Daming: Old Zhu, we agreed not to rush!
Chapter 134 What is the imperial examination
Chapter 134 What is the imperial examination
productive forces!
productive forces!
productive forces!
Listening to Su Jing's words, Zhu Biao couldn't bear it any longer, and asked:
"Master Su, how can this productivity be improved?"
Whether it is the reincarnation of the feudal dynasty, the demise of the feudal system, or the current food problem.
All in all, it seems that in the end, there is only one solution, productivity.
Why is the magic of productivity so great?
Because Su Jing once said that the development of productive forces will lead to the disappearance of feudal society, so Zhu Biao has never really thought about it.
But now, Zhu Biao wants to know how to improve this productivity.
"How to increase productivity?"
Su Jing was slightly taken aback, listening to Zhu Biao's question, he was also a little bit stunned.
According to the history books I have learned, it is the emergence of new productivity tools.
But this only explains a causal relationship, and it cannot be regarded as an appropriate answer to Zhu Biao's question.
Su Jing searched the memories in his mind again, but the things that popped up were all centered on economic construction.
It doesn't seem to make any difference.
its not right!
Su Jing's mind suddenly changed: "Niu Yi, I told you, science and technology are the primary productive forces."
"How long has it been, have you forgotten?"
Su Jing had already told Zhu Biao about the core point of view.
Zhu Biao replied: "Master Su, of course the students remember, but what is this science?"
Now Zhu Biao is confused and looking for an answer.
He didn't think about the relationship between productivity and dynasty, he just wanted to know how to develop productivity.
Su Jing said lightly: "I am not teaching you science every day."
Studying every day?
Zhu Biao was taken aback for a moment, and then said: "The student is stupid, please ask Master Su to clarify."
"Go get the telescope."
Su Jing didn't answer directly, but asked Zhu Biao.
Immediately, Zhu Biao went back to the room and took out a binoculars, and handed it to Su Jing.
Su Jing took the telescope and said, "Do you still remember what I taught you before I taught you how to make a telescope?"
"Naturally, I remember it. The spread of light makes the students mesmerized."
Zhu Biao replied immediately.
Su Jing's basic science courses are all entertaining and entertaining, very interesting.
Zhu Biao is serious about learning and has a deep memory.
Su Jing nodded and said: "So, why do you think I don't know how to tell you how to polish the lens of the telescope and how to make the lens barrel?"
Zhu Biao paused for a moment, then said: "Master Su often said, knowing why is very important, but knowing why is more important."
"Yes, it seems that you remember very clearly."
Su Jing nodded, and asked again: "Then how do you think the knowledge of the transmission of light that I told you came from?"
"Didn't Master Su tell the students that they all get it from books?"
Zhu Biao said a little strangely.
He really didn't understand what Su Jing meant by saying this all the time.
Su Jing asked again: "Then how did the authors of these books know?"
Now Zhu Biao was a little stunned, thought for a while and said, "They figured it out."
But as soon as he said those words, he felt something was wrong.
Because he has learned the knowledge of the propagation of light, but he just thinks about it with his brain, and he may not be able to figure it out.
"They saw it, so they knew it."
Zhu Biao changed his tune.
"Just seeing it?"
Su Jing smiled and asked: "Do you need to think after seeing it? Do you need to verify it after thinking? Do you want to summarize the law and find its principle after verification?"
A series of rhetorical questions left Zhu Biao stunned.
"Is this science?"
Zhu Biao was silent for a while, and then asked.
Su Jing said lightly: "Strictly speaking, this is part of science."
"Science is an orderly knowledge system based on testable explanations and predictions on the form and organization of objective things, and it is systematized and formulaic knowledge."
"Start from the phenomenon, explore the cause, summarize the law, organize it systematically, and form a scientific conclusion."
Listening to Su Jing's words, Zhu Biao could only try his best to understand. He understood all these words, but when combined, he needed some comprehension skills.
"So, Master Su means that science needs to be developed?"
Zhu Biao understood for a while, then slowly said.
Su Jing nodded and said: "That's right, if you want to develop productivity, science needs to be at the forefront, and science education is especially important."
It is too broad to focus on economic construction.
Su Jing still thinks that developing science is the most practical.
"In today's Ming Dynasty, there are many schools and imperial examinations to get officials. Isn't it the development of science?"
Zhu Biao looked at Su Jing and said.
Daming has been advocating learning.
Su Jing shook his head and said: "Da Ming's school is the way to get an official. Strictly speaking, it cannot be regarded as science, or it is only a very small part."
Daming’s education is not science?
Zhu Biao was quite surprised, and he immediately retorted: "Since the Sui Dynasty, the imperial examination has been the way for countless scholars to become officials. Schools have become popular because of this. Knowledge is spread among the common people. How can it not be regarded as science?"
The imperial examination is something that countless scholars pursue all their lives, and the school keeps spreading knowledge.
In Zhu Biao's view, isn't this just developing science?
Su Jing smiled, and was not in a hurry to refute, but said lightly: "Since we talked about the imperial examination, let's talk about the imperial examination."
"Okay, Master Su."
Zhu Biao nodded, he also wanted to know, in Su Jing's eyes, what is the imperial examination?
Su Jing asked: "Before the imperial examination, what methods do ordinary people usually use to become an official?"
Zhu Biao thought for a while and replied: "The Zhou Dynasty used the recommendation system, the Han Dynasty used the inspection system and the expropriation system, and later there were more filial sons and honest officials. By the time of Emperor Wen of Wei, it was the nine-rank Zhongzheng system."
Zhu Biao is still very clear about this kind of historical knowledge, especially related to the way of selecting talents.
Because when I was in Dahondo, this is what I need to focus on learning.
As a prince, it is necessary to know these things.
"Yes, you are very clear about this."
Su Jing praised, and then said: "Then what do you think the imperial examinations are for?"
What is the purpose of imperial examinations?
When Zhu Biao heard Su Jing's words, he didn't hesitate, and replied directly: "Naturally, it is to allow scholars to become officials, so that there will be more capable people in the court, so that talented and learned people will not decline."
As soon as Zhu Biao finished speaking, he felt something was wrong.
Su Jing smiled and said: "So, you also know that science does not appear for education, right?"
Zhu Biao was stunned for a moment, but immediately retorted: "But the imperial examination made the people realize the importance of reading, and education has also been popularized because of this?"
Don't look at the starting point, but look at the actual effect.
Zhu Biao became more pragmatic.
Su Jing nodded and said: "Yes, because of the emergence of the imperial examination, the number of schools has increased, and more people have sent their sons to study in schools, and the number of scholars has also increased a lot."
"The fate of many people has changed because of studying and the imperial examination."
"In any case, the imperial examination is a good move that benefits the country and the people."
Following Zhu Biao's words, Su Jing lavishly praised the benefits of the imperial examination, which also made Zhu Biao puzzled.
Shouldn't it be said that the imperial examinations are not good?
"but!"
Su Jingfeng turned around and said: "The imperial examination hinders the dissemination and development of scientific knowledge."
As soon as this remark came out, Zhu Biao's eyes widened, with an expression of disbelief.
The imperial examinations obviously made education popular, so how could it hinder the dissemination and development of scientific knowledge?
"Master Su, the students don't understand."
Zhu Biao directly expressed his doubts, he couldn't figure it out.
Su Jing said lightly: "It doesn't matter if you don't understand, you will understand after I finish talking."
"We have talked about the general situation of the imperial examination just now, Niu Yi, so now you think about it, why have the imperial examinations been implemented in all dynasties since the emergence of the imperial examination?"
Why will the imperial examination be carried out?
What kind of problem is this?
Zhu Biao's doubts became even worse, and he replied: "Of course it is because the imperial examination is good, so it will continue to be implemented."
"No no no."
Su Jing directly shook her head and said, "What's good? It's not just what you say is good."
"Taxation and corvée are not good for the common people, and they haven't disappeared."
"It is a great thing to benefit the country and the people, so why has no one proposed to implement it until now?"
Su Jing simply asked back, leaving Zhu Biao speechless again.
He realized that what he just said was too simple.
"Master Su, why are the imperial examinations kept going?"
Zhu Biao can only ask Su Jing for advice.
Su Jing said lightly: "Because the imperial examination is good enough!"
it is good?
Didn't you just deny that the imperial examination is good, why say it now?
Zhu Biao was stunned.
Su Jing continued: "But this is good, it is good enough for the rulers of the feudal dynasty."
"Things that are beneficial to the ruler will naturally be vigorously promoted."
"This is the most fundamental reason why the imperial examination system has been able to continue until now."
"It is in the interests of the ruler. To put it bluntly, it is good for the king, or a great benefit."
Although the imperial examination is a great pioneering work in Chinese history and has many good meanings, the root cause of its enduring prosperity is that it meets the ruling needs of the ruler.
Zhu Biao frowned, listening to Su Jing's words, he was also thinking.
Is this really the reason why the imperial examination can continue to the present?
"Mr. Su, the students think that the imperial examinations give countless scholars the opportunity to become officials, and after they become officials, they support the imperial examinations so that the imperial examinations can continue."
Zhu Biao said slowly: "Just being a king, I'm afraid I can't do this."
I have to say that Zhu Biao is still thinking.
Su Jing smiled and said: "Oh, you start from another angle. That's right, you are good at thinking."
"But unfortunately, there is a fundamental mistake in your thinking."
Fundamentally wrong?
Zhu Biao didn't know how to answer for a while, so he could only say: "Master Su, the students don't understand, what's wrong?"
Zhu Biao thought that he did not refute Su Jing's point of view, at most he just supplemented it.
He really didn't know what was wrong.
Su Jing said lightly: "The mistake is taking it for granted. Let me ask you, Niu Yi, why do you think that scholars will support the imperial examination system after they become officials through the imperial examination?"
Zhu Biao took it for granted: "Is this the obvious truth? A scholar, when there is no imperial examination, no matter how much he studies, he cannot change his background, nor can he become an official."
"But with the imperial examination, he can change his own destiny with his own efforts. Wouldn't he be grateful for the imperial examination?"
This is Zhu Biao's point of view that imperial examinations can change fate.
He didn't think there was anything wrong with what he thought.
Su Jing smiled, and did not directly answer Zhu Biao's question, but said: "Niu Yi, then I will ask you another question now."
"If a boat carrying a boatload of people capsizes in the middle of a river, a boatman comes to rescue them, but his boat is too small to hold everyone. If they are forced to load, the boat will capsize too. "
"At this time, the underwater person definitely wants to get on the boat, but after he gets on the boat, what do you think he will do?"
boats and people.
Zhu Biao thought carefully about the story Su Jing told, and was a little surprised at first, but after a while, his expression suddenly shook.
"Master Su, are you saying that this imperial examination is a small boat, and those who board the boat are those scholars who passed the imperial examination and became officials. After they board the boat, the first thing they want to do is expel those who are still underwater?"
Zhu Biao said abruptly towards Su Jing, speaking very fast and quite excited.
"Not bad, comprehend quickly."
Su Jing nodded and said, such a student is really easy to teach.
Zhu Biao's expression was shaken, and he asked again: "But how can the imperial examination be a small boat? The latecomers continue the imperial examination, and it can't affect the scholars who have already passed the examination?"
"The imperial examination is the avenue for scholars all over the world. Students think that what Master Su said is very inappropriate."
In Zhu Biao's heart, the weight of the imperial examination is still very heavy.
Although Su Jing could understand Su Jing's description, he didn't agree much.
"It has nothing to do with the imperial examination itself."
Su Jing said flatly: "As for you saying that you can't influence those who have already passed the exam, this is wrong. For scholars who have changed their destiny through the imperial examination and jumped from the commoner class to the official and gentry class, what they want is Solidify your own class."
"Not only themselves, but also their descendants, all must remain in the official and gentry class."
"For them, from the moment they change their own destiny through the imperial examination system, the imperial examination is useless, and it is their hindrance."
"The dragon slayer will eventually become a dragon, this is human nature."
Su Jing's plain words brought even greater shock to Zhu Biao.
He hadn't thought about it from this angle before, but now with Su Jing's suggestion, he realized that this was the case.
Just as his father wanted the Zhu family to always have the world, those officials must have the idea of hereditary succession in their hearts.
In this way, the imperial examination ship immediately became a small boat, unable to carry so many "people".
(End of this chapter)
productive forces!
productive forces!
productive forces!
Listening to Su Jing's words, Zhu Biao couldn't bear it any longer, and asked:
"Master Su, how can this productivity be improved?"
Whether it is the reincarnation of the feudal dynasty, the demise of the feudal system, or the current food problem.
All in all, it seems that in the end, there is only one solution, productivity.
Why is the magic of productivity so great?
Because Su Jing once said that the development of productive forces will lead to the disappearance of feudal society, so Zhu Biao has never really thought about it.
But now, Zhu Biao wants to know how to improve this productivity.
"How to increase productivity?"
Su Jing was slightly taken aback, listening to Zhu Biao's question, he was also a little bit stunned.
According to the history books I have learned, it is the emergence of new productivity tools.
But this only explains a causal relationship, and it cannot be regarded as an appropriate answer to Zhu Biao's question.
Su Jing searched the memories in his mind again, but the things that popped up were all centered on economic construction.
It doesn't seem to make any difference.
its not right!
Su Jing's mind suddenly changed: "Niu Yi, I told you, science and technology are the primary productive forces."
"How long has it been, have you forgotten?"
Su Jing had already told Zhu Biao about the core point of view.
Zhu Biao replied: "Master Su, of course the students remember, but what is this science?"
Now Zhu Biao is confused and looking for an answer.
He didn't think about the relationship between productivity and dynasty, he just wanted to know how to develop productivity.
Su Jing said lightly: "I am not teaching you science every day."
Studying every day?
Zhu Biao was taken aback for a moment, and then said: "The student is stupid, please ask Master Su to clarify."
"Go get the telescope."
Su Jing didn't answer directly, but asked Zhu Biao.
Immediately, Zhu Biao went back to the room and took out a binoculars, and handed it to Su Jing.
Su Jing took the telescope and said, "Do you still remember what I taught you before I taught you how to make a telescope?"
"Naturally, I remember it. The spread of light makes the students mesmerized."
Zhu Biao replied immediately.
Su Jing's basic science courses are all entertaining and entertaining, very interesting.
Zhu Biao is serious about learning and has a deep memory.
Su Jing nodded and said: "So, why do you think I don't know how to tell you how to polish the lens of the telescope and how to make the lens barrel?"
Zhu Biao paused for a moment, then said: "Master Su often said, knowing why is very important, but knowing why is more important."
"Yes, it seems that you remember very clearly."
Su Jing nodded, and asked again: "Then how do you think the knowledge of the transmission of light that I told you came from?"
"Didn't Master Su tell the students that they all get it from books?"
Zhu Biao said a little strangely.
He really didn't understand what Su Jing meant by saying this all the time.
Su Jing asked again: "Then how did the authors of these books know?"
Now Zhu Biao was a little stunned, thought for a while and said, "They figured it out."
But as soon as he said those words, he felt something was wrong.
Because he has learned the knowledge of the propagation of light, but he just thinks about it with his brain, and he may not be able to figure it out.
"They saw it, so they knew it."
Zhu Biao changed his tune.
"Just seeing it?"
Su Jing smiled and asked: "Do you need to think after seeing it? Do you need to verify it after thinking? Do you want to summarize the law and find its principle after verification?"
A series of rhetorical questions left Zhu Biao stunned.
"Is this science?"
Zhu Biao was silent for a while, and then asked.
Su Jing said lightly: "Strictly speaking, this is part of science."
"Science is an orderly knowledge system based on testable explanations and predictions on the form and organization of objective things, and it is systematized and formulaic knowledge."
"Start from the phenomenon, explore the cause, summarize the law, organize it systematically, and form a scientific conclusion."
Listening to Su Jing's words, Zhu Biao could only try his best to understand. He understood all these words, but when combined, he needed some comprehension skills.
"So, Master Su means that science needs to be developed?"
Zhu Biao understood for a while, then slowly said.
Su Jing nodded and said: "That's right, if you want to develop productivity, science needs to be at the forefront, and science education is especially important."
It is too broad to focus on economic construction.
Su Jing still thinks that developing science is the most practical.
"In today's Ming Dynasty, there are many schools and imperial examinations to get officials. Isn't it the development of science?"
Zhu Biao looked at Su Jing and said.
Daming has been advocating learning.
Su Jing shook his head and said: "Da Ming's school is the way to get an official. Strictly speaking, it cannot be regarded as science, or it is only a very small part."
Daming’s education is not science?
Zhu Biao was quite surprised, and he immediately retorted: "Since the Sui Dynasty, the imperial examination has been the way for countless scholars to become officials. Schools have become popular because of this. Knowledge is spread among the common people. How can it not be regarded as science?"
The imperial examination is something that countless scholars pursue all their lives, and the school keeps spreading knowledge.
In Zhu Biao's view, isn't this just developing science?
Su Jing smiled, and was not in a hurry to refute, but said lightly: "Since we talked about the imperial examination, let's talk about the imperial examination."
"Okay, Master Su."
Zhu Biao nodded, he also wanted to know, in Su Jing's eyes, what is the imperial examination?
Su Jing asked: "Before the imperial examination, what methods do ordinary people usually use to become an official?"
Zhu Biao thought for a while and replied: "The Zhou Dynasty used the recommendation system, the Han Dynasty used the inspection system and the expropriation system, and later there were more filial sons and honest officials. By the time of Emperor Wen of Wei, it was the nine-rank Zhongzheng system."
Zhu Biao is still very clear about this kind of historical knowledge, especially related to the way of selecting talents.
Because when I was in Dahondo, this is what I need to focus on learning.
As a prince, it is necessary to know these things.
"Yes, you are very clear about this."
Su Jing praised, and then said: "Then what do you think the imperial examinations are for?"
What is the purpose of imperial examinations?
When Zhu Biao heard Su Jing's words, he didn't hesitate, and replied directly: "Naturally, it is to allow scholars to become officials, so that there will be more capable people in the court, so that talented and learned people will not decline."
As soon as Zhu Biao finished speaking, he felt something was wrong.
Su Jing smiled and said: "So, you also know that science does not appear for education, right?"
Zhu Biao was stunned for a moment, but immediately retorted: "But the imperial examination made the people realize the importance of reading, and education has also been popularized because of this?"
Don't look at the starting point, but look at the actual effect.
Zhu Biao became more pragmatic.
Su Jing nodded and said: "Yes, because of the emergence of the imperial examination, the number of schools has increased, and more people have sent their sons to study in schools, and the number of scholars has also increased a lot."
"The fate of many people has changed because of studying and the imperial examination."
"In any case, the imperial examination is a good move that benefits the country and the people."
Following Zhu Biao's words, Su Jing lavishly praised the benefits of the imperial examination, which also made Zhu Biao puzzled.
Shouldn't it be said that the imperial examinations are not good?
"but!"
Su Jingfeng turned around and said: "The imperial examination hinders the dissemination and development of scientific knowledge."
As soon as this remark came out, Zhu Biao's eyes widened, with an expression of disbelief.
The imperial examinations obviously made education popular, so how could it hinder the dissemination and development of scientific knowledge?
"Master Su, the students don't understand."
Zhu Biao directly expressed his doubts, he couldn't figure it out.
Su Jing said lightly: "It doesn't matter if you don't understand, you will understand after I finish talking."
"We have talked about the general situation of the imperial examination just now, Niu Yi, so now you think about it, why have the imperial examinations been implemented in all dynasties since the emergence of the imperial examination?"
Why will the imperial examination be carried out?
What kind of problem is this?
Zhu Biao's doubts became even worse, and he replied: "Of course it is because the imperial examination is good, so it will continue to be implemented."
"No no no."
Su Jing directly shook her head and said, "What's good? It's not just what you say is good."
"Taxation and corvée are not good for the common people, and they haven't disappeared."
"It is a great thing to benefit the country and the people, so why has no one proposed to implement it until now?"
Su Jing simply asked back, leaving Zhu Biao speechless again.
He realized that what he just said was too simple.
"Master Su, why are the imperial examinations kept going?"
Zhu Biao can only ask Su Jing for advice.
Su Jing said lightly: "Because the imperial examination is good enough!"
it is good?
Didn't you just deny that the imperial examination is good, why say it now?
Zhu Biao was stunned.
Su Jing continued: "But this is good, it is good enough for the rulers of the feudal dynasty."
"Things that are beneficial to the ruler will naturally be vigorously promoted."
"This is the most fundamental reason why the imperial examination system has been able to continue until now."
"It is in the interests of the ruler. To put it bluntly, it is good for the king, or a great benefit."
Although the imperial examination is a great pioneering work in Chinese history and has many good meanings, the root cause of its enduring prosperity is that it meets the ruling needs of the ruler.
Zhu Biao frowned, listening to Su Jing's words, he was also thinking.
Is this really the reason why the imperial examination can continue to the present?
"Mr. Su, the students think that the imperial examinations give countless scholars the opportunity to become officials, and after they become officials, they support the imperial examinations so that the imperial examinations can continue."
Zhu Biao said slowly: "Just being a king, I'm afraid I can't do this."
I have to say that Zhu Biao is still thinking.
Su Jing smiled and said: "Oh, you start from another angle. That's right, you are good at thinking."
"But unfortunately, there is a fundamental mistake in your thinking."
Fundamentally wrong?
Zhu Biao didn't know how to answer for a while, so he could only say: "Master Su, the students don't understand, what's wrong?"
Zhu Biao thought that he did not refute Su Jing's point of view, at most he just supplemented it.
He really didn't know what was wrong.
Su Jing said lightly: "The mistake is taking it for granted. Let me ask you, Niu Yi, why do you think that scholars will support the imperial examination system after they become officials through the imperial examination?"
Zhu Biao took it for granted: "Is this the obvious truth? A scholar, when there is no imperial examination, no matter how much he studies, he cannot change his background, nor can he become an official."
"But with the imperial examination, he can change his own destiny with his own efforts. Wouldn't he be grateful for the imperial examination?"
This is Zhu Biao's point of view that imperial examinations can change fate.
He didn't think there was anything wrong with what he thought.
Su Jing smiled, and did not directly answer Zhu Biao's question, but said: "Niu Yi, then I will ask you another question now."
"If a boat carrying a boatload of people capsizes in the middle of a river, a boatman comes to rescue them, but his boat is too small to hold everyone. If they are forced to load, the boat will capsize too. "
"At this time, the underwater person definitely wants to get on the boat, but after he gets on the boat, what do you think he will do?"
boats and people.
Zhu Biao thought carefully about the story Su Jing told, and was a little surprised at first, but after a while, his expression suddenly shook.
"Master Su, are you saying that this imperial examination is a small boat, and those who board the boat are those scholars who passed the imperial examination and became officials. After they board the boat, the first thing they want to do is expel those who are still underwater?"
Zhu Biao said abruptly towards Su Jing, speaking very fast and quite excited.
"Not bad, comprehend quickly."
Su Jing nodded and said, such a student is really easy to teach.
Zhu Biao's expression was shaken, and he asked again: "But how can the imperial examination be a small boat? The latecomers continue the imperial examination, and it can't affect the scholars who have already passed the examination?"
"The imperial examination is the avenue for scholars all over the world. Students think that what Master Su said is very inappropriate."
In Zhu Biao's heart, the weight of the imperial examination is still very heavy.
Although Su Jing could understand Su Jing's description, he didn't agree much.
"It has nothing to do with the imperial examination itself."
Su Jing said flatly: "As for you saying that you can't influence those who have already passed the exam, this is wrong. For scholars who have changed their destiny through the imperial examination and jumped from the commoner class to the official and gentry class, what they want is Solidify your own class."
"Not only themselves, but also their descendants, all must remain in the official and gentry class."
"For them, from the moment they change their own destiny through the imperial examination system, the imperial examination is useless, and it is their hindrance."
"The dragon slayer will eventually become a dragon, this is human nature."
Su Jing's plain words brought even greater shock to Zhu Biao.
He hadn't thought about it from this angle before, but now with Su Jing's suggestion, he realized that this was the case.
Just as his father wanted the Zhu family to always have the world, those officials must have the idea of hereditary succession in their hearts.
In this way, the imperial examination ship immediately became a small boat, unable to carry so many "people".
(End of this chapter)
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