According to you, don't they do it wrong?"
"I think it's really wrong." Zhu Wenkui said: "They misunderstood it from the beginning. Or, they may have never had experience in this field, so they don't understand at all, just thinking about it..."
Little Jeanne fell silent for a moment.
Concubine Ma supported Zhu Wenkui very much, and was happy to see the effect of his words.She took the opportunity to persuade: "You should think about what your brother said. Mother knows that you have been smart since you were a child, so you must think more about this kind of thing, and don't just listen to it and believe it."
"Although Europeans have rich experience, isn't the Central Plains far superior to them? What they insist on may not be right. You have to think about it yourself."
"That's not what I said." Zhu Wenkui said with a smile: "It's all Mr. Guo and the others, what they talked about when discussing the reform of doctrine. I just listened by the side. If you want to ask, you should ask them."
"Oh, that's right." He turned to greet Guo Kang: "Didn't you just want to say, how to deal with the Polish sect? Tell us about it. We all want to hear it now, and everyone is fine." Religious stereotypes, you should be able to say it."
"As long as you can listen to it." Guo Kang shrugged.
"Of course I can, I'm not a fanatic." Zhu Wenkui disagreed.
"That's simple." Guo Kang said: "Actually, it's still an old theory—it's all determined by geography and historical background."
"You also know that the status of nobles these days is uncertain. It is the same as the example we saw with our own eyes just now. An English noble can also hold a territory in Poland; a Spanish noble may be loyal to France and Castile at the same time. Leah; a French nobleman might go to the court of England. Anyway, it doesn't really matter 'what country' they are."
"As for the common people, it is even more confusing. Most of the common people have no culture and only know the lords they belong to. The feudal lords who are higher than the lords, and the feudal relationship between them are too complicated for the common people. Basically, Everyone has no idea about it.”
"Many countries are trying to change this situation, allowing nobles and civilians to have an identity, so as to unite everyone and prevent everyone from falling apart when a crisis occurs like before. What Poland wants is this. "
"But the problem is, they don't have this cultural foundation." Guo Kang laughed.
"How long has the concept of Rome existed? How long has the concept of France existed? What about Poland? They don't have this cultural foundation. Then you say, what else can we do?"
"So we have to use religion, right?" Zhu Wenkui has learned to be smart now.
"Yes." Guo Kang nodded: "On the one hand, they don't have the culture and history of the ethnic group that can be directly borrowed; And of course using religious identity to help build that identity."
"You see, that's why they look so crazy."
"Hi. To put it bluntly, he is uneducated." Zhu Wenkui said with a smile.
"Of course. If you are educated, who will go crazy and become a fanatic?" Guo Kang also said with a smile.
"Then you go on, how to deal with them?" Zhu Wenkui continued to tease.
"This is simpler." Guo Kang analyzed: "This kind of group seems crazy and stubborn to us, and seems very firm. But in fact, this is exactly their weakness."
"In the final analysis, if a group relies heavily on religion and needs to rely on religious beliefs for integration, it means that its own consensus is not strong, and it can only rely on strict religious distinctions to define a 'difference between internal and external' to allow members to unite. "
"However, this is the best way to build identity. We have gradually worked out a set of experiences."
"Is there a trick to this?" Zhu Wenkui became more and more curious.
"Yes." Guo Kang nodded: "Think about it, since they want to use religion to make distinctions, what we need to do is, of course, make their distinctions unstrict. If we can disrupt their beliefs and force them to They suspect each other, isn't that all right?"
"We are using this method now." Guo Kang pointed to the square behind: "If the nobles and soldiers want to survive, they have to declare that they are not Poles. In this way, only those who have strong beliefs and identities Only those who don’t hesitate to persevere with their lives. And most people, like that British nobleman, are not so sure about their identities. Given the opportunity, of course they will choose to save their lives first.”
"Oh...that is to say, only those who are cunning can live, and those who really believe in Poland are dead." Zhu Wenkui nodded.
"This is only the most superficial phenomenon." Guo Kang said: "Only relying on this layer, we can't really cause damage. After all, we can't catch too many nobles at once, and the killed will also form an inspiration. "
"In history, many sects have faced persecution and massacres, but few of them can be wiped out in this way, even if the strength of the two sides is very different. We don't have such a big advantage against the Poles, and of course we don't expect to solve it in this step. question."
"Are there any other effects?" Little Jeanna couldn't help but joined the conversation.
She climbed to the car window, wanting to listen to Guo Kang's explanation.Concubine Ma was also very supportive of this, and she moved to the side to let her come over and listen.
"Yes. Because we said that Poland is a special country, and Europe is also a special environment." Guo Kang said: "Many nobles have multiple identities, and they can be people from many countries at the same time. The feelings of ordinary people for the country Very indifferent, more identified with their own hometown. Poland wants people to identify with themselves more, but we can ask them to declare that they give up this identification."
"Is this verbal statement effective?" Zhu Wenkui expressed doubts.
"Speaking out empty words will naturally have no effect. But if people hear it, it will have an effect." Guo Kang told him.
"Do you know that Tianfang teaches Shia, and there is a 'takiya' principle?" He gave an example that seemed far from the topic.
Zhu Wenkui didn't seem to have heard of it, but little Rangna nodded.
"The sixth imam of the Shia sect, because of the persecution and massacres encountered by the sect, issued a fatwa, stipulating that believers can conceal their beliefs when they are in danger." Guo Kang explained.
"However, what is interesting is that this seemingly convenient regulation has hardly appeared in other denominations. No matter Judaism, God worship or other Tianfang sects, they do not advocate this kind of behavior. Even if there is an inevitable case, The church as a whole does not encourage such things.”
"So, I have an impression." Zhu Wenkui suddenly realized: "I met a few Syrian businessmen before. Before they drank, they had to force me to persuade them to drink a few times. Is it also based on this standard?"
"If they don't belong to a specific sect, then strictly speaking, they can't use this method." Guo Kang said: "But you see, even if there is no clear regulation, everyone is still abusing this logic."
"Drinking grape juice or something is just a small problem. The biggest danger is that the religious order can no longer identify the authenticity of believers in a simple way. In a situation where it is necessary to rely on and can only rely on religion to unite everyone, this This kind of 'doubt' is very deadly."
"Someone took refuge in the enemy, and then came back, saying that he was still loyal, and he was just pretending before-now, tell me whether you believe him or not." He raised the question.
Zhu Wenkui and little Rangna looked at each other.
"For a normal organization, even if this person has never surrendered to the enemy, strict scrutiny is required to prevent him from defecting to the enemy and then returning to be a traitor." Guo Kang reminded: "It is difficult for a surrendered general to be trusted, even if he returns. Being reused, not to mention people who go back and forth twice. No matter which civilization you are in, no one will believe it casually."
"And once this hole was opened, 'false conversion' became a rule. A mixed bag of people returned one after another, including a large number of vacillating weeds, double-dealers who had compromised with the enemy, and even traitors sent by the enemy on their own initiative. How can you tell the difference?"
"And if you can't tell the difference, then a large number of people will suspect each other for a long time, and they all have the possibility of being a traitor. In this case, how does the organization work?"
"So, unless the organization is very small, and there are only very committed and trustworthy members left, almost no one would dare to do it with a big fanfare." Guo Kang said: "This is the scary part of doubt."
"And what we did was to artificially force the Poles to 'takia' and force them to suspect each other. Now, you can understand."
(End of this chapter)
Every time other people tried to control little Rangna, the effect was not very good.This kid doesn't know why, but has always been "rebellious".Even Zhu Wenkui, the eldest brother who takes care of her every day, is often contradicted.
Not to mention Guo Kang.Being disliked by little Rangna is commonplace.Later, Theodora was jealous of little Jeanne, he just felt baffled, and didn't know what this person was thinking.
Therefore, Guo Kang was also relieved to find that someone could control her.
Moreover, he always had a feeling: Although Princess Ma has always been friendly to Princess Rangna, and she has been helping her settle down during this period of time, deep down, I am afraid that she is not so welcoming.
He intentionally escalated the dispute, and then got away to come here. In fact, part of the reason was to see Princess Ma's performance.After all, although she doesn't look like a mountain, she is still the most important person in the network of Wu Wang's family.Her management ability and position are very important for future cooperation.
It's just that Princess Ma didn't start persuading peace after asking about the situation as he thought, but called little Rangna back alone.Thinking about it before, she didn't allow little Rangna to go out to play in the street these few days, but she didn't care about Princess Rangna, she always felt that it must be intentional.
Before, his impression of Princess Ma was a standard to almost stereotyped housewife of an ancient big family.Strong but lacking in assertiveness, kind but weak in personality, the best thing is being a husband and a child.Although there are many interactions with other people, if you think about it carefully, they are basically things that are short-sighted by parents, and you almost never express your attitude towards "business" in public.
When Princess Jeanna first appeared, he was mainly thinking about the name issue in diplomacy, as well as her relationship with Zhu Wenkui.As for Princess Ma, everyone seemed to ignore her tacitly.After all, with her usual performance, there shouldn't be any problems.
Princess Jeanna should not make a big publicity in the name of Wu Wang's wife, because the French side does not want to admit this relationship now, and with Zhu Yunqi's current situation, this relationship may not be of much use to her.In this case, she will not threaten Princess Ma's current status, and Princess Ma should be the same as before, accepting and managing all of this like a perfect princess.
However, judging from the details of these two times, Princess Ma seems to have her own ideas.Although she never said clearly that she didn't even feel anything about her own son Zhu Wenkui, Guo Kang always had the feeling that she was robbing Princess Rangna for her daughter.I don't know if she will reveal more ideas in the future.
Of course, this is also a good thing for Guo Kang himself.The interests of Princess Jeanne, as well as her way of thinking, are a bit far from those of the Romans around him.Her way of doing things is also too independent. It is estimated that she will not be an easy target to persuade, and may become an uncertain factor in the future.
Although she is a good ally in name, she is not one of her own after all.If little Rangna gets too close to her, many plans in the future will add additional uncertainties.It is best for everyone that Princess Ma will take care of little Rangna.
Of course, he is the only one thinking about these things, not even Zhu Wenkui.
While he was thinking, Zhu Wenkui was arguing with his sister using the theory he heard from him.
Little Jeanna seemed to think that the reason why so many crazy believers came to oppose Rome every day was not because of the teaching itself, but because the church was involved in too many mundane affairs.They have their own real interests, so they will naturally use religious means to maintain these interests.It manifests itself in all kinds of completely unnecessary religious wars.This problem can be solved if religious and secular power can be separated.
But Zhu Wenkui obviously didn't believe it.
"It is impossible for the worship of God in European countries to develop like Buddhism in the Central Plains." He said firmly: "It is obviously unrealistic to deal with them in the way of reforming Buddhism."
"Why?" Little Jeanna asked unconvinced.
"Because the situation on the two sides is fundamentally different." Zhu Wenkui spread his hands: "The problem with the Roman Catholic Church lies in the doctrine itself. The most important thing is to directly change the doctrine and integrate the church."
"The Central Plains dynasty was able to require monks to give up secular power, limit their privileges in property, and concentrate on religious work because there is a 'heaven' sacrifice on top of Buddhism." He explained.
"The major events of the country lie in sacrifice and military affairs. Only when these two powers are stable can the country be stable. In the Central Plains, these two things are in the hands of the imperial court at the same time, and monks have no right to intervene."
"The Buddhism they believe in is only a kind of sacrifice, and it cannot threaten the imperial court's control over the right to sacrifice. Therefore, prohibiting monks from interfering with secular affairs will not destroy the unity of 'sacrifice' and 'Rong'. It works."
"But the imperial courts in Europe don't have the function of the church. They only have such a church. Forcibly separating the church from secular management is tantamount to going back to ancient times, and back to the time when wizards and kings were in conflict."
"That's why I said that the idea of the religious reform you mentioned is very problematic." Zhu Wenkui finally judged.
"But... all along, people here have indeed called for this." Little Jeanna wondered: "According to you, don't they do it wrong?"
"I think it's really wrong." Zhu Wenkui said: "They misunderstood it from the beginning. Or, they may have never had experience in this field, so they don't understand at all, just thinking about it..."
Little Jeanne fell silent for a moment.
Concubine Ma supported Zhu Wenkui very much, and was happy to see the effect of his words.She took the opportunity to persuade: "You should think about what your brother said. Mother knows that you have been smart since you were a child, so you must think more about this kind of thing, and don't just listen to it and believe it."
"Although Europeans have rich experience, isn't the Central Plains far superior to them? What they insist on may not be right. You have to think about it yourself."
"That's not what I said." Zhu Wenkui said with a smile: "It's all Mr. Guo and the others, what they talked about when discussing the reform of doctrine. I just listened by the side. If you want to ask, you should ask them."
"Oh, that's right." He turned to greet Guo Kang: "Didn't you just want to say, how to deal with the Polish sect? Tell us about it. We all want to hear it now, and everyone is fine." Religious stereotypes, you should be able to say it."
"As long as you can listen to it." Guo Kang shrugged.
"Of course I can, I'm not a fanatic." Zhu Wenkui disagreed.
"That's simple." Guo Kang said: "Actually, it's still an old theory—it's all determined by geography and historical background."
"You also know that the status of nobles these days is uncertain. It is the same as the example we saw with our own eyes just now. An English noble can also hold a territory in Poland; a Spanish noble may be loyal to France and Castile at the same time. Leah; a French nobleman might go to the court of England. Anyway, it doesn't really matter 'what country' they are."
"As for the common people, it is even more confusing. Most of the common people have no culture and only know the lords they belong to. The feudal lords who are higher than the lords, and the feudal relationship between them are too complicated for the common people. Basically, Everyone has no idea about it.”
"Many countries are trying to change this situation, allowing nobles and civilians to have an identity, so as to unite everyone and prevent everyone from falling apart when a crisis occurs like before. What Poland wants is this. "
"But the problem is, they don't have this cultural foundation." Guo Kang laughed.
"How long has the concept of Rome existed? How long has the concept of France existed? What about Poland? They don't have this cultural foundation. Then you say, what else can we do?"
"So we have to use religion, right?" Zhu Wenkui has learned to be smart now.
"Yes." Guo Kang nodded: "On the one hand, they don't have the culture and history of the ethnic group that can be directly borrowed; And of course using religious identity to help build that identity."
"You see, that's why they look so crazy."
"Hi. To put it bluntly, he is uneducated." Zhu Wenkui said with a smile.
"Of course. If you are educated, who will go crazy and become a fanatic?" Guo Kang also said with a smile.
"Then you go on, how to deal with them?" Zhu Wenkui continued to tease.
"This is simpler." Guo Kang analyzed: "This kind of group seems crazy and stubborn to us, and seems very firm. But in fact, this is exactly their weakness."
"In the final analysis, if a group relies heavily on religion and needs to rely on religious beliefs for integration, it means that its own consensus is not strong, and it can only rely on strict religious distinctions to define a 'difference between internal and external' to allow members to unite. "
"However, this is the best way to build identity. We have gradually worked out a set of experiences."
"Is there a trick to this?" Zhu Wenkui became more and more curious.
"Yes." Guo Kang nodded: "Think about it, since they want to use religion to make distinctions, what we need to do is, of course, make their distinctions unstrict. If we can disrupt their beliefs and force them to They suspect each other, isn't that all right?"
"We are using this method now." Guo Kang pointed to the square behind: "If the nobles and soldiers want to survive, they have to declare that they are not Poles. In this way, only those who have strong beliefs and identities Only those who don’t hesitate to persevere with their lives. And most people, like that British nobleman, are not so sure about their identities. Given the opportunity, of course they will choose to save their lives first.”
"Oh...that is to say, only those who are cunning can live, and those who really believe in Poland are dead." Zhu Wenkui nodded.
"This is only the most superficial phenomenon." Guo Kang said: "Only relying on this layer, we can't really cause damage. After all, we can't catch too many nobles at once, and the killed will also form an inspiration. "
"In history, many sects have faced persecution and massacres, but few of them can be wiped out in this way, even if the strength of the two sides is very different. We don't have such a big advantage against the Poles, and of course we don't expect to solve it in this step. question."
"Are there any other effects?" Little Jeanna couldn't help but joined the conversation.
She climbed to the car window, wanting to listen to Guo Kang's explanation.Concubine Ma was also very supportive of this, and she moved to the side to let her come over and listen.
"Yes. Because we said that Poland is a special country, and Europe is also a special environment." Guo Kang said: "Many nobles have multiple identities, and they can be people from many countries at the same time. The feelings of ordinary people for the country Very indifferent, more identified with their own hometown. Poland wants people to identify with themselves more, but we can ask them to declare that they give up this identification."
"Is this verbal statement effective?" Zhu Wenkui expressed doubts.
"Speaking out empty words will naturally have no effect. But if people hear it, it will have an effect." Guo Kang told him.
"Do you know that Tianfang teaches Shia, and there is a 'takiya' principle?" He gave an example that seemed far from the topic.
Zhu Wenkui didn't seem to have heard of it, but little Rangna nodded.
"The sixth imam of the Shia sect, because of the persecution and massacres encountered by the sect, issued a fatwa, stipulating that believers can conceal their beliefs when they are in danger." Guo Kang explained.
"However, what is interesting is that this seemingly convenient regulation has hardly appeared in other denominations. No matter Judaism, God worship or other Tianfang sects, they do not advocate this kind of behavior. Even if there is an inevitable case, The church as a whole does not encourage such things.”
"So, I have an impression." Zhu Wenkui suddenly realized: "I met a few Syrian businessmen before. Before they drank, they had to force me to persuade them to drink a few times. Is it also based on this standard?"
"If they don't belong to a specific sect, then strictly speaking, they can't use this method." Guo Kang said: "But you see, even if there is no clear regulation, everyone is still abusing this logic."
"Drinking grape juice or something is just a small problem. The biggest danger is that the religious order can no longer identify the authenticity of believers in a simple way. In a situation where it is necessary to rely on and can only rely on religion to unite everyone, this This kind of 'doubt' is very deadly."
"Someone took refuge in the enemy, and then came back, saying that he was still loyal, and he was just pretending before-now, tell me whether you believe him or not." He raised the question.
Zhu Wenkui and little Rangna looked at each other.
"For a normal organization, even if this person has never surrendered to the enemy, strict scrutiny is required to prevent him from defecting to the enemy and then returning to be a traitor." Guo Kang reminded: "It is difficult for a surrendered general to be trusted, even if he returns. Being reused, not to mention people who go back and forth twice. No matter which civilization you are in, no one will believe it casually."
"And once this hole was opened, 'false conversion' became a rule. A mixed bag of people returned one after another, including a large number of vacillating weeds, double-dealers who had compromised with the enemy, and even traitors sent by the enemy on their own initiative. How can you tell the difference?"
"And if you can't tell the difference, then a large number of people will suspect each other for a long time, and they all have the possibility of being a traitor. In this case, how does the organization work?"
"So, unless the organization is very small, and there are only very committed and trustworthy members left, almost no one would dare to do it with a big fanfare." Guo Kang said: "This is the scary part of doubt."
"And what we did was to artificially force the Poles to 'takia' and force them to suspect each other. Now, you can understand."
(End of this chapter)
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