Super Weapon Swap System
Chapter 2207
After dealing with the maritime affairs, he discussed with the Navy about the future construction. Qin Guan finally returned to the capital with satisfaction. The next day, he came to the aviation department and participated in a new meeting. The topic of this meeting made Qin Guan cry and laugh.
Discussion on the introduction of Su-27 fighters.
"In this confrontation exercise, we can see that the performance of Su-27 fighters is quite good." after Qin Guan entered the conference room, the discussion began.
"We know that the variable swept wing is the technology developed by the second generation aircraft, and the technology trend of the third generation aircraft is the integration of wing and body. The Su-27 fighter is quite perfect." Gu, President of 6601 Institute, talked there.
"In this way, we can make effective use of the vortex and play a good role." President Gu said: "the whole Su-27 fighter is a huge lifting body. Its body space is large and has strong refitting potential. Therefore, if we import this fighter, we can develop into a large family to meet the needs of space and navy."
Up to now, as the big brother of the aviation industry, 6601 and the supporting 1112 factory have a very embarrassing position. Looking at the little brothers, they have begun to engage in advanced projects. There are three generations of aircraft and four generations of aircraft. What about them? So far, they have reduced to a starting role.
Yes, under the guidance of general manager Qin, they gave them the vertical takeoff and landing fighter project. However, they knew that the market of this fighter was not large. Even if the research and development was successful, it was just dozens of aircraft, which already belonged to the non mainstream. If they wanted to develop and expand the market, they had to have a loud project! Their j-8-2 projects now have fewer and fewer orders. If they don't find a way, they will be hungry.
What can we do?
In those years, President Qin did not know through what channels, so he got them a fighter plane. The shape of the fighter plane was quite advanced. At that time, none of them knew it, but now they have understood that the plane is almost a replica of the Su-27 fighter plane. In those years, although they also wanted to copy the surveying and mapping, they just stopped at the surveying and mapping stage, They didn't have the corresponding technology and couldn't do it. As a result, 6611 took the lead and brought out the aircraft with duck wing layout. The decline of 6601 began at that time.
Where they fall, they have to get up. This is their theory. Now, they are going to reintroduce this kind of fighter!
After all, 6601, the big brother of the aviation industry, still has a say.
In particular, when they were engaged in vertical take-off and landing fighters recently, they also dealt with the Xiong people. Now the two sides are talking more and more speculation. For the Xiong people, nothing is impossible to sell. At the instigation of their new leader, they began to let the Han people know.
You can sell it to the Han people!
Of course, this has aroused the dissatisfaction of their homeland defense air force. This kind of fighter should be used for its own use. How can it be exported? However, their dissatisfaction is useless. They need money and funds, and Han is a good buyer.
"In terms of the combat capability of single aircraft, Su-27 is definitely not backward, and it is even stronger in some aspects. For example, Su-27 fighters have simpler and stronger structure, and the price is cheaper." President Gu said: "we have talked with each other, and the other party is willing to deliver them to us at the most favorable price. The price of single aircraft will not exceed 15 million."
In order to sell the aircraft, they also worked hard. The unit price of the first batch of Su-27 imported by Han was more than 20 million. Now it is several years ahead of schedule. There are inflation factors and some tricks. Therefore, the price is quite cheap. It is as cheap as the J-11 fighter produced in China, and it is not as high as this price!
Therefore, when hearing this price, some people even began to be excited. After all, the fighters of Han country have always been the products of Xiong country. Most people have a good impression of Xiong country's aircraft. Now, they also have the advantage of price.
"Our J-11 fighter has huge and bulky wing box rotating shaft structures, which waste precious titanium alloy for welding, so the cost can not be reduced, while the Su-27 fighter does not have these problems. Therefore, its price is cheap. Even considering the capital, I think it is necessary for us to introduce this kind of fighter." here, President Gu glanced at Qin Guanyi: "President Qin also said that only competition can make progress. Now, there are only jian-11 heavy air control fighters in China, which obviously does not accord with the idea of competition. Because there is no competition, their cost cannot be reduced. In all aspects, we should introduce Su-27 fighters."
President Gu was so excited that he couldn't even drink the water. He said to the leaders of the third Machinery Department: "in the early stage, we first introduced some complete machines, and then introduced a full set of production technology to produce in our 1112 plant. The cost can be further reduced to provide our navy and air force with a fighter with low price and excellent performance!"
"It sounds really good." suddenly, the leaders of the third Machinery Department spoke.
Qin Guan didn't speak. Although President Gu could easily refute what he said, now it's not his turn to speak.
Competition is right. However, competition is competition during selection, not after entering the production sequence. Look at Yingguo. After selecting the F-15, it will develop this aircraft wholeheartedly. Is there any other aircraft competition? Isn't it too late to mention competition?
In fact, Qin Guan couldn't make up his mind. He wasn't sure which of the two planes was more suitable. Therefore, he gave both sides time to compete. As a result, Mr. Lu soon got it out, and Mr. Gu gave up because it was too difficult. They abandoned it at the beginning, so they had to bear the price!
Qin Guan also expected Su 27 to fly over his own land and become a powerful air force of the motherland, but now it is no longer necessary.
As for the price, he said it was very cheap, but there are many ways to say the price, including the price of single machine, the price of whole life, and the price of spare parts.
For example, what's the use of buying a plane alone? You have to stock a certain backup engine, you have to stock all kinds of spare parts, and you have to buy a large number of missiles. With the urine of Xiong Guoren, you will definitely use special aircraft for special purpose, and will not match your own domestic missile system. If all these come down, the price will go up.
The price of our J-11 fighter is not low. However, the price is mainly not the airframe, but the avionics system. With the progress of technology, the relationship between avionics and battle victory is becoming greater and greater. At the same time, the price of avionics is becoming more and more expensive. What is the avionics level of Su 27? If you replace your own avionics, the price will certainly soar sharply, which is definitely more expensive than the J-11. After all, your own side can mature the production of J-11, and the cost control is very good.
Discussion on the introduction of Su-27 fighters.
"In this confrontation exercise, we can see that the performance of Su-27 fighters is quite good." after Qin Guan entered the conference room, the discussion began.
"We know that the variable swept wing is the technology developed by the second generation aircraft, and the technology trend of the third generation aircraft is the integration of wing and body. The Su-27 fighter is quite perfect." Gu, President of 6601 Institute, talked there.
"In this way, we can make effective use of the vortex and play a good role." President Gu said: "the whole Su-27 fighter is a huge lifting body. Its body space is large and has strong refitting potential. Therefore, if we import this fighter, we can develop into a large family to meet the needs of space and navy."
Up to now, as the big brother of the aviation industry, 6601 and the supporting 1112 factory have a very embarrassing position. Looking at the little brothers, they have begun to engage in advanced projects. There are three generations of aircraft and four generations of aircraft. What about them? So far, they have reduced to a starting role.
Yes, under the guidance of general manager Qin, they gave them the vertical takeoff and landing fighter project. However, they knew that the market of this fighter was not large. Even if the research and development was successful, it was just dozens of aircraft, which already belonged to the non mainstream. If they wanted to develop and expand the market, they had to have a loud project! Their j-8-2 projects now have fewer and fewer orders. If they don't find a way, they will be hungry.
What can we do?
In those years, President Qin did not know through what channels, so he got them a fighter plane. The shape of the fighter plane was quite advanced. At that time, none of them knew it, but now they have understood that the plane is almost a replica of the Su-27 fighter plane. In those years, although they also wanted to copy the surveying and mapping, they just stopped at the surveying and mapping stage, They didn't have the corresponding technology and couldn't do it. As a result, 6611 took the lead and brought out the aircraft with duck wing layout. The decline of 6601 began at that time.
Where they fall, they have to get up. This is their theory. Now, they are going to reintroduce this kind of fighter!
After all, 6601, the big brother of the aviation industry, still has a say.
In particular, when they were engaged in vertical take-off and landing fighters recently, they also dealt with the Xiong people. Now the two sides are talking more and more speculation. For the Xiong people, nothing is impossible to sell. At the instigation of their new leader, they began to let the Han people know.
You can sell it to the Han people!
Of course, this has aroused the dissatisfaction of their homeland defense air force. This kind of fighter should be used for its own use. How can it be exported? However, their dissatisfaction is useless. They need money and funds, and Han is a good buyer.
"In terms of the combat capability of single aircraft, Su-27 is definitely not backward, and it is even stronger in some aspects. For example, Su-27 fighters have simpler and stronger structure, and the price is cheaper." President Gu said: "we have talked with each other, and the other party is willing to deliver them to us at the most favorable price. The price of single aircraft will not exceed 15 million."
In order to sell the aircraft, they also worked hard. The unit price of the first batch of Su-27 imported by Han was more than 20 million. Now it is several years ahead of schedule. There are inflation factors and some tricks. Therefore, the price is quite cheap. It is as cheap as the J-11 fighter produced in China, and it is not as high as this price!
Therefore, when hearing this price, some people even began to be excited. After all, the fighters of Han country have always been the products of Xiong country. Most people have a good impression of Xiong country's aircraft. Now, they also have the advantage of price.
"Our J-11 fighter has huge and bulky wing box rotating shaft structures, which waste precious titanium alloy for welding, so the cost can not be reduced, while the Su-27 fighter does not have these problems. Therefore, its price is cheap. Even considering the capital, I think it is necessary for us to introduce this kind of fighter." here, President Gu glanced at Qin Guanyi: "President Qin also said that only competition can make progress. Now, there are only jian-11 heavy air control fighters in China, which obviously does not accord with the idea of competition. Because there is no competition, their cost cannot be reduced. In all aspects, we should introduce Su-27 fighters."
President Gu was so excited that he couldn't even drink the water. He said to the leaders of the third Machinery Department: "in the early stage, we first introduced some complete machines, and then introduced a full set of production technology to produce in our 1112 plant. The cost can be further reduced to provide our navy and air force with a fighter with low price and excellent performance!"
"It sounds really good." suddenly, the leaders of the third Machinery Department spoke.
Qin Guan didn't speak. Although President Gu could easily refute what he said, now it's not his turn to speak.
Competition is right. However, competition is competition during selection, not after entering the production sequence. Look at Yingguo. After selecting the F-15, it will develop this aircraft wholeheartedly. Is there any other aircraft competition? Isn't it too late to mention competition?
In fact, Qin Guan couldn't make up his mind. He wasn't sure which of the two planes was more suitable. Therefore, he gave both sides time to compete. As a result, Mr. Lu soon got it out, and Mr. Gu gave up because it was too difficult. They abandoned it at the beginning, so they had to bear the price!
Qin Guan also expected Su 27 to fly over his own land and become a powerful air force of the motherland, but now it is no longer necessary.
As for the price, he said it was very cheap, but there are many ways to say the price, including the price of single machine, the price of whole life, and the price of spare parts.
For example, what's the use of buying a plane alone? You have to stock a certain backup engine, you have to stock all kinds of spare parts, and you have to buy a large number of missiles. With the urine of Xiong Guoren, you will definitely use special aircraft for special purpose, and will not match your own domestic missile system. If all these come down, the price will go up.
The price of our J-11 fighter is not low. However, the price is mainly not the airframe, but the avionics system. With the progress of technology, the relationship between avionics and battle victory is becoming greater and greater. At the same time, the price of avionics is becoming more and more expensive. What is the avionics level of Su 27? If you replace your own avionics, the price will certainly soar sharply, which is definitely more expensive than the J-11. After all, your own side can mature the production of J-11, and the cost control is very good.
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