They are all in the army, who is in love?

Chapter 325 Tit for tat, everyone was dumbfounded

With old man Lin sitting here, the discipline in the training class is surprisingly good.

No one spoke, no one communicated, everyone just sat in their seats.

As the deputy dean, Lin Qingyuan naturally will not host the course. He is just more responsible and came to the debate site in advance to wait.

The host was still instructor Yang Fengrui.

The Debate Academy is also quite serious, and several of the instructors even took notes on the spot, which shows that the higher-ups attach great importance to it.

Yang Fengrui glanced around the students, saw that everyone was ready, and said loudly: "Comrades, wait a moment, we are about to start the debate."

"I have already discussed all the key points about combat command and military management in detail in class."

"Everyone has given different answers in the manuscript. I am speaking here alone. I am not sure how much you have heard."

"So, this afternoon we will hold a debate based on the academic theory of the first stage and the grassroots practice of the second stage."

"The main core of the debate, as I have mentioned this morning, is about whether the command environment, command means and command information are command elements."

"Comrade Chen Ming gave a comprehensive explanation in this regard. His view is that these three aspects are all factors that affect the core of command."

"Comrade Ding Yuan and Comrade Zhao Shenghu pointed out different opinions in the project manuscript. They comprehensively analyzed the marginalization of the influence of command elements based on the command environment, command methods, and command information."

"Two contradictory views have always been controversial in academic circles, including the current National Defense University, and academic experts in all secondary colleges also have disputes in this regard."

"Soldiers talk about combat, and officers talk about command. Today, you are not required to debate and come up with a conclusion, but you must debate this point of view deeply into the hearts of the people."

"Let all students on site clearly understand which aspects of combat command will be disrupted."

"Okay, everyone stands up. Those who agree with Comrade Chen Ming, that is, the comrades assigned to Group B this morning, please sit in the left row of the classroom."

The debate is about to begin.

Chen Ming's manuscript was the main point, so of course he had to set an example by getting up early and moving from the middle of the classroom to the left.

The other seven people also quickly stood up and followed behind.

Whether it's a real fight or a verbal fight, this momentum cannot be lost, even though there are only a few of them.

There was no expression change on Chen Ming's face, and he was not timid at all. He looked up at the 40 people on the right with calm eyes.

The wait begins.

Dozens of people on the opposite side also quickly changed places, and in the middle was where the conductor was responsible for taking notes.

Chen Ming knew that there were many people in Group A, but that didn't necessarily mean that they had the same thinking. Most of them were vague about their own views and thought they were reasonable, but they were not capable of debating.

Another part is purely a herd mentality. Can he, a major, write more profound opinions than a colonel who has been immersed in the army for decades?
Therefore, many people subconsciously believe that people with higher positions have more experience.

It's impossible to go wrong here.

Of course, there are still some people who agree with them.

A manuscript can only have a few pages at most. It is difficult to explain everyone's views, and it is impossible to explore all of one person's thoughts.

The purpose of the debate is to allow more people to unify the basics and learn more comprehensive perspectives on combat command and military training.

Level the level between each other and start the third stage.

Seeing that both parties had arrived at their positions, the instructor Yang Fengrui smiled and nodded, obviously he had anticipated this situation.

It doesn't matter if there are more people or less. As long as you can truly express your views and analyze them in detail, your trip to the National Defense University will be worthwhile.

The purpose of the debate has been achieved.

"Okay, all leaders, please sit down."

"Now the debate will begin. Comrade conductor is responsible for taking notes."

"Comrade Chen Ming's project manuscript is relatively comprehensive. First of all, it is up to you to explain why the command environment, command methods and command information should be included in the command elements."

As the debate began, the officers present became a little nervous and could not help but relax.

In the direction of the podium, under the large multimedia screen, there was a black face staring at them.

Vice President Lin Qingyuan treats Chen Ming with admiration. Everyone can see this. Now that Chen Ming is asked to mention it first, can you not be nervous?

This guy has profound theoretical knowledge, which is obvious to all of them. Join him. His views are inconsistent and you can't use them.

Go against him, and you don't have much confidence. Who knows if this kid will be like the old monk chanting sutras, beeping for a long time and reciting a scripture that no one can understand?
Lessons learned from the past, we have to guard against it.

When everyone's eyes were fixed on Chen Ming, he stood up at exactly the right time.

He stood up and stood at attention and saluted all the officers present, fulfilling the etiquette of juniors.

"Hello fellow chiefs and comrades, before I elaborate on my views, I would like to introduce myself first."

"I served in the artillery brigade of the 71st Group Army in the Eastern Theater Command, and also in the 169th Combined Battalion of the 73th Brigade, which later became the Tiger and Wolf Battalion. I also served in the Longya of the [-]rd Army, and in the Fourth Army Division of the Southern Xinjiang Border Defense. I stayed in the Border Guard Corps.”

"I have also worked in the Logistics, Engineer and Maintenance Department of the Tibetan Military Region, so my views are more integrated and I will be more inclined to synthesis, because this is the unit I have actually led."

"I'm done with my introduction, let's talk about my point of view."

"First of all, I believe that the scientific division of combat command elements must adhere to certain standards and principles. When studying the division of combat command elements, it is even more important to determine the standards and principles for the division of elements."

"Objectively speaking, all necessary factors that constitute a thing can be called the elements of that thing."

"Combat command is the same as anything else in the world. It is a complete dynamic system composed of many elements. According to system theory and general logical requirements, combat command elements must meet the following points."

"First, they constitute the necessary components of combat command. The so-called necessary components mean that these factors and conditions play a decisive role in the occurrence and development of combat command and are an indispensable part."

"Second, they are also the essential components of the combat command process. These factors and conditions are inherent components of combat command itself and have an inherent decisive role in the nature of combat command."

"If you don't consider the command environment, where to command, and what to use to command, then the restrictions on a unit will be very large."

"When we decompose molecules, we usually regard atoms as the constituent elements of molecules, rather than dividing the composition of atoms into protons and neutrons, which are the constituent elements of molecules."

"These are components that should be independent of each other and at the same level, and should not be separated from any aspect."

"Including commanding operations, the commanding environment, commanding methods, and commanding tools are originally part of commanding operations."

"Why do you have to throw it away? Forcibly divide this part into a part that is not important at all?"

"So I think that the command environment, whether it is the internal environment or the external environment, the command tools, whether they are the tools and equipment used by the command, or various investigation tools, command automation systems, etc."

"These are all factors that affect combat command. A small detail can determine the outcome of a war, not to mention the command environment, command tools, and command methods."

"It's more of an integral part."

"I've made my point, thank you all."

Chen Ming finished his point of view neatly and sat down in his seat with a "snap", which caused several people in Group B to hold their heads high and look at the opposite side provocatively like a cockfight.

Instructor Yang Fengrui blinked and looked at Group A with some sympathy. He understood very well that Chen Ming came prepared.

But he is the referee now, no matter who wins or loses, it is not his place to react now.

Instead, he raised his hand to the right to make an invitation gesture, which meant that it was time for them to stand up and express their views.

I saw the instructor making this gesture without correcting or reminding Chen Ming anything.

Some of the officers in Group A were stunned. They looked at each other with big eyes and small eyes, but they all remained silent.

Damn it, how can academic issues be so easy to refute?
If you were to tell me which battle I fought, how I arranged reconnaissance, how I arranged firepower, how I arranged logistics, and how I rushed for reinforcements, that's what I said.

Then they can fight against each other until their faces turn red, and no one is willing to admit defeat.

But as soon as he started, he messed with atoms and molecules, making it sound like an old professor was speaking. What the hell?

Even some officers didn't understand what Chen Ming was talking about. How to refute this?

The atmosphere was at a deadlock for a while.

Chen Ming's old neighbor Xie Canxiong regrets it. Damn it, if you know that Chen Ming is so strong, he went to Group B. Who can't sit there without speaking and pose as a winner?

It's better than the 40 or so of them sitting here in a daze.

He originally thought that there were few people on Chen Ming's side and everyone had to speak actively. If he didn't know anything in the past and couldn't say a word, it would definitely be a hindrance.

Who would have thought that the result is exactly the opposite.Chen Ming controlled the situation by himself, and there was no need for the others in Group B.

Damn, this wave of blood loss.

But soon, someone in Group A realized that Lao Jiang was still a bit spicier.

The fat colonel Zhao Shenghu, who was famous in the training class earlier, stood up confidently after chatting with a few people around him.

He also followed Chen Ming's example and saluted everyone present, and then said: "I admit that a small detail can determine the outcome of a war. I cannot refute this view."

"However, modern warfare is all about intelligence. We do not lack firepower or mobility. As long as we have enough intelligence, everything else can be classified as ordinary and not considered command elements."

"Then let alone the issue of command environment, command tools, and command methods, which are core elements of combat command. I completely disagree with this."

"First of all, the command environment is not something that the commander can choose. Where the battle is fought, the troops must be drawn. The command environment is full of too many uncertainties."

"If this is taken as the core issue, wouldn't it mean that the guerrilla warfare we fought in the past always lacked a core in terms of command?"

"At least part of it will be missing, right?"

"As for command tools, whether it is issuing orders through a modern terminal visualization system, or conveying them level by level in the most stupid way, even in ancient times, there was an eight-hundred-mile expedited order."

"These are the extent to which command tools are used to the extent the war is fought on the battlefield."

"The core means that without these things, the command will not be formed. It is impossible to say that if these things are lost in a battle, then there will be no command, right?"

"The remaining issue regarding command means, in other words, is the method of command."

"This is also about making reasonable adjustments based on the extent of the war."

"As the saying goes, never fight an unprepared battle, but on the battlefield, as soon as the first shot is fired, all soldiers in the army rush forward. At this time, any command tools, command environment, and command methods must be put aside. .”

"If these are parts of the combat command elements, I admit that they are a whole in themselves."

"But to say that these three aspects are the core factors that affect command, I beg to differ."

"As I said before, war is ever-changing. For a commander, considering too many issues that affect the core elements of command will delay the opportunity for combat."

"I've made my point, thank you all."

Zhao Shenghu's rebuttal could be said to be just right, and in the blink of an eye, a group of officers in Group A breathed a long sigh of relief.

Fortunately, Group B was not stumped. The back and forth between the two groups also aroused the enthusiasm of many officers, who were eager to try and show off.

After listening to Zhao Shenghu's explanation, Chen Ming raised a smile on his lips.

He didn't take a lunch break after lunch. He came over early to study the two manuscripts and had already thought about the other party's ideas.

I also expected that they would use this point of view to refute themselves.

Yes, the war situation is changing rapidly. Of course Chen Ming admits this and has nothing to say.

But don’t forget one thing. If you make corresponding adjustments according to the war situation, this is only true in theory.

In reality, there is a fundamental difference between exercises and actual combat.

Especially when modern warfare suddenly breaks out, who will give you a chance to make adjustments?
If a battle reaches a point where the commander needs to make temporary adjustments, then the battle is equivalent to losing.

Among the ever-changing things, the most obvious one is the word "ephemeral".

In the information age and the digital battlefield, one minute can determine the outcome of a war. At that time, how can we make adjustments based on the situation on the battlefield?

The enemy will not give him this chance.

Even if you are given this opportunity, how can you make the most effective adjustments in the shortest time?
In intense wars, or when actual combat breaks out, there is often a rush to fight, and if everything is decided based on the battlefield conditions, it is like being led by others.

The other party has already raised a rebuttal, and Chen Ming is no longer hesitant and does not need the other members of Group B to respond.

Chen Ming stood up and confronted him tit for tat.

"I personally oppose the views put forward by Chief Zhao Shenghu just now."

"First of all, for a commander to think too much about the core elements of command, these cannot be considered after rushing to the battlefield."

"But before the full-scale war breaks out, all factors must be taken into consideration. The overall plan for war command before the war itself is to consider all aspects."

"It is impossible to put aside any issues that affect the core aspects of operational command, all operational deployments, operational areas, operational environments, operational terrain, whether the definition of war is invasion or defense."

"These must be fully deployed before the troops set off. Only in this way can we ensure that all combat troops quickly enter combat status after arriving on the battlefield."

"If the fighter opportunity is delayed because of too much consideration, then I can only say that the pre-war preparations are insufficient. If the combat deployment is carried out in advance, the location of the command post and the channels used to transmit information cannot be bypassed."

"Without corresponding command information and command tools, it will be difficult for a commander to command the command object, and it will be difficult for the combat command to continue."

"And according to the principle of independence of divided elements, elements should not include or intersect with each other, and combat arrangements should be deployed in advance. Considering this aspect, can't we directly exclude this aspect from the battle?"

"The method of pre-war deployment is the product of the organic combination and interaction between the subjective initiative of the command and command technical equipment."

"It is more reflected in the subjective initiative of the commander. It is the human factor in the command tool. When making various combat plans, all factors have been taken into account."

"That's why we made detailed and careful plans."

"It's just that after arriving on the battlefield, we don't think about the command environment, command tools and command methods."

“Because of this, comprehensive planning has been done.”

"If we make these plans on the battlefield, then this battle will not need to be fought."

“I don’t agree with this view of taking something that has already been planned and discarding some of the factors.”

The more Chen Ming spoke, the sharper his words became. In the end, he even shouted loudly: "Combat command, the commander's preparation for the battle of his troops, and the implementation of operational planning and dispatching activities. These activities are not created out of thin air, right?"

“There needs to be some space and time to support that.”

"Then while this time and space support it, the third condition cannot be circumvented."

"In this case, why do we bypass these three conditions when it comes to discussing the core factors that affect combat command on the battlefield?"

"I've made my point, thank you all."

Chen Ming's rebuttal also brought the debate to a climax. Colonel Ding Yuan of Group A stood up and confronted Chen Ming without waiting for the instructor's signal.

"What you just talked about was pre-war preparations. These are not unique internal things after arriving on the battlefield, but external things."

"It means that it has been prepared in advance. It is the external condition for the occurrence of combat command activities and this objective thing."

"We cannot treat this external thing as an essential component of combat command. Also, although environmental content will only restrict and influence operations."

"It affects the commander's selection of combat targets, use of troops, and application of tactics."

"These are the basis and indispensable conditions for commanders to make operational decisions, plan organizations, coordinate and control activities."

"However, a commander directs soldiers to fight. I think the battlefield environment and the command environment have little impact on the commander."

"It is even said that there is no need to consider it, because the commander's responsibility is to coordinate the overall situation, not to charge into battle. Environmental content can only play its due role if it is controlled by the commander in the form of information."

"Therefore, I think it is barely acceptable to use environmental factors as a manifestation of results, but they absolutely cannot be used as command elements themselves."

“Terrain and environment can be used as elements of combat, but this does not mean that they can become elements of command.”

"So I will not change my view. There are only three elements of combat: the commander, the commanded and the medium in the middle of the command."

"Other factors cannot become the core factor affecting combat command. My point is over. Thank you everyone."

Chen Ming did not sit down after explaining his views just now, and neither did Colonel Ding Yuan.

The two men were clearly standing firm for their views.

But other officers were dumbfounded.

I feel that when Chen Ming speaks, Chen Ming is right, and when Ding Yuan speaks, Ding Yuan is right.

Suddenly many people didn’t know how to judge, let alone how to refute.

The atmosphere in the classroom immediately became tense.

(End of this chapter)