Xinshun 1730
Chapter 455
Chapter 455
In Matsudaira Huizhen's view, this kind of tricky method is full of goodwill.
However, there was still one thing in Songping Huizhen's heart, which he was eager to solve, and that was what to do with the Japanese guns and firearms after Dashun forced Japan to drive the Dutch away?
After this battle, not to mention waking up Japan, at least they knew things like firearms and warships, which are far better than the bravery of samurai swords.
Although Japan also has iron guns and Guobeng, they look similar to Dashun's guns, but they fight really differently.
If the Westerners are really as strong as Liu Yu said, Matsudaira Huizhen would of course agree to take shelter under the wings of Dashun to prevent the influence and aggression of the Westerners.
But I'm afraid that Dashun is not a good bird. The trade has known to block war horses, firearms and weapons before, and now it is even more ruthless.
Therefore, Songping Huizhen tentatively asked: "The place where the port was opened was chosen by Mr. Liu, and I can also agree on behalf of the general."
"Put an end to the Southern Barbarian trade. After reading the brochure Liu Jun gave about the Dutch burning, killing and looting, the general did not want to trade with the Southern Barbarians. It is not a problem to drive the Dutch away."
"It's just that if you have to send troops to your country once there are police, it seems troublesome."
"Besides, if you become a vassal, you should serve as a barrier to defend the big country. Japan's military equipment is extremely weak, and Liu Jun knows it, but the southern barbarians will also know after this incident. If Japan has no military equipment, how will it defend against the enemy?"
"If there is a police in a big country, if Japan is a vassal, it should send troops. But I don't know if your country can sell horses, firearms and other things in this switch trade?"
"Furthermore, the Westerners have many Chechidan followers, and there are also Spaniards in Luzon. If they come to attack, although your country is strong, it will be thousands of miles away. When the big country's army comes, I am afraid that the cities will have been broken."
"If you can pay tribute, you will naturally be loyal. Loyalty and trustworthiness are the way of a warrior and the virtue of a gentleman. A big country can rest assured, but it is only used for self-defense."
As soon as a sensitive question was asked, the interpreter who understood first felt a little thumping in his heart, thinking that the conversation might not be able to continue?
When the interpreter was preparing to translate, Zhaoren and Jianxiang also held the chopsticks holding the fish slices in mid-air, waiting for Liu Yu's answer.
The reason why Matsudaira Huizhen insisted on asking this sensitive topic was because she hoped to get some certainty from Dashun.
If Dashun still imposes a strict technical blockade on Japan under the switch of trade and Japan's tribute, just like the previous Nagasaki trade, then Japan must make preparations early and find another way out.
Especially when expulsing the Dutch away, it may be necessary to strike some deals with the Dutch.
After the interpreter translated this sensitive question, Zhao Baiquan glanced at Liu Yu secretly, wondering if he was going to throw the table?
But I didn't want Liu Yu to raise his chopsticks, pointing to the south and saying: "Everyone, can you see the giant ship docked at the port?"
Everyone nodded, thinking to themselves that this is showing off their might, why can't they see it?
"Westerners do have such giant ships. What Matsudaira-kun said is right. If Japan is a vassal, it should prepare its own armaments and not rely on the Celestial Empire for everything."
"I have also thought about asking Japan to open some ports and allow Chinese warships to cruise around to defend Japan's waters...but I fear that someone will use this to drive a wedge between the Chinese and the vassals."
When the first half of this was said, Matsudaira Huizhen was stunned, wondering if it is possible to patrol the sea with the Japanese garrison?If this is the case, wouldn't the lifeblood be handed over to others?
After hearing the second half, there seemed to be a turning point, and he hurriedly said: "Yes, yes. Not only the warriors were noisy, but the general could not accept the conditions, and had to fight to the end. Moreover, patrolling the sea area will cost a lot. Can the Celestial Dynasty waste money and food again?"
Liu Yu seemed to be persuaded by Matsudaira Huizhen and nodded.Seeing this, Zhao Baiquan was puzzled, but he had also seen Liu Yu's trick of hiding a knife in a smile in Ryukyu, so he just bowed his head and drank without saying a word.
"The giant ship of the Celestial Dynasty has 74 guns. According to the Western saying of distinguishing Fenzhou, this is the largest ship in Asia."
"Since Japan is a vassal, it is impossible to say that it will have to contend with Westerners in the future. It is true that there is no defense without sea. As long as it has a certain amount of navy, it is enough to protect itself, and the Celestial Dynasty is not unreasonable."
"It just so happens that there is still a 64-gun warship in Weihai. It should be enough for self-defense, and it's not good for a vassal to have a warship bigger than the Celestial Dynasty, right?"
"It's just that the price is a bit expensive. This battleship is made of high-quality wood and dried for several years. Among them, there are as many as 64 cannons, and the cost of making cannons is also quite a lot."
"The price of that huge ship is 70 taels of silver. Take two smaller warships and two light boats, and the total price is 120 million taels. The cannons are all prepared and guaranteed to be usable."
"If you are thoughtful, you can prepare silver to buy it. Since you are a vassal, the celestial dynasty will not hesitate to teach you when the season comes. Besides, the celestial dynasty has a vast land, rich resources and a population of tens of millions, so why do you care about these few warships?"
Zhao Baiquan, who was silent when he reported a figure of 120 million taels, thought to himself, what is the reason for this?Isn't this an enemy?How can Japanese wolf ambition really pay tribute and not rebel?
But Zhao Ren, who had been thinking about building ships and defending against the enemy outside of Bibo, suddenly brightened his eyes, thinking that China has been proud for a long time, and he really doesn't care about Japan.Or maybe the peace talks went too smoothly, and my humble and humble attitude actually worked?
Matsudaira Huizhen also swallowed her saliva, thinking is this true?
But considering the quotation again, a ship costs 70 taels of silver. Isn't this price a bit too amazing? 70 taels of silver, that's the total financial revenue of a big feudal clan for several years, and it must be the case that the samurai are not paid.
Seeing that these people were silent, Liu Yu knew that he was shocked, and he didn't know whether it was because of the quotation, or because he was shocked by the price of selling what they saw as the heavy weapon battleship of Zhen Guo.
He didn't care about selling that battleship, and even wanted to sell it a long time ago.With this sale, two 74-gun battleships can be built.
The role of the 64-gun battleship is to train craftsmen, sailors and officers.Ensure that there are enough skilled craftsmen when new battleships are built, and enough skilled and experienced sailors and sailors when new battleships are launched.
Now that these two goals have been achieved, it is meaningless to keep such a battleship that cannot adapt to the East Asian cross-sea operations that travel thousands of miles, and the combat location is not preset in the narrow English Channel, with high protection and high firepower but low speed. up.
The navy is made of money.Liu Yu originally hoped that Japan would build a navy to consume its financial resources, and it would be appropriate to package and sell it by the way.
waste utilization.
There must be some gaps, otherwise Japan will really be forced to "self-reliance and dispatched to study abroad".
Seeing that they didn't seem to believe that there would be such a "good thing", Liu Yu smiled and said: "I know you don't believe it. But the world today is no longer the original world. Like the Mongolians, they can also buy good ones from thousands of miles away. musket."
"If the shogunate wants to rule stably, it also needs warships and artillery. If Dashun doesn't sell them, you will find a way to buy them from other places. At that time, you will have trouble with Westerners."
"Since that's the case, it's not a bad idea to sell it to you and support the shogunate. But, the price, that's what it is."
"I'm not bragging. Even if you ask the Dutch, it's impossible for them to get such a large warship and sell it to you."
"Not only can I sell you this warship with a discount of 120 million taels, but I can also sell you some muskets for the purpose of ruling."
"The vassals of Japan, if there are those who secretly collude with the West, the shogunate will punish them. If there are no guns and artillery, it will be inconvenient."
"How about this, I will sell you a batch of self-generated guns and cannons for a total of 80 taels. Including those warships, the total price is 200 million taels."
"If you can agree, you can prepare for the handover. As long as the silver is in place, everything is easy to talk about."
Liu Yu not only wanted to sell outdated warships, but also thought about selling outdated muskets and cannons along the way.I bought a bunch of French goods back then, and spent a lot of money. Now there are thousands of French 1695 navy models in the army, all of which are outdated and broken guns.
By the way, the new artillery uses 6-pounders instead of 4-pounders and 8-pounders. Those extravagant, gorgeous, Parisian court aesthetic 4-pounders and 8-pounders have to be cast into various small animals. , also sold together.
Anyway, if you really want to buy this thing, the Dutch will try their best to sell it.
At least it is used to disgust Dashun, hoping to use Japan to contain Dashun, so as not to let Dashun pose a threat to Nanyang, and it will definitely be done.
People are lazy, especially the subject of a country.As long as there is a gap that can be bought, I don't bother to think about making it myself.The key is not easy to make by yourself. The new 6-pound gun, whether it is casting technology or boring machine machinery, is not something that Japan can figure out.
Can only buy.
Instead of letting them buy Dutch guns, it's better to clear out the old guns and replace them with new guns from the Dashun Army.
Just when Songping Huizhen was secretly delighted, Liu Yu put forward another condition, or an exchange.
"Since I gave you warships, you may not know how to use them. The Celestial Dynasty will send people to teach you, so there is no need to mention that. If you buy it again in the future, the Celestial Dynasty will also sell it. As long as the silver is in place, you can sell it."
"However, if it is a tribute, it also needs to take an attitude to show that Japan's purchase of these equipment is to protect itself and not to invade Korea and Ryukyu again."
"How about this attitude?"
"The Celestial Dynasty will send people to help you draw a map of Japan, all using the latest methods, with clear latitude and longitude, accurate and detailed."
"As long as Japan abides by the etiquette and acts peacefully as a vassal, but look at North Korea, could it be that the Celestial Dynasty invaded North Korea? Therefore, it is not a big problem to show the map to the Celestial Dynasty. As long as it is a state that abides by proprieties, how can the Celestial Dynasty punish it? But if not Agree, the Chinese government will also consider whether Japan has ulterior motives, or even reckless? Otherwise, why is the Chinese government not allowed to survey and draw maps? What are you afraid of?"
"This matter is not within the scope of the treaty. If it can be done, it will be done. If it can't be done, then that's all. But if the shogunate can buy these equipment, I can also guarantee that I will never let a warship or a musket flow into the world. In the hands of Fan."
Songping Huizhen originally only wanted to buy arms, but when Liu Yu agreed, she began to calculate in a small place whether the asking price was too high.
Two million taels of silver is not a small amount.But if they can get it, the shogunate can also guarantee a strong advantage over the feudal vassals, and get the support of Dashun.
As for mapping the map...it sounds more like a surrender test.
He looked at Liu Yu quietly, and saw that Liu Yu had a calm face, as if he was waiting for Matsudaira Huizhen's answer.
Song Pinghui said in his heart, the initiative is in your hands, if I am not sure, I am afraid you will say that even surveying and mapping maps are not allowed, this is not real surrender, I am afraid that you will continue to fight?
Besides, Japan is narrow, and several major cities are all near the sea, so how can there be any secrets at all?
Thinking that I signed these treaties on behalf of the shogunate, even though the shogunate was "forced by the feudal vassals" to negotiate peace, the shogunate was happy that I had achieved these conditions, but I must be blamed.
Anyway, I have to recite it. For the sake of the shogunate, I simply nodded and said: "This matter is feasible. However, with the compensation, such a large sum of gold and silver cannot be paid out for a while."
(End of this chapter)
In Matsudaira Huizhen's view, this kind of tricky method is full of goodwill.
However, there was still one thing in Songping Huizhen's heart, which he was eager to solve, and that was what to do with the Japanese guns and firearms after Dashun forced Japan to drive the Dutch away?
After this battle, not to mention waking up Japan, at least they knew things like firearms and warships, which are far better than the bravery of samurai swords.
Although Japan also has iron guns and Guobeng, they look similar to Dashun's guns, but they fight really differently.
If the Westerners are really as strong as Liu Yu said, Matsudaira Huizhen would of course agree to take shelter under the wings of Dashun to prevent the influence and aggression of the Westerners.
But I'm afraid that Dashun is not a good bird. The trade has known to block war horses, firearms and weapons before, and now it is even more ruthless.
Therefore, Songping Huizhen tentatively asked: "The place where the port was opened was chosen by Mr. Liu, and I can also agree on behalf of the general."
"Put an end to the Southern Barbarian trade. After reading the brochure Liu Jun gave about the Dutch burning, killing and looting, the general did not want to trade with the Southern Barbarians. It is not a problem to drive the Dutch away."
"It's just that if you have to send troops to your country once there are police, it seems troublesome."
"Besides, if you become a vassal, you should serve as a barrier to defend the big country. Japan's military equipment is extremely weak, and Liu Jun knows it, but the southern barbarians will also know after this incident. If Japan has no military equipment, how will it defend against the enemy?"
"If there is a police in a big country, if Japan is a vassal, it should send troops. But I don't know if your country can sell horses, firearms and other things in this switch trade?"
"Furthermore, the Westerners have many Chechidan followers, and there are also Spaniards in Luzon. If they come to attack, although your country is strong, it will be thousands of miles away. When the big country's army comes, I am afraid that the cities will have been broken."
"If you can pay tribute, you will naturally be loyal. Loyalty and trustworthiness are the way of a warrior and the virtue of a gentleman. A big country can rest assured, but it is only used for self-defense."
As soon as a sensitive question was asked, the interpreter who understood first felt a little thumping in his heart, thinking that the conversation might not be able to continue?
When the interpreter was preparing to translate, Zhaoren and Jianxiang also held the chopsticks holding the fish slices in mid-air, waiting for Liu Yu's answer.
The reason why Matsudaira Huizhen insisted on asking this sensitive topic was because she hoped to get some certainty from Dashun.
If Dashun still imposes a strict technical blockade on Japan under the switch of trade and Japan's tribute, just like the previous Nagasaki trade, then Japan must make preparations early and find another way out.
Especially when expulsing the Dutch away, it may be necessary to strike some deals with the Dutch.
After the interpreter translated this sensitive question, Zhao Baiquan glanced at Liu Yu secretly, wondering if he was going to throw the table?
But I didn't want Liu Yu to raise his chopsticks, pointing to the south and saying: "Everyone, can you see the giant ship docked at the port?"
Everyone nodded, thinking to themselves that this is showing off their might, why can't they see it?
"Westerners do have such giant ships. What Matsudaira-kun said is right. If Japan is a vassal, it should prepare its own armaments and not rely on the Celestial Empire for everything."
"I have also thought about asking Japan to open some ports and allow Chinese warships to cruise around to defend Japan's waters...but I fear that someone will use this to drive a wedge between the Chinese and the vassals."
When the first half of this was said, Matsudaira Huizhen was stunned, wondering if it is possible to patrol the sea with the Japanese garrison?If this is the case, wouldn't the lifeblood be handed over to others?
After hearing the second half, there seemed to be a turning point, and he hurriedly said: "Yes, yes. Not only the warriors were noisy, but the general could not accept the conditions, and had to fight to the end. Moreover, patrolling the sea area will cost a lot. Can the Celestial Dynasty waste money and food again?"
Liu Yu seemed to be persuaded by Matsudaira Huizhen and nodded.Seeing this, Zhao Baiquan was puzzled, but he had also seen Liu Yu's trick of hiding a knife in a smile in Ryukyu, so he just bowed his head and drank without saying a word.
"The giant ship of the Celestial Dynasty has 74 guns. According to the Western saying of distinguishing Fenzhou, this is the largest ship in Asia."
"Since Japan is a vassal, it is impossible to say that it will have to contend with Westerners in the future. It is true that there is no defense without sea. As long as it has a certain amount of navy, it is enough to protect itself, and the Celestial Dynasty is not unreasonable."
"It just so happens that there is still a 64-gun warship in Weihai. It should be enough for self-defense, and it's not good for a vassal to have a warship bigger than the Celestial Dynasty, right?"
"It's just that the price is a bit expensive. This battleship is made of high-quality wood and dried for several years. Among them, there are as many as 64 cannons, and the cost of making cannons is also quite a lot."
"The price of that huge ship is 70 taels of silver. Take two smaller warships and two light boats, and the total price is 120 million taels. The cannons are all prepared and guaranteed to be usable."
"If you are thoughtful, you can prepare silver to buy it. Since you are a vassal, the celestial dynasty will not hesitate to teach you when the season comes. Besides, the celestial dynasty has a vast land, rich resources and a population of tens of millions, so why do you care about these few warships?"
Zhao Baiquan, who was silent when he reported a figure of 120 million taels, thought to himself, what is the reason for this?Isn't this an enemy?How can Japanese wolf ambition really pay tribute and not rebel?
But Zhao Ren, who had been thinking about building ships and defending against the enemy outside of Bibo, suddenly brightened his eyes, thinking that China has been proud for a long time, and he really doesn't care about Japan.Or maybe the peace talks went too smoothly, and my humble and humble attitude actually worked?
Matsudaira Huizhen also swallowed her saliva, thinking is this true?
But considering the quotation again, a ship costs 70 taels of silver. Isn't this price a bit too amazing? 70 taels of silver, that's the total financial revenue of a big feudal clan for several years, and it must be the case that the samurai are not paid.
Seeing that these people were silent, Liu Yu knew that he was shocked, and he didn't know whether it was because of the quotation, or because he was shocked by the price of selling what they saw as the heavy weapon battleship of Zhen Guo.
He didn't care about selling that battleship, and even wanted to sell it a long time ago.With this sale, two 74-gun battleships can be built.
The role of the 64-gun battleship is to train craftsmen, sailors and officers.Ensure that there are enough skilled craftsmen when new battleships are built, and enough skilled and experienced sailors and sailors when new battleships are launched.
Now that these two goals have been achieved, it is meaningless to keep such a battleship that cannot adapt to the East Asian cross-sea operations that travel thousands of miles, and the combat location is not preset in the narrow English Channel, with high protection and high firepower but low speed. up.
The navy is made of money.Liu Yu originally hoped that Japan would build a navy to consume its financial resources, and it would be appropriate to package and sell it by the way.
waste utilization.
There must be some gaps, otherwise Japan will really be forced to "self-reliance and dispatched to study abroad".
Seeing that they didn't seem to believe that there would be such a "good thing", Liu Yu smiled and said: "I know you don't believe it. But the world today is no longer the original world. Like the Mongolians, they can also buy good ones from thousands of miles away. musket."
"If the shogunate wants to rule stably, it also needs warships and artillery. If Dashun doesn't sell them, you will find a way to buy them from other places. At that time, you will have trouble with Westerners."
"Since that's the case, it's not a bad idea to sell it to you and support the shogunate. But, the price, that's what it is."
"I'm not bragging. Even if you ask the Dutch, it's impossible for them to get such a large warship and sell it to you."
"Not only can I sell you this warship with a discount of 120 million taels, but I can also sell you some muskets for the purpose of ruling."
"The vassals of Japan, if there are those who secretly collude with the West, the shogunate will punish them. If there are no guns and artillery, it will be inconvenient."
"How about this, I will sell you a batch of self-generated guns and cannons for a total of 80 taels. Including those warships, the total price is 200 million taels."
"If you can agree, you can prepare for the handover. As long as the silver is in place, everything is easy to talk about."
Liu Yu not only wanted to sell outdated warships, but also thought about selling outdated muskets and cannons along the way.I bought a bunch of French goods back then, and spent a lot of money. Now there are thousands of French 1695 navy models in the army, all of which are outdated and broken guns.
By the way, the new artillery uses 6-pounders instead of 4-pounders and 8-pounders. Those extravagant, gorgeous, Parisian court aesthetic 4-pounders and 8-pounders have to be cast into various small animals. , also sold together.
Anyway, if you really want to buy this thing, the Dutch will try their best to sell it.
At least it is used to disgust Dashun, hoping to use Japan to contain Dashun, so as not to let Dashun pose a threat to Nanyang, and it will definitely be done.
People are lazy, especially the subject of a country.As long as there is a gap that can be bought, I don't bother to think about making it myself.The key is not easy to make by yourself. The new 6-pound gun, whether it is casting technology or boring machine machinery, is not something that Japan can figure out.
Can only buy.
Instead of letting them buy Dutch guns, it's better to clear out the old guns and replace them with new guns from the Dashun Army.
Just when Songping Huizhen was secretly delighted, Liu Yu put forward another condition, or an exchange.
"Since I gave you warships, you may not know how to use them. The Celestial Dynasty will send people to teach you, so there is no need to mention that. If you buy it again in the future, the Celestial Dynasty will also sell it. As long as the silver is in place, you can sell it."
"However, if it is a tribute, it also needs to take an attitude to show that Japan's purchase of these equipment is to protect itself and not to invade Korea and Ryukyu again."
"How about this attitude?"
"The Celestial Dynasty will send people to help you draw a map of Japan, all using the latest methods, with clear latitude and longitude, accurate and detailed."
"As long as Japan abides by the etiquette and acts peacefully as a vassal, but look at North Korea, could it be that the Celestial Dynasty invaded North Korea? Therefore, it is not a big problem to show the map to the Celestial Dynasty. As long as it is a state that abides by proprieties, how can the Celestial Dynasty punish it? But if not Agree, the Chinese government will also consider whether Japan has ulterior motives, or even reckless? Otherwise, why is the Chinese government not allowed to survey and draw maps? What are you afraid of?"
"This matter is not within the scope of the treaty. If it can be done, it will be done. If it can't be done, then that's all. But if the shogunate can buy these equipment, I can also guarantee that I will never let a warship or a musket flow into the world. In the hands of Fan."
Songping Huizhen originally only wanted to buy arms, but when Liu Yu agreed, she began to calculate in a small place whether the asking price was too high.
Two million taels of silver is not a small amount.But if they can get it, the shogunate can also guarantee a strong advantage over the feudal vassals, and get the support of Dashun.
As for mapping the map...it sounds more like a surrender test.
He looked at Liu Yu quietly, and saw that Liu Yu had a calm face, as if he was waiting for Matsudaira Huizhen's answer.
Song Pinghui said in his heart, the initiative is in your hands, if I am not sure, I am afraid you will say that even surveying and mapping maps are not allowed, this is not real surrender, I am afraid that you will continue to fight?
Besides, Japan is narrow, and several major cities are all near the sea, so how can there be any secrets at all?
Thinking that I signed these treaties on behalf of the shogunate, even though the shogunate was "forced by the feudal vassals" to negotiate peace, the shogunate was happy that I had achieved these conditions, but I must be blamed.
Anyway, I have to recite it. For the sake of the shogunate, I simply nodded and said: "This matter is feasible. However, with the compensation, such a large sum of gold and silver cannot be paid out for a while."
(End of this chapter)
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