Great Han Empire

Chapter 364 Book Friends Chatting: Literati and Warriors
Let’s also talk about literati and warriors.

Where is the money, my brother said that warriors are tools of literati...

That is based on the fact that the ruler is a literati.

For now, the ruler is the Son of Heaven.

Both literati and warriors are tools of the emperor.

tools for domination.

Of course, literati and warriors each have their own interests, and each has its own group.

The game of different interests among literati, warriors, and emperors is the cause of internal political struggles.

A clever emperor will grasp the different interests between literati and warriors, so as to use and control each other.In his eyes, warriors and literati are equally important and have equal status.

If the warriors are placed under the literati, or the literati are placed under the warriors, it is a sign that the emperor has lost control of the government...

Under such circumstances, the Son of Heaven is just a tool in the hands of literati or warriors... When the conditions are ripe, the Son of Heaven will be replaced by them.Such historical events emerge in endlessly.

Let’s take the United States as an example, as Brother Qianlai said.

The military obeys the president legally.directly under the Ministry of Defense.Action requirements related to soldiers or instructions on military strategies and tactics.Requests are made through the President or the Department of Defense.Let the army's general staff deploy it.

Note that there is a procedural problem here.Not everyone can directly make changes or adjustments.The only institutions with power are the President and the Ministry of Defense...

In ancient times, the representation was that the Son of Heaven, the Great Sima, the Great General, and the Taiwei had the power to make these adjustments.

When the Son of Heaven was young.The eldest princess acted arbitrarily without listening to the opinions of Da Sima, the general, and the Taiwei, which was beyond her authority.She is an assistant to the government and a courtier, not the emperor.

The emperor has the right to act arbitrarily, but the eldest princess, as a minister who assists the government, does not have this power.

Moreover, she was targeting the former Great General Sima, who would do whatever he wanted with a single word from her...

If you have a reason, it's okay to talk about it.But what she wants to do is to reduce warriors to tools of literati.

Note that it is not a tool of the emperor.And this approach directly shattered the dream of the country that the northern border warriors of the Han Dynasty were determined to fight for.

It turns out that in the end, what they fought for was some self-righteous literati who made the country fall into ruin at that time...

At this time, since the warriors have been fighting for the country for so many years, at the moment when they are about to succeed, they are facing a decisive moment of success or failure...

They will definitely make a bold move.In the name of the Son of Heaven, tell the whole world: They are the core force to restore the country, the major force for the emperor to rebuild the country in the future, and the real power to protect the well-being of the country.

Warriors can only be tools of the emperor.Rather than a tool in the hands of literati.

The different interest groups of literati and warriors have decided that they restrict each other, thus forming a check and balance with the emperor...

Rather than saying that warriors became tools of literati to check and balance the emperor, or that literati were tools in the hands of warriors to check and balance the emperor...

Although it seems to be just a matter of order, it is indeed a matter of life and death...

It was the literati who messed up the government and the army first, and the warriors restored the political and military affairs under the command of the little emperor.

not ever
Especially in that era when the power of aristocratic families was rampant.

If warriors become tools in the hands of literati.

Then the emperor is not far from stepping down.

You can look at Wang Mang on behalf of Han, Sima on behalf of Wei...

Therefore, from my personal point of view, it is wrong for Brother Qian Zai to say that "warriors are tools in the hands of literati".

is one-sided.

Let's talk about it again, the leopard that the book friends said is not the emperor, so it can only be said to be dead.

My personal opinion is as follows:

It's not a question of whether he will die or not.

It's a question of whether he can die in the next few years.

He died at this critical moment...

Then the real big man is over...

The old yellow turban flag will be raised again...

The heroes of the prairie will also gather again and go south...

The army's morale is slackened, and it will no longer have combat power...

After the Yellow Turban is properly matured, although it will not be defeated quickly, it will still be in trouble for the time being...

Then the big man will really fall into the land of no return...

Leopard's influence can only be handed over to the emperor step by step (if he does not proclaim himself emperor)...

Let all forces have a period of preparation and adaptation.

When this period has passed, he will not affect the overall situation if he is alive, but he will still be in trouble if he dies...

Therefore, leopards will not be able to die in the next few years. If they die, the world will be in chaos.

To put it bluntly, what warriors must obey is the person they legally must obey.

Rather than those who work for someone or some group in the court...

Besides, in times of war.

The country entered a state of emergency.

They are the literati who have to do various assistance work for the warriors.

The more serious situation is like the military control of the former Soviet Union during World War II...

Everything serves the military...

Of course, there have been so many stupid emperors in history who lost their arms and died.There are also many stupid generals who surrendered their status, and thus also killed themselves.

Are warriors a whole?

There are also laughter groups within the warriors.

Besides, warriors really don't understand anything as you think?That's really a joke.

Many people who were born as generals are not necessarily less capable of governing the country than many so-called literati...

The reason for restricting military participation in politics to a certain extent is because of their relatively strong strength...

But the warriors in the period of war are the heroes of the court.You must have the treatment of a hero, otherwise, you can't blame others for turning against you.

In most cases, among the warriors, there are people from literati, some from powerful families, and there are all kinds of people.

Why can't the so-called literati and military people participate in politics together?

Political affairs contain too much content.There's also too much military stuff involved.Military affairs involve civil affairs...

Such as military settlements, it is military and more civil...

Especially in this book, the rejuvenation of Dahan Sheji was based on the ideas of the warriors in the early stage.

But now, the practices of some powerful families have seriously affected the revival of the Han Dynasty.

Warriors, their own children, definitely have the right to protect themselves.

Warriors must participate in politics.This is beyond doubt.

The questions that need to be explored are actually:
First, in which fields do generals have the right to participate, and in which places, generals can even have decision-making power?
Second, in which fields the generals have the right to discuss politics.

Third, in which fields the generals have no right to participate...

this is the key of the problem……

the same way.Non-general officials in the imperial court also have the following issues to discuss:

First, in what areas do they have the right to participate, and in which areas do they have the right to make decisions?
Second, in which fields they have the right to discuss politics.

Third, which fields they have no right to participate in...

I think I have made it clear what I personally think is the relationship between the so-called literati and warriors in court, so I will continue to talk about my own views on this and this book...

The current incident happened because there was no such a suitable superior.Originally, there was no superior person, everyone (the great general Sima, the eldest princess, the prime minister and the other three princes) discussed and decided to do it, and they could barely pass...

But now someone is taking the initiative to pick things up, so it is reasonable for those who have been hurt not to cooperate.

Besides, they have good reasons for not cooperating, what about the order of the emperor...

What is the reason why the army only listens to leopards?
It's very simple.One led them to continuous victories.

But the eldest princess and Prime Minister Cai were thinking about how to deprive the officers of their rights.Let your own people be officers and take the army into your own hands...

And why?It was to compromise with rebellion...

Then such a princess and Prime Minister Cai are of course unbelievable.

As for the Son of Heaven, please don't confuse the Son of Heaven with the Eldest Princess...

Son of Heaven, he only needs Li Hong to listen to him.As for the others, in the future, it depends on how he grasps them step by step.

If someone like the eldest princess makes others lose confidence in you step by step, then you can only blame yourself.

As far as the current situation is concerned.It's because the eldest princess and Prime Minister Cai are too wishful thinking.In the current situation, whether they trust or not, the situation in the army is the same.

Rather than using conspiracy to deprive them step by step, it is better to seriously cooperate with the implementation of the great cause of ZTE, and wait for the leopards to hand over them step by step, and let the little emperor slowly receive these military powers step by step through the leopards. ...

Constant suspicion will only lead to the widening of the rift and the disintegration of everyone.

If such conspiracies and schemes happen more frequently and become more serious, everyone will feel that their lives are being trampled upon.

Then when the time comes, he will really be involuntarily pushed onto a path of rupture...

As far as the surname Cai is concerned, his ideal is good.

But as far as his actual actions are concerned, he can only be a wishful and self-righteous nerd.

His sense of superiority towards scholars and his disdain for warriors...

Doomed, such a person is actually a poison.Wherever you put it, it's poison.

Ideas are harmful.

Where is the money book friends responded:

Luo, when you think about things, you have to think deeply, don't read literal articles.

Leopard is an invincible general, but can he dictate the court's orders just because he won the battle?Then the generals under him will follow suit. This is called the upper beam is not straight, and the lower beam is crooked.

In this case, the prestige of the court will be gone, and the cohesion of the big man will be gone. Who would believe such an insecure court? General's.

And the eldest princess you mentioned.Before the little emperor officially ascended the throne, the eldest princess was jointly elected by literati and warriors to be regent, which has legal effect.The eldest princess is the representative of the emperor. If you don't listen to the eldest princess now, when the wings of these warriors become stronger in the future, will they still listen to the emperor?

"You said that the emperor only needs Li Hong to listen to him."Luo, I really didn't expect such a naive sentence to come out of your mouth.

ZTE? What is "ZTE"?Stability and prosperity, no wars, no need for ordinary people to leave their homes, and steady social development, this is probably the great cause of ZTE.Then these are based on a strong government.

Now that the government decree cannot be issued, the "great cause of rejuvenation" is a joke.

Roland_Death Knight's answer:
Leopard is an invincible general, but can he dictate the court's orders just because he won the battle?Then the generals under him will follow suit. This is called the upper beam is not straight, and the lower beam is crooked.

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Please note here: ZTE's policy has always been proposed by him and implemented by others! !So from the beginning, he was not just a general, but a decision maker.He is Great General Sima, the position of Huo Guang.Just think about it.

Princess Regent?This statement is wrong.The eldest princess is only a tentative representative of the imperial power.To put it bluntly, she did not formulate the ZTE strategy, nor did she implement it...

"You said that the emperor only needs Li Hong to listen to him."Luo, I really didn't expect such a naive sentence to come out of your mouth.

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This is not childish.This is the wisdom behind seeing the truth of things.

Because if you don't believe it, you have to believe it.

This will not become a fact, then the emperor will definitely be abolished sooner or later.If you don't admit it and act recklessly, you will only seek your own death.

Believe it, at least there is still a chance.

ZTE? What is "ZTE"?Stability and prosperity, no wars, no need for ordinary people to leave their homes, and steady social development, this is probably the great cause of ZTE.Then these are based on a strong government.

Now that the government decree cannot be issued, the "great cause of rejuvenation" is a joke.

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The imperial decree?
Is the word the eldest princess said a decree?
A sentence that Prime Minister Cai said is a decree?
Logically speaking, and according to institutional conventions, the ruler of this court is General Da Sima (Huo Guang of the former dynasty).

Instead of the eldest princess and Prime Minister Cai.

Therefore, their orders do not represent the government's decrees.

And, to put it bluntly.

The reason for the military disturbance this time is because the eldest princess and Prime Minister Cai asked the generals not to intervene in politics...

And the idiot decision of the eldest princess and Prime Minister Cai made all the forces extremely dissatisfied

Even if there is no Zhang Yan, someone else will come out.

It's just that Zhang Yan and the others are the simplest and least powerful.Like the leopards, who were doomed by their idiotic decisions...

So to put it bluntly, this incident could have been avoided.

It's just that the military commander's right to participate in and discuss state affairs was unreasonably deprived, which caused a lack of checks and balances, resulting in idiot government orders...

To put it bluntly, it is still because of the lack of military generals to participate in and check and balance in the court

The resolutions issued by the Sangong are the government orders.

When the Great General Sima was appointed, according to the previous dynasty, before the emperor came of age, only the decrees issued by the Great General Sima were considered...

Military participation in state affairs is necessary and affirmative.

Even if they are just standing still and not expressing their views.

Because of this, even if there is any decision that is not good for the army, or the army has an accident, they will still bear it.

You must know that an accident in the army is no joke.That is really "once the precious sword is drawn, it will not be returned if it does not see blood".

Of course, certain powers of warriors in the court do need to be restricted, but this restriction, how to restrict it, is a very profound knowledge.

It will vary from person to person and from time to time...

How about reading the reader's response:
I am very interested in the words of the knight:

"It's not naivety. It's the intelligence behind seeing the truth of things."

To put it another way, you have been brainwashed too much by Mengzi’s wonderful writing style. You just saw the essence behind the “event” at a certain stage wisely, but ignored the fundamentals of “class struggle” and “historical materialism”— "Periodical policy adjustments brought about by the periodic changes in contradictions", thus falling into the trap of "metaphysics".

Maybe it's because the Romance of the Three Kingdoms impressed everyone too much, and Mengzi's staged summary of the overall historical development is too little.I feel that everyone seems to have forgotten the stages of historical development. Everyone has formed a historical development model of "absolute checks and balances" or "absolute collapse" caused by "special events".Walked into a vicious circle of empiricism that "either the east wind overwhelms the west wind or the west wind overwhelms the east wind".

Don't you think the current plot is very familiar?The fruits of victory of the Revolution of 90 were divided up by multiple forces successively. At that time, the warlords almost occupied more than [-]% of China's armed forces. The national interests were divided from the hypocritical parliament to the naked military division. But why did the regime succeed in the end? Woolen cloth?This only illustrates a conclusion: "Groups that can participate in the division of national interests are not fools, and at the end of a specific historical stage, only groups that can grasp the key trends of social stages are likely to succeed, and there can only be one strong The group can monopolize an absolute majority of rights."

Not surprisingly, until the end of "Big Han", the staged historical demand is still the success of the armed struggle against the national rebel groups, the initial completion of the unification of the territory and the realization of centralization, and at the same time the restoration of people's livelihood and the recovery of the economy.Under such objective historical needs, only the armed forces group can take on the main characters and accomplish this goal.It is impossible for the scholar group to succeed in this historical period. The scholar group is not a pig. There is always a wise group who knows how to wait for the peaches to ripen before picking them. Therefore, the martial arts group and its spokespersons are generally safe.Moreover, the external pressure faced by the current "mainstream regime" is at a very moderate moment, "not fatal, nor easy."Judging from the awareness and execution ability shown by the martial arts group now, if there is a need for struggle, it is easy to reach a behind-the-scenes deal with some mainstream scholar groups.

In the same way, warriors are not rough people. The current mainstream military forces of the Northern Xinjiang Group have basically been baptized by the "Yellow Turban Era", "Dong Zhuo Era" and "Jinyang Era". It can be seen that there is no longer a chance for scholars to monopolize power in the world. At least this generation of leopards has passed the test of blood and conspiracy, and the road to power has been established. I am very optimistic about this.

The interests of the scholars and the interests of the warriors are not as "clearly separated" as expressed in some plots, especially through the recent "mutiny", which will accelerate the mutual penetration and binding of the interest groups of the warriors and the scholars, instead of There will be so-called intensification of contradictions.

Even people at our level know what the Xiangyang Group's conspiracy refers to. Are the characters who carry the historical mission of the great era really so stupid?

The history of "Big Man" has quietly changed behind the dazzling plot. . .

Leopard is a fool?No, the change of dynasty requires the accumulation of revolutionary sentiment and overall contradictions in society to a certain extent, that is to say, the driving force of the whole society calling for change of dynasty must exceed a certain threshold. "It has not yet reached the level of "lose its deer, and the whole world will pursue it". Now the political righteousness of the world is to restore the imperial power of the Han Dynasty.Restoring imperial power needs to go through many stages, and now is the historical stage where "martial arts" will succeed, but there is no end. Therefore, it is wise and successful for warriors to seize this opportunity to enter the court.Don't confuse the concept of "military people entering politics" is not "military people governing". Those who have political literacy and can govern the country will gradually enter the decision-making level, and the price for obtaining this pass is to switch from directly managing the army to indirectly managing the army. Indirect management of the army turned to assist in the management of the army.The rest is for the children and grandchildren to worry about.

In fact, to put it bluntly, what is the goal of Leopard at this stage?
1. Ensure the complete victory of the counter-insurgency war, destroy the enemy's armed groups politically and physically, and ensure the stability of the emerging regime.

2. To ensure that the fruits of victory will not be usurped, that is, to maintain the political direction of the Jinyang Consensus from being maliciously damaged or tampered with by any group.

3. Ensure the overall security of the Wuren Group and ensure that the main body of the group can enjoy the results of bloody battles, and try to increase the difficulty for the ruling group of the Han regime to obliterate the Wuren Group in the future.

Therefore, it is the only way to push some powerful and capable warriors into the ruling group. At the same time, unite some scholars to maintain a relative balance, strengthen the implicit control over the emperor, and at the same time infiltrate the interests of the group with some scholars and the emperor.

Such an operation, judging from the comprehensive quality of the current martial arts group, has a great possibility of success.

In fact, in the historical period at that time, the demand for the "gentry" of the warriors was quite strong. In the current historical period of "The Great Han" and its follow-up for a long time, the safest and cheapest way to share power is Participate in it and actively promote the process of "warriorization".After all, there are only a small number of warriors who can enter the decision-making system. There are dozens of counties, and the warrior group can't find so many warriors to fill up the number.

A group of warriors were tribalized, some were retired and entered the political arena, some were retained by the backbone of the army, some were served as residences, and some were killed in foreign wars. This method is an effective way to vent the backlog of violent emotions after the violent revolution.

To sum up, Qian made the mistake of generalizing. The "Warrior Group" is not a single person. There are excellent and vulgar ones.What Leopard is doing now is the human resources work of "career planning", not the package assignment work of "La Lang Pei".Policies and processes can be kept quite flexible.When warriors entered the imperial court, they were no longer pure warriors. Governing work was not divided by "civilian workers" and "martial arts workers", but assigned according to the official positions required for the ruling work and the governance process derived from the official system.

At the same time, I think the knight is too bookish, and he always unconsciously uses modern historical views and values ​​to set the empty history of "The Great Han".In the game of "Big Han", no one can do without others, and the heinous capitulationism of some literati groups on the surface is actually just adding bargaining chips to the multi-party political game in the post-Luoyang era.

Seeing through a hole made Fang's family laugh. . .

Joetrige2 book friend's response:
The military is a special group. This group possesses violence and destructiveness that cannot be matched by other political forces. Therefore, once the main body of the military participates in politics, no matter what the high-level plans of these military forces are, it is impossible to abandon the powerful violent characteristics of the military. , on this point, you can look at the history of the development of the Roman Empire. Once violence is used in politics, there will only be blood. Once the army has ideas, it is a harbinger of national subjugation. Therefore, at any time, the army should be completely excluded from politics.

As I said before, the inevitable end of such a powerful military leader as Li was death or the reason for being an emperor.

Chinese soldiers must not understand politics, and the more officials there are, the more likely they must understand politics. If you want to ensure that the soldiers are true to themselves, they cannot fully participate in politics. Famous military generals in history died not on the battlefield but in politics everywhere.

The general has been completely caught up in political disputes. Once the political struggle of the general becomes weak, he will undoubtedly use the army in his hand to fight back. If there is a war, the country will have no peace.

In the last section, General Li tried to solve the political struggle through military violence. Fortunately, Fu Gan actively stopped it, otherwise, the general would be able to become the emperor himself.

The famous generals who founded the country in the past dynasties in Chinese history either retired or were slaughtered. The reason is the violence of the army itself. In ancient China, where the political structure was imperfect and there was no political and moral consensus, the army could only be completely controlled by the monarch. , in order to ensure the unity and life of the empire.

Yuan Kai's fallacy that warriors can't harm the country almost made me laugh out loud. No wonder the emperor entrusted the country to such a nerd! !
Now it is obvious that Luoyang has been captured and Guanzhong has been captured, and two-thirds of the world has already been unified. It should only be a matter of time before the country is unified. The most important thing at this time is to solve political problems. First, the national policy adopted after the unification. Second, After the unification, the territories of various factions in the new empire, third, who will be the emperor?

Historically, Cao Pi practiced the nine-rank Zhongzheng, reached a political compromise with the bureaucrats and nobles, Sima usurped the empire, and became emperor himself, and then he successfully unified the country.

The current struggles have shown a characteristic, that is, the great fear of the scholars and bureaucrats towards the warriors. This is very obvious. Even if the general wants to be the emperor himself, he may have to solve these military leaders. Therefore, the general The road ahead is very narrow, that is, how do warriors take off their shirts and go to politics?
Although the general took every opportunity to squeeze the warriors into the political arena, it is a pity that the true nature of the warriors will not change for a day, and all bureaucratic forces cannot and dare not accept the warriors to participate in politics, unless the emperor himself is a warrior with a huge army centripetal force!
Therefore, I think there is only one way to write fiercely in the end. All warriors completely give up all the rights of the army, and all go home to farm. Zhang Yan said well, this generation should be content with this level, and take another step , is not a question of whether you can stand, but a question of whether you can survive!

You can see that General Li may be very aggrieved. In fact, even Cao Cao was very aggrieved in history. Once these scholars and bureaucrats adopt a non-violent and non-cooperative attitude, any powerful person will be very aggrieved. It is still Li Wei's wife can understand that in that era, there were only so many scholars and so many officials, if you don't let them do it, no one will do it!As for disciples and children, the faction of the party and the dissidents was also a characteristic of that era, so the power of the bureaucratic gentry was unimaginable.Therefore, many kings in later generations opposed forming cliques, party struggles or so-called disciples.

The general still wants to be down. It is best to bypass the imperial power and try to make a unilateral peace with the gentry bureaucrats. In this way, as long as the little emperor takes power, he will not have any considerations and can kill these traditional gentry.

(End of this chapter)