Autumn of the 17th year of Chongzhen
Chapter 1204 Fulin thinks it is okay to talk about the conditions
Chapter 1204 Fulin thinks it is okay to talk about the conditions
Since the defeat of the Central Plains, Lou Qin ordered the entire city to be under martial law. Even in the daytime, no one could be seen on the streets in the entire city, just like a ghost town.
At this time, in the Qing palace, although many people gathered in the hall, it was still as dead and silent as in the city.
Now Fulin, who is nominally in charge of the government, sits on the big treasure, with no trace of joy on his face, but his face sinks like water.
Because just now Louqin put forward a proposal that he could not accept, let him go to the throne, ask the Ming Dynasty for peace, and give up Beijing and withdraw from the customs.
He has been the emperor for 11 years. He didn't understand anything in the past few years, but in recent years he has become sensible but can't make decisions.
He wants to take power, but power has been held by Dorgon.
Now that Dorgon is dead, Duoduo is also dead. He finally had the opportunity to get in touch with the highest power in the Qing Dynasty, but the power of Dorgon's remnant party is still strong, and he still has to make trouble with him.
When Lou Qin gave him such a memorial, Fulin felt like a million words in his heart.
Fulin also thought that the Qing had lost, but he didn't think it was time to beg for mercy.
Although Dorgun is dead, there are still many Dorgon's people in the court. Louqin is the son of Azige, and many of them stand behind Louqin.
Although his authority is not as powerful as that of Dorgon, he is relatively powerful in the Manchu Qing court.
A few days ago, he proposed to posthumously seal Dorgon and bury Duoduo generously. Although Fulin thought in his heart that the three brothers Dorgon, Duoduo, and Azige, especially Dorgon, were sinners of the Qing Dynasty through the ages, he thought To liquidate Dorgon, but under the pressure of Lou Qin, he finally agreed to let the Ministry of Rites handle the matter solemnly.
At this time, Lou Qin stood in the center of the hall and said to everyone: "According to the military reports from various places, Ming general Dai Zhifan led an army of 20 troops and has entered the Daming Mansion. After King Jingjin withdrew his troops from Xuanda, the rebel general Jiang Youguang is already preparing to enter the army. Juyongguan, and the Ming general Li Dingguo and the rebel Jiang Xiang joined forces in Taiyuan, and they will soon leave the well and enter Beizhi. These Ming armies may have more than [-] troops..."
In the main hall, many Manchu nobles exclaimed, all panicked, not knowing what to do.
Lou Qin sighed and said, "Everyone knows that there are less than 2 bannermen in the capital now, and we can't stay in Beijing any longer." He glanced at everyone, and said solemnly, "When the regent passed away, there was an explanation. Let's go to the emperor, admit defeat to Nanming, and then give up the capital, in exchange for us Manchus to thrive between the white mountains and the black waters."
Those who experienced the Great War in the Central Plains can now be said to be on the side of Lou Qin. After they were severely beaten by the Ming Dynasty, they already understood the huge gap between the Qing Dynasty and the Ming Dynasty, and knew that the battle could no longer be fought. up.
Luo Keduo also stood in the center of the hall after his brother-in-law finished speaking, and said in a painful voice: "Your Majesty, don't hesitate any longer, it's too late, let the Ming army surround Beijing, then we won't be able to leave."
Fulin's face was gloomy, the young emperor of the Qing Dynasty breathed heavily out of his nose, and said angrily, "At the beginning I didn't let the fight, but you all wanted to follow Prince Rui to fight Nanming. Now the fight is a big defeat and a loss, and the elite is exhausted What do you mean by saying that you won’t fight and forcing me to abdicate?”
Dorgon's faction was the main combat faction within the Qing Dynasty, and Dorgon's faction was in command of the entire battle. Naturally, they should bear the responsibility for the failure, but at this time, as long as they have some political savvy, they should not talk about these anymore.
Moreover, Fulin's original plan was not clever, even extremely naive. Even if Dorgon handed over power earlier, Fulin might not be able to govern the country of the Qing Dynasty. Maybe the Ming army would come to the city earlier.
The people in the hall upstairs, they failed after all, they couldn't refute this point, they were poked in the pain, all of them had ugly faces and couldn't speak.
At this time, Fulin was still arguing about right and wrong, and his temperament was still immature. Nikan, the king of Jingjin, frowned, but Lou Qin blushed, and said angrily, "Your Majesty, what do you mean? Do you want us to Do you want to keep fighting?"
Seeing this, Fulin snorted coldly, "Fight? You have long been discouraged. Before the Ming Dynasty came to fight, let me abdicate, abandon Beijing and retreat outside the customs, can I still count on you?"
Fulin has not been able to hold power for a long time, and was suppressed by Dorgon. Now that Dorgon died, he became a little bit unreasonable.
This time Louqin and the others lost the battle, in short everything he said was wrong, he got angry and couldn't help saying: "Then what does the emperor mean, you can't fight, you can't retreat, how does the emperor want to deal with Nanming's army?"
Nikan saw that Shunzhi and Louqin were fighting each other like this, and he knew that the two could not coexist. After all, Shunzhi had no experience, so if the emperor himself came to fight against his courtiers, wouldn't this be a fool?This made him feel uneasy about the future of the Qing Dynasty.
Nikan also didn't quite agree with Lou Qin's suggestion. He had fought against the Ming army in North Korea, and the fighting power of the Ming army was not much stronger than that of the Qing army.
He felt that even if the Qing Dynasty wanted to retreat to the outside of the customs, even if it admitted defeat and asked for peace, there was no need to lie on the ground before the Ming army like Xiang Louqin came.
Nikan saw that the smell of gunpowder between the monarch and his ministers was getting stronger and stronger, he frowned, and came out to ease the atmosphere and said: "Your Majesty, solving the current crisis of the Qing Dynasty is the most important thing! The Emperor should express his thoughts and tell the ministers to wait!"
Lou Qin and others participated in the Great War in the Central Plains, so they knew that, just like what Dorgon Ning said when he died, they could only continue to surrender to the Ming Dynasty, pay tribute every year, and ask for the forgiveness of the Ming Dynasty, in order to fight for the Manchus. a way out.
Whether they can live is not determined by the Manchus, but by the Ming Dynasty. All they can do is to please the Ming Dynasty, and there are no conditions to talk about.
Nikan and Shunzhi have similar ideas. Although they admit defeat, they don't feel that there is no condition to talk about.
After listening to Nikan's words, Shunzhi's expression softened a little, and he didn't continue to target Lou Qin. He was silent for a while and said: "Emperor Taizu and Emperor Taizong can deal with Ming by relying on the outside of the pass. Negotiate terms with the Ming Dynasty."
In Fulin's view, there is still the Jin Kingdom in the west that can be united. Although the Mongolian tribes intend to separate from the Qing, he is the nephew of Eastern Mongolia. The Mongolian tribes in Monan, Moxi, and Mobei can separate from the Qing, but the Eastern However, the Mongolian tribes have already been integrated with the Qing Dynasty. It does not mean that they can separate if they want to.
Fulin sat upright and preached the business. He didn't dare to neglect it. After all, it was a matter of the survival of the Qing Dynasty. "I think that the emperor can go, and Beijing can let him go, but he can't just give up without negotiating conditions with Nanming. If The Ming Dynasty has benefited, but does not negotiate with us. Wouldn't it be a waste of bargaining chips? I think that because we should send cadres to the south as soon as possible, we will reach a peace agreement with the Ming Dynasty on the condition of Beijing City and going to the emperor's title. The Qing Dynasty can gain a foothold outside the customs!"
Both Shunzhi and Louqin admitted failure, and they were both ready to retreat outside the customs and lose the title of emperor, but how to retreat outside the customs and how to lose the title of emperor was the key to the conflict between the two.
One of them understands that the Manchus are no longer qualified to negotiate terms, and the other thinks that they still have chips in their hands and can negotiate with the Ming Dynasty.
After the death of Dorgon and Duoduo, Lou Qin became the backbone of Dorgon's faction, but he, the backbone, has not yet unified the hearts of Dorgon's faction, and has not completely taken over the power in Dorgon's hands. After all, he is just a county king, and his prestige is not enough.
They were able to reach a consensus on fighting for the treatment of Dorgon and Duoduo, because it was in their interests, but they did not reach a unified opinion on how to deal with the crisis of how to put an end to the Qing Dynasty.
After all, they were all main fighters, and they haven't turned the corner yet.
Many people in the hall listened to Shunzhi's words, most of them did not participate in the Central Plains War, and did not understand the feelings of Lou Qin and others.
Lou Qin asked Shunzhi to take the initiative to go to the imperial title immediately, and then give up Beijing and withdraw from the customs. Shunzhi thought that he should take the imperial title and abandon Beijing as conditions to negotiate with the Ming Dynasty.
Comparing the people, with the characteristics of the Manchus, they are still more inclined to Shunzhi, and feel that Beijing and the title of emperor should be discussed with the Ming Dynasty.
Nikan pondered for a while, then nodded and cupped his hands and said: "I agree with the emperor's intention, we can talk to Nanming, if we can't talk, we can withdraw later!"
The county king Yue Le, who stayed in Beijing, also came out in favor, which attracted a group of people to support Shunzhi.
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(End of this chapter)
Since the defeat of the Central Plains, Lou Qin ordered the entire city to be under martial law. Even in the daytime, no one could be seen on the streets in the entire city, just like a ghost town.
At this time, in the Qing palace, although many people gathered in the hall, it was still as dead and silent as in the city.
Now Fulin, who is nominally in charge of the government, sits on the big treasure, with no trace of joy on his face, but his face sinks like water.
Because just now Louqin put forward a proposal that he could not accept, let him go to the throne, ask the Ming Dynasty for peace, and give up Beijing and withdraw from the customs.
He has been the emperor for 11 years. He didn't understand anything in the past few years, but in recent years he has become sensible but can't make decisions.
He wants to take power, but power has been held by Dorgon.
Now that Dorgon is dead, Duoduo is also dead. He finally had the opportunity to get in touch with the highest power in the Qing Dynasty, but the power of Dorgon's remnant party is still strong, and he still has to make trouble with him.
When Lou Qin gave him such a memorial, Fulin felt like a million words in his heart.
Fulin also thought that the Qing had lost, but he didn't think it was time to beg for mercy.
Although Dorgun is dead, there are still many Dorgon's people in the court. Louqin is the son of Azige, and many of them stand behind Louqin.
Although his authority is not as powerful as that of Dorgon, he is relatively powerful in the Manchu Qing court.
A few days ago, he proposed to posthumously seal Dorgon and bury Duoduo generously. Although Fulin thought in his heart that the three brothers Dorgon, Duoduo, and Azige, especially Dorgon, were sinners of the Qing Dynasty through the ages, he thought To liquidate Dorgon, but under the pressure of Lou Qin, he finally agreed to let the Ministry of Rites handle the matter solemnly.
At this time, Lou Qin stood in the center of the hall and said to everyone: "According to the military reports from various places, Ming general Dai Zhifan led an army of 20 troops and has entered the Daming Mansion. After King Jingjin withdrew his troops from Xuanda, the rebel general Jiang Youguang is already preparing to enter the army. Juyongguan, and the Ming general Li Dingguo and the rebel Jiang Xiang joined forces in Taiyuan, and they will soon leave the well and enter Beizhi. These Ming armies may have more than [-] troops..."
In the main hall, many Manchu nobles exclaimed, all panicked, not knowing what to do.
Lou Qin sighed and said, "Everyone knows that there are less than 2 bannermen in the capital now, and we can't stay in Beijing any longer." He glanced at everyone, and said solemnly, "When the regent passed away, there was an explanation. Let's go to the emperor, admit defeat to Nanming, and then give up the capital, in exchange for us Manchus to thrive between the white mountains and the black waters."
Those who experienced the Great War in the Central Plains can now be said to be on the side of Lou Qin. After they were severely beaten by the Ming Dynasty, they already understood the huge gap between the Qing Dynasty and the Ming Dynasty, and knew that the battle could no longer be fought. up.
Luo Keduo also stood in the center of the hall after his brother-in-law finished speaking, and said in a painful voice: "Your Majesty, don't hesitate any longer, it's too late, let the Ming army surround Beijing, then we won't be able to leave."
Fulin's face was gloomy, the young emperor of the Qing Dynasty breathed heavily out of his nose, and said angrily, "At the beginning I didn't let the fight, but you all wanted to follow Prince Rui to fight Nanming. Now the fight is a big defeat and a loss, and the elite is exhausted What do you mean by saying that you won’t fight and forcing me to abdicate?”
Dorgon's faction was the main combat faction within the Qing Dynasty, and Dorgon's faction was in command of the entire battle. Naturally, they should bear the responsibility for the failure, but at this time, as long as they have some political savvy, they should not talk about these anymore.
Moreover, Fulin's original plan was not clever, even extremely naive. Even if Dorgon handed over power earlier, Fulin might not be able to govern the country of the Qing Dynasty. Maybe the Ming army would come to the city earlier.
The people in the hall upstairs, they failed after all, they couldn't refute this point, they were poked in the pain, all of them had ugly faces and couldn't speak.
At this time, Fulin was still arguing about right and wrong, and his temperament was still immature. Nikan, the king of Jingjin, frowned, but Lou Qin blushed, and said angrily, "Your Majesty, what do you mean? Do you want us to Do you want to keep fighting?"
Seeing this, Fulin snorted coldly, "Fight? You have long been discouraged. Before the Ming Dynasty came to fight, let me abdicate, abandon Beijing and retreat outside the customs, can I still count on you?"
Fulin has not been able to hold power for a long time, and was suppressed by Dorgon. Now that Dorgon died, he became a little bit unreasonable.
This time Louqin and the others lost the battle, in short everything he said was wrong, he got angry and couldn't help saying: "Then what does the emperor mean, you can't fight, you can't retreat, how does the emperor want to deal with Nanming's army?"
Nikan saw that Shunzhi and Louqin were fighting each other like this, and he knew that the two could not coexist. After all, Shunzhi had no experience, so if the emperor himself came to fight against his courtiers, wouldn't this be a fool?This made him feel uneasy about the future of the Qing Dynasty.
Nikan also didn't quite agree with Lou Qin's suggestion. He had fought against the Ming army in North Korea, and the fighting power of the Ming army was not much stronger than that of the Qing army.
He felt that even if the Qing Dynasty wanted to retreat to the outside of the customs, even if it admitted defeat and asked for peace, there was no need to lie on the ground before the Ming army like Xiang Louqin came.
Nikan saw that the smell of gunpowder between the monarch and his ministers was getting stronger and stronger, he frowned, and came out to ease the atmosphere and said: "Your Majesty, solving the current crisis of the Qing Dynasty is the most important thing! The Emperor should express his thoughts and tell the ministers to wait!"
Lou Qin and others participated in the Great War in the Central Plains, so they knew that, just like what Dorgon Ning said when he died, they could only continue to surrender to the Ming Dynasty, pay tribute every year, and ask for the forgiveness of the Ming Dynasty, in order to fight for the Manchus. a way out.
Whether they can live is not determined by the Manchus, but by the Ming Dynasty. All they can do is to please the Ming Dynasty, and there are no conditions to talk about.
Nikan and Shunzhi have similar ideas. Although they admit defeat, they don't feel that there is no condition to talk about.
After listening to Nikan's words, Shunzhi's expression softened a little, and he didn't continue to target Lou Qin. He was silent for a while and said: "Emperor Taizu and Emperor Taizong can deal with Ming by relying on the outside of the pass. Negotiate terms with the Ming Dynasty."
In Fulin's view, there is still the Jin Kingdom in the west that can be united. Although the Mongolian tribes intend to separate from the Qing, he is the nephew of Eastern Mongolia. The Mongolian tribes in Monan, Moxi, and Mobei can separate from the Qing, but the Eastern However, the Mongolian tribes have already been integrated with the Qing Dynasty. It does not mean that they can separate if they want to.
Fulin sat upright and preached the business. He didn't dare to neglect it. After all, it was a matter of the survival of the Qing Dynasty. "I think that the emperor can go, and Beijing can let him go, but he can't just give up without negotiating conditions with Nanming. If The Ming Dynasty has benefited, but does not negotiate with us. Wouldn't it be a waste of bargaining chips? I think that because we should send cadres to the south as soon as possible, we will reach a peace agreement with the Ming Dynasty on the condition of Beijing City and going to the emperor's title. The Qing Dynasty can gain a foothold outside the customs!"
Both Shunzhi and Louqin admitted failure, and they were both ready to retreat outside the customs and lose the title of emperor, but how to retreat outside the customs and how to lose the title of emperor was the key to the conflict between the two.
One of them understands that the Manchus are no longer qualified to negotiate terms, and the other thinks that they still have chips in their hands and can negotiate with the Ming Dynasty.
After the death of Dorgon and Duoduo, Lou Qin became the backbone of Dorgon's faction, but he, the backbone, has not yet unified the hearts of Dorgon's faction, and has not completely taken over the power in Dorgon's hands. After all, he is just a county king, and his prestige is not enough.
They were able to reach a consensus on fighting for the treatment of Dorgon and Duoduo, because it was in their interests, but they did not reach a unified opinion on how to deal with the crisis of how to put an end to the Qing Dynasty.
After all, they were all main fighters, and they haven't turned the corner yet.
Many people in the hall listened to Shunzhi's words, most of them did not participate in the Central Plains War, and did not understand the feelings of Lou Qin and others.
Lou Qin asked Shunzhi to take the initiative to go to the imperial title immediately, and then give up Beijing and withdraw from the customs. Shunzhi thought that he should take the imperial title and abandon Beijing as conditions to negotiate with the Ming Dynasty.
Comparing the people, with the characteristics of the Manchus, they are still more inclined to Shunzhi, and feel that Beijing and the title of emperor should be discussed with the Ming Dynasty.
Nikan pondered for a while, then nodded and cupped his hands and said: "I agree with the emperor's intention, we can talk to Nanming, if we can't talk, we can withdraw later!"
The county king Yue Le, who stayed in Beijing, also came out in favor, which attracted a group of people to support Shunzhi.
Thank you for the 1000 that every day is the last day, the 1000 for the pride and disaster, and the 399 reward for *Pineapple Fubuki, thank you for your support, ask for monthly tickets, recommendations, and subscriptions.
(End of this chapter)
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