warring states careerist

Chapter 436
Since he said that he wanted to meet his old friends, he told the person that Suo Lucan and others were familiar with the old ink masters from the time of King Wei Lie, so he asked, "Then you want to see Solucan?"

The short man nodded and said: "I want to see him. I am from Lu, and I knew him when I was in the country of Lu in the early years. Studying."

These are old things. The partners who used to study together chose two completely different paths under the city of Shangqiu 20 years ago, and now they are drifting away, leaving only those memories of studying at the beginning.

When the man heard about it, he said, "Well, then I can tell you when I get back."

He also knows that if people want to talk about some things, they will tell him. If they don't want to talk about it, it's useless to ask.

Although there are many rules in the Mo family, they are not so many that even old friends in personal status cannot talk to each other.

But there's not much to talk about.

Most of his relatives have died, so he followed the son for many years. When he followed Suo Lucan to the west, all the immediate family members in the family were dead, and there was nothing to worry about.

I have nothing to ask about my own affairs, so I inevitably talked about some grand things, telling the man that he said with some pride: "The two gentlemen came to Handan today, what they saw and heard, isn't it as far as the eye can see? Wealth? Although I have never been to Sishang, but if I want to come to Sishang Fenghua, it is far better than this."

The tall man laughed and said: "In my eyes, everyone in Handan is looking for profit, and only money is in their eyes. What is discussed in the wine shop is the words of brokers, and what is discussed after drinking is the price of gold, silver, pearls and jade. Everyone seeks profit. Never saw justice.”

"Farming is not as good as industry, industry is not as good as business, and embroidery is not as good as relying on the gate of the market. Women seek profit, but embroidery is not as good as leaning on the door to sell their smiles. The world is like this, laughing at the poor but not laughing at the store, this elegance... I am afraid Is it very different from the righteousness of Mozi back then?"

When the man heard this, he didn't care about calling the two of them sir more than ten years ago. He couldn't help retorting with some words he learned on the way: "Righteousness and profit. Mohists want to benefit the world, so There must be righteousness in the heart, but it is not necessary for everyone in the world to have righteousness in their hearts. Mohists are pioneers and four horses, and they cannot be the same as the people."

"Besides, Zi Mozi also said that righteousness is the position and benefit. Shizi also said that if it is administration, the good ones benefit the way, the second is teaching, the second is ordering, and the bottom is fighting with it."

"Everyone benefits, it benefits the world. Besides, Handan has been measured by the three measures of Mohism in the past few years. If the people are rich and the goods have increased, if Zi Mozi can see it, he must also call it good. How can it be the righteousness of Mozi?" How far is it?"

"Everyone seeks profit, as long as it doesn't harm the interests of others, what's wrong with it? Could it be that the two gentlemen learned Confucianism after rebelling against Mohism, thinking that people's hearts are not ancient, the world is declining, and rituals and music are ruined?"

When it comes to some beliefs, the rhetoric becomes fierce, and every refutation is the understanding and achievement after several years of study.

The tall man's face remained unchanged, but he was secretly surprised, and said in his heart: "This man never left an impression on me back then, so it can be seen that he was no more than a middle-aged person back then. Now I can't refute my remarks. After the great gathering in Shangqiu, this person reorganized the system, was in charge of proclaiming righteousness, and made everyone aware of righteousness, and his means were extraordinary."

"In terms of talent, the person in front of me is not as many as I am. However, he has learned and heard in the Mohist organization for only ten years, and he can be so... really scary."

Thinking of this, the tall man didn't refute directly, but asked with sophistry: "Since it is right to seek profit, what is the difference?"

"Ordinary people, such as farmers, workers, merchants, and Jia, have 100 renminbi and can earn 20 renminbi in interest every year. Those with [-] million renminbi can earn [-] renminbi in interest every year. This is profit-seeking."

"Fifty horses are grazed on land, 250 to 250 cattle are raised, 20 sheep are raised, [-] pigs are raised in the grassland, there is a fish pond with an annual output of [-] shi in the water, and [-] mature trees are in the mountains. There are thousands of jujube trees in Anyi; thousands of chestnut trees in Yan and Qin; thousand orange trees in Chu; thousand acres of mulberry in Qi and Lu; thousand acres of bamboo in Qinchuan; Acres of fertile land, or thousands of acres of gardenias, madder, thousands of borders of ginger, leeks... people like this, after profit-seeking, can earn [-] yuan a year."

"However, if there are 20 households in the fief, each household in the fief pays [-] yuan in rent and tax every year, and the annual income is [-] yuan."

"It's also chasing 20 yuan, are we wrong? Those people can do it? Since we are talking about profit-seeking, what's the difference?"

After the tall man finished speaking, he didn't want the man who told the story just now to laugh, because he had just learned this aspect just a few months ago, so he hurriedly said: "There is a difference here."

"The Mohists say that wealth comes from hard work and can be increased, so it can be inferred from this that the Shiqing nobles who own fiefdoms are all moths. This is not insulting, but it is inferred by the technique of reasoning."

"Look, the people who own the fief didn't do anything. They just sat there and got the income of the fief every year."

"As for a person who has thousands of acres of gardenia, madder, ginger, etc., he needs to invest capital, hire labor, and run his own business. It is different from those silverfish who own fiefs and do nothing."

"The operation and existence of these people has indeed increased the sum of wealth in the world."

"And those who own fiefdoms did not increase the total wealth of the world. This is the difference. This is also a criterion for judging whether it is beneficial to the world."

He has only learned these budding doctrines of the bourgeoisie, or the most provocative doctrines that destroy the rational foundation of the aristocratic fiefdoms, and it is enough to tell the difference between those things that the tall man said.

However, these alone are enough to make these two people who can be called gentlemen more than ten years ago speechless. This fallacious theory is enough to destroy the rationality of noble fiefdoms at the root, and can justifiably accuse those fiefdom nobles of being Silverfish in the "doctrinal sense".

Now that the words have come to this point, speculation is no longer there, and the wine has no taste.

The tall man could only snort after feeling bitter: "Get rich through hard work, it sounds nice. I don't believe that those people in this world who earn 20 a year all get their wealth through hard work? How did they get rich before?" If you get it, I'm afraid that if you want to get to the bottom of it, it might be a silverfish, right?"

"Forget it, Zhong Ni once said that if the way doesn't understand, we can't conspire with each other. You and I are old friends, but we will meet again in ten years, the way is different, and this meal of wine does not have the joy of meeting old friends."

This involved a dispute of ideas, and the man was not to be outdone, and said solemnly: "If this is the case, I think the two of you will go to see Suo Lucan, and the way is different."

The tall man laughed loudly and said, "I didn't meet Solucan to discuss the Tao. I have other things. Anyway, I don't think you and I are interested in drinking today's wine. You go back and tell Solucan, just say The two of us invited him to meet. After all, the young master sent ten people to follow him to the west, but they couldn't all become Mohists and join the Mohist family, I would always bring back those who were not Mohist."

The man stood up and said, "Since that's the case, I'll go back and make an announcement."

After finishing speaking and leaving, the tall and short two looked at the person who left for a long time, and looked at each other. The short man couldn't help but said: "Now that the righteousness of the Mohists has been fulfilled, it is impossible to refute it with the art of explaining knowledge. Such a truth, It will soon spread throughout the world. This is a suitable idea, and this is indeed a person who is causing trouble to the world."

The tall man thought for a while, then shook his head and said, "I can't refute it. I haven't been in the Mohist school for many years, and we have forgotten the Mohist debate."

"Thinking about it now, this is actually a trap. If you agree with him that the increase in national wealth comes from labor, then this is the same reasoning."

"But if it can be refuted from the root cause that the increase in wealth comes from labor, then their conclusion is wrong."

"He said that the increase of wealth comes from labor, and I also said that the increase of wealth comes from the land. It's just... It's difficult to refute this point systematically."

The short man waved his hand and said, "Come on, you and I don't have the ability to argue with the old Mohists. The debate is still there, and you are now in your prime. Who in the world can argue with him?"

"In my opinion, Sheng Chuo's idea is correct. It is strictly forbidden to spread the theories of various schools in the Qin land and block the eyes and ears of the people. Using officials as teachers only takes the first half of the sentence of Zi Mozi Shangtong-only breaks the chapter. Everything is true; what is wrong must be wrong; let’s not talk about the later sayings of gathering righteousness, weighing heaven’s will, and judging right and wrong according to rules.”

"In my opinion, Handan is rich, but in a rich place, the people have more ideas, it is not easy to die, and it is easy to be deceived by the theory of Mohism. Therefore, Qin cannot be like this anyway, otherwise Qin is bitter and cold. The method must not compete with the country of the Central Plains in the east of the river."

The tall man waved his hand and said: "These things are not for reasoning. You and I rebelled against Mohist, so it is impossible to agree with the idea of ​​benefiting the world. According to the morality of the Mohist school, this world belongs to the people of the world, and it is beneficial to the world." Talent is considered beneficial to the world, and it is wrong for us to do so.”

"If you look at the country, the country is like one person, and our reforms in Qin are right. In the end, it is the purpose. What you and I pursue are fame, land and wealth, and what they pursue is to benefit the world. This is the standard for judging right and wrong. Different, nothing to talk to them about."

"As long as we do what we have to do well. If such a dispute arises, it is best to avoid it and not argue that what we are doing is right. Only talk about their own interests, not right or wrong. Only in this way can it be possible to reconcile Let the Mo family talk, otherwise we will return without success."

"Suo Lucan was originally a good debater, although he was not suitable, but now the morality of the Mohist school has been established, and the circle has been drawn, it is meaningless to argue, and it is easy to anger the other party...Don't talk about it."

Naturally, the two of them had other purposes for coming here, and of course it wasn't as simple as Suolucan coming back from the Far West to meet old friends.

The short man laughed and said, "You're right, but why did you argue with that man before?"

The tall man sighed and said: "I thought I could win the debate. I didn't want the Mohist organization to be too scary. The theory is self-contained and synonymous. This ordinary person who I didn't remember back then can also compete I argue that I can't win... This is something I didn't expect, and this is also the scary thing about the Mohist."

"They want everyone to become a scholar. Ten thousand Mohists are ten thousand scholars. Even if all countries in the world are as strong as Wei, how can there be ten thousand scholars?"

"The scary thing about them is that some people who were not as good as you and me can now argue with you and me. What they see, hear, talk and discuss is all a collection of righteousness. Behind everyone, there are thousands of people People, the princes of the countries in the Central Plains, have no idea what this means."

The short man thought for a while, nodded and said, "That's right. It's really scary. Hey, speaking of it, do you regret what happened in Shangqiu 20 years ago?"

The tall man laughed loudly and said, "If you seek the truth of Tianzhi, you should regret it. But are you and I pursuing the truth of Tianzhi?"

(End of this chapter)