Xinshun 1730

Chapter 776

Liu Yu's words made a good start and made these emerging classes feel hopeful.

But then, Liu Yu did not directly talk about "rights", but first talked about the "obligations" that these new classes hate most.

"I know what you are most concerned about. It is not the court's intention to ask you to make a fortune together. In business, there is nothing wrong with wanting to get rich."

"But everything in Nanyang is not as simple as making a fortune. Now the imperial court is using troops in Nanyang. Nanyang is vast, and anti-smuggling is common. The garrison strictly guards against it. It also needs to prevent Nanyang goods from being smuggled to Xiyi people. All this requires money."

"Nowadays, when the imperial court employs troops, the military expenses are mostly paid for by land, silver and salt taxes."

"They are all peasants, farmers, businessmen, and the four people. Farmers pay taxes and fight wars, and soldiers bleed. In the end, you get all the profits. Isn't that appropriate?"

"If you want to talk about the use of troops in the northwest, you may feel that it is uncomfortable to pay for it. You feel that it is none of my business to be in the southeast thousands of miles away from the northwest. Why should I wait for the money? I will not argue with you. It is useless to argue, but it is more or less like Makes sense too."

"But this trip to Nanyang...do you think it's appropriate?"

As soon as the voice fell, these emerging classes in Dashun were speechless.

The vast majority of people must only want to enjoy rights and do not want to pay obligations.

The farmers in Dashun belonged to the class that didn't expect to have any rights at all, but the merchant class was quite different.

Is it appropriate to say?

Not to mention the South Seas, but the defense of the Northeast and Northwest. It is not appropriate to say that it has nothing to do with them.

Merchants can actually understand the model of the European East India Company.

Whether it's the UK, the Netherlands, or France.The East India Company's garrison expenses and war expenses are all included in the company's operating costs.

It is impossible to say that the state uses national finances to fight for the company, and then let the company take all the proceeds.

Is there any possibility of this happening?Of course it is possible, but the premise is that the commercial bourgeoisie is a dictatorship and the state fully represents the interests of the commercial bourgeoisie.

But in Dashun, don’t talk about the dictatorship of the commercial bourgeoisie.To put it bluntly, the status of a businessman does not even have the qualifications to be "united front".

The Dashun court cared more about the interests of the small farmers than the views of the merchant class.Because what the general public can do, from Chen Sheng Wu Guang to Emperor Dashun Taizu, has proved a lot, and also proved their united front value.

Ke Dashun's merchant class...

The British bourgeoisie can make the country have to pay attention, because they can hold the king's head and talk about things.

These emerging classes in Dashun are still far from being a flock of fat sheep waiting to be slaughtered.

A tiger can compromise with a pack of wolves, or even a group of trillions of ants, but it will never compromise with a group of big fat sheep.

The worries of these emerging classes in Dashun are also based on this.

The story of Shen Wansan may be false, but it is widely circulated among businessmen.

Liu Yu talked so much about "money" when he first came up. These emerging classes are worried, is the imperial court planning to eat alone?
Not to mention eating alone, but also cut their flesh as equity?
That is to say, Liu Yu's reputation among the merchant class is not bad, and the imperial court has done some "personnel affairs" according to some "rules" of the merchant class in recent years.

It hasn't surprised all these people yet.

A group of people looked at each other, and then turned their attention to Lin Yunwen, the director of the Sino-Japanese Trading Company. He and Liu Yu had known each other for a long time. When Liu Yu went to the Japanese shogunate to talk about things, this person was the one who taught Liu Yu's Japanese. teacher.

Some people have thousands of words, and they think it is better to let Lin Yunwen speak out.

Lin Yunwen saw that everyone was silent and gave him winks, so he had no choice but to come forward and say: "What Jinghou said is absolutely true. There is no right and obligation without obligation, and there should be no obligation without interest."

"The imperial court spent the money of scholars, peasants, businessmen and peasants when they went to Nanyang, and we all know it. It is indeed inappropriate for us to monopolize the benefits."

"It's just that, please ask Jing Hou to clarify, what does the court mean? I'm so stupid, it's really hard to figure it out."

It sounds nice, but in fact, there are very few people who can really understand and implement the phrase "There are no rights without obligations, and there should be obligations without rights."

As long as you can understand a little bit, there will not be a situation where Shenzhou almost sinks in the late Ming Dynasty.

There is no need to talk about morality with businessmen, businessmen all over the world are the same, and Dashun's are not very advanced.

What European businessmen have done, Chinese businessmen have also done.

Although Liu Yu often ridiculed Dutch financiers for repaying loans to the enemy country during the war in the Netherlands, it was really common for Chinese businessmen to transport grain and iron to the enemy country during the war.

Although Liu Yu often complained about the pirate style of Western European maritime merchants, Chinese maritime merchants were not much better.In the history of the Ryukyu tribute, the sea merchants waited for the sword. They took the experience of banning the sea and packed more goods, but they couldn’t sell them. They forced the Ryukyu king to eat all the goods, and even smashed and robbed Shuri Castle.

Although Liu Yu often ridicules the cruel colonial policies of Western Europeans, Chinese businessmen sell medicinal materials such as "Fan Gao", "Fan Xin" and "Fan Wu Wrist" from time to time, and they know what they are probably by their names.

Since the business class is almost the same, Lin Yunwen's words are very politically correct, so just listen to them.

Expecting these people to really understand the unity of rights and obligations is similar to expecting the landlord class in the late Ming Dynasty to actively maintain the rule of the Ming Dynasty.

Liu Yu was not in a hurry to tell about the methods after going to Nanyang, but instead asked: "You all think it is so inappropriate, but I don't know what you think is the best?"

When I asked Liu Yu a question just now, Lin Yunwen still dared to speak.Now that Liu Yu asked back, Lin Yunwen didn't dare to speak.

It is said that the court is dissatisfied, and he will suffer.

It is said that the imperial court is satisfied, but his colleagues are definitely not satisfied, and they will inevitably be excluded in the future.

Saying nothing at this time is the choice of a wise man.

During the long silence, these emerging classes thought a lot.

If you really tell the truth, what exactly do you want?They actually have a clue in their hearts.

Although there was no Qing Dynasty in this era, there was no thirteen-line system of the Qing Dynasty, and since Dashun went to Nanyang, there was no possibility of transferring the trade center because of Western ships approaching the starting point of water transportation.

However, if the trade model that these businessmen can imagine that best meets their expectations, it is of course similar to the model of Thirteen Banks.

But after going to Nanyang, the appearance will change a little, but the inside is still the same.

It is nothing more than the imperial court using land, silver and salt taxes as military expenses, building ships, expanding the army, and controlling Nanyang.

Just like the Dutch ruled Nanyang, the spices are strictly controlled and private operation is prohibited.

Then, the monopoly of Western trade was granted to the guilds and firms formed by these big merchants.

In this way, they are the ones who make money, and the court spends money, and they don’t have to worry about anything. With Dashun’s handicraft industry foundation and Nanyang’s spices, it’s really just a matter of sitting at home and counting the money.

If this is the case, the real rich merchants would be sorry for their monopoly position if they did not engage in 5000 million taels of silver, did not become creditors of the East India Company, did not buy real estate in New York, and did not invest in the fur trade in North America.

This mode is what Liu Yu hates the most, and it has been trying to avoid it all the time.

From a purely commercial point of view, this model is undoubtedly the favorite of businessmen: if you want to control the market and transportation in your own hands, you need to fight and spend money, which are all costs.

Can obtain excess profit at extremely low cost, who would think about spending high cost to earn possibly higher profit?

It's just that among the emerging classes of Dashun present, those with low status are afraid to speak at this time; those with higher status have already had contact with Liu Yu, and know that Liu Yu doesn't like this kind of nonsense at all. Unaggressive profit model.

Furthermore, Liu Yu's words just now have made it quite clear that it is absolutely impossible to use the land, silver and salt taxes paid by farmers to make profits for the merchant class, unless Dashun is under the dictatorship of the financial bourgeoisie.

Seeing that these people didn't speak, Liu Yu sighed, thinking that the fucking mud can't support the wall.

"If you don't speak, I will."

"I also guess what you are thinking, but I want to say something: If you really sit on the ground and collect money, the imperial court spends the treasury money and uses the country's army, then why should the benefits be shared with you?"

"If you think that even if the imperial court does this, they still have to find merchants to set up a commercial firm and take the position of an official merchant. In the end, they still have to use you as a dental firm and an imperial merchant."

"But I want to say, do you think I don't understand trade? Or do I do this by myself, can't I do it? Do I have to use you?"

After finishing speaking, his eyes suddenly became serious, and he walked around the people attending the banquet, his eyes were extremely sharp.With the coercion accumulated by the central court in 2000, all the businessmen present felt uncomfortable.

In addition to the coercion he was used to two years ago, and the things Liu Yu had done before, these businessmen had to think seriously about Liu Yu's words.

Indeed, if they were really sitting on the ground to collect money, why would the court use them?

All of them were thinking, before Hou Jing went to Japan, engaged in trade, and set up a Sino-Swiss joint company, and really wanted to engage in foreign trade, which one of the people present knew more about the Western Yi countries than him?
In terms of business means, it is not weaker than these people present.

It is true that the imperial court is now fully capable of engaging in government-run monopoly franchises, and can completely bypass their business firms as middlemen.

Some people heard anger from Liu Yu's tone.

But there are also some people who are aware of business opportunities.

Thinking in reverse, I think this is a good thing.

Now the court is not short of money.

There is no shortage of connections.

There is no lack of understanding of Western trade.

There is no shortage of seamanship.

There is no shortage of men who can organize large-scale trade.

There is nothing lacking. In this case, the Marquis of Jing still said that the court can give the merchants a chance. Isn't that really a chance?

Lin Yunwen, who worked as Liu Yu's Japanese translator and Japanese teacher, took the initiative to come forward and said, "Jing Hou, calm down. We admire Jing Hou's ability. Who knows that if Jing Hou presides over the trade, he will definitely make a lot of money." ?”

"It's just...it's not unprecedented to go to Nanyang. However, how to trade is indeed unprecedented."

"In the past, San Baogong went to Nanyang, and Nanyang made a profit by transporting spices back to China for sale. Now many years have passed, and Nanyang trade has never been interrupted. Even if the Dutch monopolize, the smuggling of spice trade has never stopped. There is no one in this country. No matter how much room there is for profit growth, it must be sold to Western countries.”

"This one is different from the story."

"Both, the Holy Son of Heaven is kind and the court is lenient, and it also gives us the opportunity to make a fortune. This is different from when San Baogong went to the West."

"There is no story to learn from before and after, so we can only look at the present."

"However, regardless of whether the Dutch or British East India Companies have merits, they are not in line with the Chinese system."

"Soldiers, non-sages are not available."

"Politicians cannot be ruled by the Son of Heaven."

"I can't wait for businessmen, how dare I look wildly at the soldiers and government of the East India Company?"

"Yes, I really don't know what to do."

This is the crux of today's matter. Lin Yunwen's words, like enlightenment, awakened those businessmen who didn't know it yet.

The sound of echo suddenly rang out.

"Of course! Of course!"

"As for military affairs and government affairs, how can I dare to look wildly like a grassroots?"

"I cannot learn the British-Dutch system. If I learn about the old affairs of the Three Protectors, it is like waiting for a sword and waiting for a rabbit. Therefore, I ask your lord to make a decision."

Some people who hadn't thought of this section before were also sweating coldly at this time, thinking that Jinghou had been talking about military expenses, garrison, etc. just now, so he was mentioning our section.

Is that something we can do?
Seeing Lin Yunwen mentioning this key point, Liu Yu nodded slowly and said: "If you can think so, it is not in vain that the imperial court also wants to support and support you, and tell you to make a fortune together."

"Going to Nanyang is just the beginning. If you want to make a fortune in the future, you need to control Nanyang."

"If not, British smuggling ships came around and bought spices. How could they buy ours? Or, local merchants took spices and secretly smuggled them to Bengkulu, Luzon, or even India. , which can’t make any money.”

"Monopoly, monopoly, if you can't even control the supply of goods, how can you call it a monopoly?"

"But I also said before, the opposition and unity of rights and obligations."

"You don't want to spend money, don't want to pay for the Nanyang garrison, so don't even think about Nanyang trade. Is this reasonable?"

"It can't be said that the money from the treasury of the imperial court only makes you rich. There is no such reason in the world. The ancestor followed the emperor Taizu to fight the world. It can't be said that when he fought the world, he bleeds hard and waits to be the hero of the world." At that time, why did you find someone who had done nothing and was living in seclusion at home when Shenzhou almost fell to Chenzhou, to be a Duke?"

When asked this way, the businessmen present said repeatedly: "Reasonable, reasonable, very reasonable."

"If we can participate in trade and maintain a monopoly, it is only natural to pay for it."

"It's just... this..."

He said it was reasonable, but he wondered how much money the court was going to charge?

The imperial court often engages in donations, donations, and apportionments, and there are not many taxes that are really clear.

If it is like the previous dynasty, it is still known as one tax per [-] years. However, the first tax is light, the second tax is heavy, and apportionment is a bottomless pit. This is an effective principle since ancient times.

Businessmen are afraid of this.

It is not that Dashun has never established a similar monopoly franchise company, such as a trading company for Japan.But things in Nanyang are different from things in Japan.Especially after Lin Yunwen mentioned "military and political affairs", it was not a truth that businessmen like them could touch, this became even more obvious.

The Japanese monopoly company is in the style of buying and selling.

Spend money and buy a monopoly.

Done.

Do you need to inspect smuggling?No need, because Japan locked the country and directly helped to fight smuggling.

Need a garrison?No need, Japan just opened up the port, and trading companies to Japan only need to sell the goods in the past.

Do you need to be responsible for Japan's land reform, land policy, and tax changes?No need, because there is no way to intervene, whether it is the shogunate or the princes, the control is very strict.

Nothing is needed, is this the same as Nanyang Energy?

Nanyang cannot bypass the army or the government.

Military power, political power, governing power.

With Dashun's political environment, could this thing be contracted out?
It is even said that feudal Nanyang is more likely than contracting out to run a monopoly company. Although the former is also nonsense, at least it is a kind of nonsense that can be discussed within Dashun.

The emerging classes have their own expectations, but their expectations are the ones that Liu Yu vetoes.In this case, no matter how you look at it, you feel that the court wants to cut their flesh and cut their hair.

Speaking of this, Liu Yu did not go deep into this topic directly, but turned around and asked: "The prosperity of the world is all for profit; the world is crowded for profit."

"In business, business is all about seeking money. You don't have to shy away from it."

"Well, let me ask you a question first."

"What do you think is the average annual rate of return, and you will choose to invest?"

"Give you some time, you discuss it, and come up with a rough amount."

"In my heart, there is probably a number."

"If the number in my heart is higher than what you think, then we can talk about it."

"If the number in my heart is lower than your bottom line, then I don't need to waste my words."

"Most of you are not interested in talking about the prestige of the celestial dynasty and the domination of the seven seas. It may not be able to convince you. From the celestial dynasty's conquest of Rakshasa, Japan, and the establishment of the navy to the present, there are not many people who have invested in the army or abandoned businessmen to join the army."

After speaking, he took out his pocket watch to check the time, waved his hand and said, "I'll give you two quarters of an hour to discuss. After two quarters of an hour, you will come up with a number."

Putting away the pocket watch, Liu Yu sat there without speaking, just drinking tea by himself leisurely.

The merchants below suddenly fell into the oil pan like water droplets, and like a stone thrown into a summer cesspit to disturb the flies.

Buzzing discussions can be heard endlessly.

Since Liu Yu said it bluntly, these businessmen did not shy away from discussing such lowly things as "Aduwu" in front of the court ministers.

The people sitting between the tables are all acquaintances. They know that Nanyang will make a fortune, but they don't know how much profit Nanyang can make.

That's not to say there are none at all.At first, I thought that the imperial court would adopt the model of sitting on the ground to collect money, engage in monopoly operations by officials and businessmen, and let them be franchisees.

If this is the case, the profits will be huge.

It is estimated that under such a model, the imperial court will collect a monopoly fee every year, and they will pay tribute every year when the court needs some rare items, and they will take care of the gods every year.

Not to mention [-]% to [-]% profit, [-]% to [-]% profit is definitely available.

But now Liu Yu directly punctured their illusions and made it clear that you want to make money, so you can also get the money for the garrison and anti-smuggling.

How much profit is there left?

They don't know, and they haven't thought about it before.

Now that he asked the bottom line of his heart, everyone couldn't come up with a unified opinion for a while.

(End of this chapter)