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Chapter 1206 Alliance
Hearing Zhang Qihang's words, Mr. Zhu couldn't help laughing, he shook his head while laughing and said: "If I can see this day, I will..."
Changan Automobile and Fengtian Aerospace Mitsubishi do not have much cooperation, but they have never suffered from Fengtian Aerospace Mitsubishi's "forced buying and strong selling", but they have not suffered losses. It does not mean that Mr. Zhu does not know what Fengtian Aerospace Mitsubishi does. To be honest, Fengtian Aerospace Mitsubishi's approach makes him look down on him, revealing a petty air of a villain who is getting rich.
Zhang Qihang also interrupted Mr. Zhu with a smile, and said: "Look at what you said, even now, you can see this day. When everyone has mastered our parallel shaft gearbox technology, who will look at their faces from Fengtian Mitsubishi?"
"Hehe..." Mr. Zhu said with a smile: "There is also the engine. The gearbox is just a piggyback, and the engine is their main business. Speaking of which, I remember that according to the cooperation agreement you signed with Hongda, it seems that your engine can only be used for your own use. You can neither sell the finished product nor transfer the technology to the outside world, right?"
At the beginning, Huateng Group signed a technology exchange agreement with Hongda, and exchanged its own parallel shaft gearbox technology for Hongda’s F-series engine technology. However, Hongda Automobile also restricted these technologies, only allowing Huateng Group to use them for themselves, and not selling finished products and technologies to the outside world. Few people in the domestic automobile industry did not know about this matter.
Zhang Qihang said with a smile: "We can't sell HTC F-series engines, nor can we sell related technologies, but we can sell products with our own technology."
Mr. Zhu was stunned for a moment, and said in surprise: "Do you have your own technology engine?"
"Look at what you said, have you forgotten the power system on our Fengya car?"
"Fengya? Oh..." Mr. Zhu remembered the power system that Zhang Qihang mentioned, and after nodding, he was a little surprised: "Then your engines are V6 and V8, and the starting displacement is 3.0. Those companies that need external engines, which one needs such a large displacement engine?"
This is true. At present, the most popular and widely used engine for passenger cars in China is the one with a displacement between 1.5 liters and 2.0 liters. The inline four-cylinder engine with a displacement of 2.4 liters can be regarded as the threshold of "large displacement".
Among the most popular mid-level cars at present, the models equipped with engines with a displacement of 3.0 or more are not for the sake of volume at all, but to show their own strength and remind the brand of its height. The hottest model this year: Guangfeng Camry, the top configuration is the power combination of 2.4 self-priming engine and 5AT.
In this way, the problem arises: Even the 2.4-liter self-priming engine has touched the threshold of large displacement. To whom does Huateng Group plan to sell the 3.0 V6 engine on Fengya Automobile?Who can afford it and use it?
"Mr. Zhu, you're overcomplicating things," Zhang Qihang shook his head and said, "You may not know that the two V6 engines on Fengya are actually 'cut' off two cylinders on the basis of the V8 engine. Now that the two V8 engines are 'cut' from the middle, they become two in-line four-cylinder engines with 2.0 and 2.4 displacements."
Speaking of this, Zhang Qihang said with a smile: "What do you think, after having these two engines, it can be matched with our parallel shaft gearbox? Is there a market?"
Mr. Zhu stopped talking, but pondered. The more he thought about it, the more he felt that Zhang Qihang's idea was indeed feasible. Although major domestic manufacturers have launched models equipped with 2.0 and even 2.4 engines, these engines are almost without exception purchased from Fengtian Aerospace Mitsubishi...
Ok?
Thinking of this, Mr. Zhu suddenly realized that he had overlooked a problem: he was almost fooled. What Zhang Qihang said was very good, but what does it have to do with his own Chang'an?
"Good……"
Mr. Zhu nodded, and then asked Zhang Qihang in half-doubt and half-jokingly: "Why? Mr. Zhang is going to sell this engine to us? We can't afford such a good engine in Chang'an."
Mr. Zhu's words are not just talking nonsense. The existing product line of Chang'an Automobile does not need such a large-displacement engine, not to mention the models under the joint venture brand, and Chang'an will not be given the opportunity to intervene in the engine supply at all.
Since there is no way to make a decision on the engine supply of the joint venture brand, we can only focus on Changan's own brand. However, Changan Automobile's existing independent models, except for the van, only have one Benben, but Benben is positioned as a mini car. How can it use such a large-displacement engine?
"How can you say that you can't use it?" Zhang Qihang said with a smile: "Could it be that our Chang'an Automobile is willing to keep producing vans? No way?"
Hearing Zhang Qihang's words, everyone in Chang'an stopped talking-what a joke, of course Chang'an Automobile is not satisfied with only producing vans.
The success of Benben has greatly encouraged the senior management of Changan, especially stimulated by the success of Huateng Group, the senior management of Changan intends to take advantage of the victory and decide to enter the field of compact cars. Even this project has been officially approved, which is the future Changan Yuexiang.
Mr. Zhu's face remained unchanged, he nodded and said: "Changan is definitely not satisfied with the current achievements."
"I think so too." Speaking of this, Zhang Qihang suddenly changed the subject, and asked Mr. Zhu with a smile: "Mr. Zhu, you should know the Renault-Nissan-Mitsubishi Engine Alliance, right?"
Mr. Feng was taken aback when he heard that: Engine Alliance?
It's no wonder that Mr. Feng was in a daze. In fact, Zhang Qihang had never told him about this before, but Mr. Feng's reaction was also very quick. After the initial astonishment, he immediately nodded with a smile, as if he was happy with what Zhang Qihang said.
Mr. Zhu didn't react at first, but the next moment, realizing what Zhang Qihang seemed to be implying, his eyes widened: "You mean..."
In Mr. Zhu's position, showing emotions and anger is the latest ability to control emotions, but at this moment, thinking of the meaning revealed in Zhang Qihang's words, Mr. Zhu still can't control his emotions.
Facing Mr. Zhu's shocked eyes, Zhang Qihang nodded with a smile: "The establishment of the Renault-Nissan-Mitsubishi engine alliance has given me a lot of inspiration. I think this kind of technical alliance is more suitable for the current situation of our country's automobile industry. It is a good thing for everyone to contribute money and effort, and share the technology developed...Of course, I just have such an idea now. I wonder if Mr. Zhu is interested?"
In fact, the Renault-Nissan-Mitsubishi engine alliance is not limited to these three companies. Later, Hyundai, Kia and even the Daimler Group also joined in one after another. The 2.0T turbocharged engines of Hyundai and Kia, the 4B11 series turbocharged engines of Mitsubishi, and the 1.3T turbocharged engine on the Mercedes-Benz GLB all use this engine alliance.
Mr. Zhu never expected that Zhang Qihang planned to build a Chinese version of the Renault-Nissan-Mitsubishi engine alliance. After being shocked, he was not surprised at all: Zhang Qihang is right, if this engine technology alliance can really be formed, everyone will contribute money and efforts, and the final developed technology will be jointly owned by everyone, which seems to be a very good idea.
But the heartbeat is the heartbeat, Mr. Zhu also understands that it is not so difficult for everyone to finally reach a cooperation!
The simplest reason is that each manufacturer has different levels of capital adequacy and technical level. In this case, how should the investment of each manufacturer be calculated?Just like the Huateng Group, they need money, technology and technology, and strength and strength. Where should they be in this technology alliance?
Boss?
You want to be the boss, but are other manufacturers willing?
On the other hand, if the investment ratio is the same, it is easy for some manufacturers, but it is not a small pressure for some manufacturers; this is only considering objective factors, and considering that each manufacturer has its own ideas, for example, some people are thinking about how to spend as little money as possible in this alliance and take advantage of it... In this case, how difficult is it to get everyone to think and work together?
So after pondering for a while, Mr. Zhu said: "Mr. Zhang, I understand what you mean, and I know that you really have good intentions, but if you want to promote this technology alliance and ensure the smooth completion of this technology alliance... I'm afraid the difficulty is not ordinary."
Zhang Qihang naturally knew what Mr. Zhu was talking about, and nodded with a smile: "I understand what you mean, this matter really can't be rushed, as for me, I just want to tell you what I mean first, and you and other comrades should also think about it. If you think this matter can be done, then let's talk slowly."
Hearing Zhang Qihang's words, Mr. Zhu felt relieved: You know that this kind of thing can't be rushed.
"That's right, this kind of thing really shouldn't be rushed..." Speaking of this, he paused slightly, and said with a smile: "Speaking of which, Mr. Zhang, do you really think this thing can be done?"
Regarding his own thoughts, Zhang Qihang did not hide his thoughts, and said frankly: "From the perspective of demand, market and even everyone's actual situation, there is room and necessity for the existence of such a technology alliance. I believe the leaders above are also happy to see the existence of such a technology alliance.
Of course, it is one thing for the market to need such a technology alliance, and there are many problems, but... take your time, after all, it is something that is beneficial to everyone. "
Mr. Zhu nodded with a smile: "It makes sense."
........................
As soon as the meeting ended, Mr. Feng quickly walked up to Zhang Qihang and whispered to him, "Xiao Zhang, what happened to the engine alliance you mentioned just now?"
"I'm sorry, old man," Zhang Qihang was a little embarrassed, but he still explained to old man Feng: "Actually, that was an idea that came to me just now."
"Um……"
Mr. Feng responded and motioned Zhang Qihang to continue.
"Just now, when we were chatting with Mr. Zhu, I suddenly thought of a question, that is, since Mitsubishi can sell engines, why can't we do the same? It's not like we don't have that technology, why should Fengtian Aerospace Mitsubishi make all the money?"
"Makes sense."
"However, I also understand that there is a big difference between us and Fengtian Aerospace Mitsubishi. First of all, we ourselves are OEMs," Zhang Qihang continued: "Faced with this situation, even if an established manufacturer like Chang'an intends to cooperate with us, they will wonder in their hearts: Will Huateng Motors stab us at a critical moment?"
"Well, indeed," Mr. Feng agreed with Zhang Qihang's words: "It doesn't matter how good our previous credit is, it has nothing to do with our past credit, it is purely an instinct to seek advantages and avoid disadvantages."
"Isn't that the case?" Zhang Qihang replied, "Different from the second-tier and third-tier companies we cooperated with before, they don't have the production capacity of engines, and they can only take a little risk when making decisions. However, established car companies like Chang'an have their own production capacity of engines. If we plan to cooperate with them in this regard, we have to find another way. If we want to simply imitate the Fengtian Aerospace Mitsubishi model, it will not work.
So I thought, since imitating Fengtian Aerospace Mitsubishi's model doesn't work, how about letting Chang An participate and become a part of it? "
Mr. Feng suddenly understood Zhang Qihang's meaning, and said excitedly: "The variant model of the Renault-Nissan-Mitsubishi engine alliance!"
"Yes, that's what it means," Zhang Qihang replied: "However, considering everyone's technical level, the engine alliance should still be dominated by us. It's just that how to operate this matter and whether it's really worth doing needs to be carefully considered... But one thing is certain."
"what?"
Mr. Feng didn't react for a while.
"There can't be too many 'shareholders', at least the number of 'founding shareholders' can't be too many," Zhang Qihang said meaningfully: "There are not many OEMs in our country who are easy to get along with. All of them are uncles, and the uncles are uncles. However, the relationship with foreign OEMs is intricate, and each of them still has [-] minds."
"Hehe..." Hearing what Zhang Qihang said was interesting, Mr. Feng laughed and couldn't help but joked: "Then do you regret doing this thing?"
"I haven't thought of it yet, but..."
Before Zhang Qihang finished speaking, his secretary quickly caught up and said to him in a low voice: "Mr. Zhang, just now Leader Tang's office called and asked you to come over as soon as possible. He said that Leader Tang and some other leaders wanted to ask you some questions about the American real estate market."
"..."
Zhang Qihang glanced at Mr. Feng.
Before Zhang Qihang could open his mouth, Mr. Feng immediately said: "Go quickly, leave this place to me."
Changan Automobile and Fengtian Aerospace Mitsubishi do not have much cooperation, but they have never suffered from Fengtian Aerospace Mitsubishi's "forced buying and strong selling", but they have not suffered losses. It does not mean that Mr. Zhu does not know what Fengtian Aerospace Mitsubishi does. To be honest, Fengtian Aerospace Mitsubishi's approach makes him look down on him, revealing a petty air of a villain who is getting rich.
Zhang Qihang also interrupted Mr. Zhu with a smile, and said: "Look at what you said, even now, you can see this day. When everyone has mastered our parallel shaft gearbox technology, who will look at their faces from Fengtian Mitsubishi?"
"Hehe..." Mr. Zhu said with a smile: "There is also the engine. The gearbox is just a piggyback, and the engine is their main business. Speaking of which, I remember that according to the cooperation agreement you signed with Hongda, it seems that your engine can only be used for your own use. You can neither sell the finished product nor transfer the technology to the outside world, right?"
At the beginning, Huateng Group signed a technology exchange agreement with Hongda, and exchanged its own parallel shaft gearbox technology for Hongda’s F-series engine technology. However, Hongda Automobile also restricted these technologies, only allowing Huateng Group to use them for themselves, and not selling finished products and technologies to the outside world. Few people in the domestic automobile industry did not know about this matter.
Zhang Qihang said with a smile: "We can't sell HTC F-series engines, nor can we sell related technologies, but we can sell products with our own technology."
Mr. Zhu was stunned for a moment, and said in surprise: "Do you have your own technology engine?"
"Look at what you said, have you forgotten the power system on our Fengya car?"
"Fengya? Oh..." Mr. Zhu remembered the power system that Zhang Qihang mentioned, and after nodding, he was a little surprised: "Then your engines are V6 and V8, and the starting displacement is 3.0. Those companies that need external engines, which one needs such a large displacement engine?"
This is true. At present, the most popular and widely used engine for passenger cars in China is the one with a displacement between 1.5 liters and 2.0 liters. The inline four-cylinder engine with a displacement of 2.4 liters can be regarded as the threshold of "large displacement".
Among the most popular mid-level cars at present, the models equipped with engines with a displacement of 3.0 or more are not for the sake of volume at all, but to show their own strength and remind the brand of its height. The hottest model this year: Guangfeng Camry, the top configuration is the power combination of 2.4 self-priming engine and 5AT.
In this way, the problem arises: Even the 2.4-liter self-priming engine has touched the threshold of large displacement. To whom does Huateng Group plan to sell the 3.0 V6 engine on Fengya Automobile?Who can afford it and use it?
"Mr. Zhu, you're overcomplicating things," Zhang Qihang shook his head and said, "You may not know that the two V6 engines on Fengya are actually 'cut' off two cylinders on the basis of the V8 engine. Now that the two V8 engines are 'cut' from the middle, they become two in-line four-cylinder engines with 2.0 and 2.4 displacements."
Speaking of this, Zhang Qihang said with a smile: "What do you think, after having these two engines, it can be matched with our parallel shaft gearbox? Is there a market?"
Mr. Zhu stopped talking, but pondered. The more he thought about it, the more he felt that Zhang Qihang's idea was indeed feasible. Although major domestic manufacturers have launched models equipped with 2.0 and even 2.4 engines, these engines are almost without exception purchased from Fengtian Aerospace Mitsubishi...
Ok?
Thinking of this, Mr. Zhu suddenly realized that he had overlooked a problem: he was almost fooled. What Zhang Qihang said was very good, but what does it have to do with his own Chang'an?
"Good……"
Mr. Zhu nodded, and then asked Zhang Qihang in half-doubt and half-jokingly: "Why? Mr. Zhang is going to sell this engine to us? We can't afford such a good engine in Chang'an."
Mr. Zhu's words are not just talking nonsense. The existing product line of Chang'an Automobile does not need such a large-displacement engine, not to mention the models under the joint venture brand, and Chang'an will not be given the opportunity to intervene in the engine supply at all.
Since there is no way to make a decision on the engine supply of the joint venture brand, we can only focus on Changan's own brand. However, Changan Automobile's existing independent models, except for the van, only have one Benben, but Benben is positioned as a mini car. How can it use such a large-displacement engine?
"How can you say that you can't use it?" Zhang Qihang said with a smile: "Could it be that our Chang'an Automobile is willing to keep producing vans? No way?"
Hearing Zhang Qihang's words, everyone in Chang'an stopped talking-what a joke, of course Chang'an Automobile is not satisfied with only producing vans.
The success of Benben has greatly encouraged the senior management of Changan, especially stimulated by the success of Huateng Group, the senior management of Changan intends to take advantage of the victory and decide to enter the field of compact cars. Even this project has been officially approved, which is the future Changan Yuexiang.
Mr. Zhu's face remained unchanged, he nodded and said: "Changan is definitely not satisfied with the current achievements."
"I think so too." Speaking of this, Zhang Qihang suddenly changed the subject, and asked Mr. Zhu with a smile: "Mr. Zhu, you should know the Renault-Nissan-Mitsubishi Engine Alliance, right?"
Mr. Feng was taken aback when he heard that: Engine Alliance?
It's no wonder that Mr. Feng was in a daze. In fact, Zhang Qihang had never told him about this before, but Mr. Feng's reaction was also very quick. After the initial astonishment, he immediately nodded with a smile, as if he was happy with what Zhang Qihang said.
Mr. Zhu didn't react at first, but the next moment, realizing what Zhang Qihang seemed to be implying, his eyes widened: "You mean..."
In Mr. Zhu's position, showing emotions and anger is the latest ability to control emotions, but at this moment, thinking of the meaning revealed in Zhang Qihang's words, Mr. Zhu still can't control his emotions.
Facing Mr. Zhu's shocked eyes, Zhang Qihang nodded with a smile: "The establishment of the Renault-Nissan-Mitsubishi engine alliance has given me a lot of inspiration. I think this kind of technical alliance is more suitable for the current situation of our country's automobile industry. It is a good thing for everyone to contribute money and effort, and share the technology developed...Of course, I just have such an idea now. I wonder if Mr. Zhu is interested?"
In fact, the Renault-Nissan-Mitsubishi engine alliance is not limited to these three companies. Later, Hyundai, Kia and even the Daimler Group also joined in one after another. The 2.0T turbocharged engines of Hyundai and Kia, the 4B11 series turbocharged engines of Mitsubishi, and the 1.3T turbocharged engine on the Mercedes-Benz GLB all use this engine alliance.
Mr. Zhu never expected that Zhang Qihang planned to build a Chinese version of the Renault-Nissan-Mitsubishi engine alliance. After being shocked, he was not surprised at all: Zhang Qihang is right, if this engine technology alliance can really be formed, everyone will contribute money and efforts, and the final developed technology will be jointly owned by everyone, which seems to be a very good idea.
But the heartbeat is the heartbeat, Mr. Zhu also understands that it is not so difficult for everyone to finally reach a cooperation!
The simplest reason is that each manufacturer has different levels of capital adequacy and technical level. In this case, how should the investment of each manufacturer be calculated?Just like the Huateng Group, they need money, technology and technology, and strength and strength. Where should they be in this technology alliance?
Boss?
You want to be the boss, but are other manufacturers willing?
On the other hand, if the investment ratio is the same, it is easy for some manufacturers, but it is not a small pressure for some manufacturers; this is only considering objective factors, and considering that each manufacturer has its own ideas, for example, some people are thinking about how to spend as little money as possible in this alliance and take advantage of it... In this case, how difficult is it to get everyone to think and work together?
So after pondering for a while, Mr. Zhu said: "Mr. Zhang, I understand what you mean, and I know that you really have good intentions, but if you want to promote this technology alliance and ensure the smooth completion of this technology alliance... I'm afraid the difficulty is not ordinary."
Zhang Qihang naturally knew what Mr. Zhu was talking about, and nodded with a smile: "I understand what you mean, this matter really can't be rushed, as for me, I just want to tell you what I mean first, and you and other comrades should also think about it. If you think this matter can be done, then let's talk slowly."
Hearing Zhang Qihang's words, Mr. Zhu felt relieved: You know that this kind of thing can't be rushed.
"That's right, this kind of thing really shouldn't be rushed..." Speaking of this, he paused slightly, and said with a smile: "Speaking of which, Mr. Zhang, do you really think this thing can be done?"
Regarding his own thoughts, Zhang Qihang did not hide his thoughts, and said frankly: "From the perspective of demand, market and even everyone's actual situation, there is room and necessity for the existence of such a technology alliance. I believe the leaders above are also happy to see the existence of such a technology alliance.
Of course, it is one thing for the market to need such a technology alliance, and there are many problems, but... take your time, after all, it is something that is beneficial to everyone. "
Mr. Zhu nodded with a smile: "It makes sense."
........................
As soon as the meeting ended, Mr. Feng quickly walked up to Zhang Qihang and whispered to him, "Xiao Zhang, what happened to the engine alliance you mentioned just now?"
"I'm sorry, old man," Zhang Qihang was a little embarrassed, but he still explained to old man Feng: "Actually, that was an idea that came to me just now."
"Um……"
Mr. Feng responded and motioned Zhang Qihang to continue.
"Just now, when we were chatting with Mr. Zhu, I suddenly thought of a question, that is, since Mitsubishi can sell engines, why can't we do the same? It's not like we don't have that technology, why should Fengtian Aerospace Mitsubishi make all the money?"
"Makes sense."
"However, I also understand that there is a big difference between us and Fengtian Aerospace Mitsubishi. First of all, we ourselves are OEMs," Zhang Qihang continued: "Faced with this situation, even if an established manufacturer like Chang'an intends to cooperate with us, they will wonder in their hearts: Will Huateng Motors stab us at a critical moment?"
"Well, indeed," Mr. Feng agreed with Zhang Qihang's words: "It doesn't matter how good our previous credit is, it has nothing to do with our past credit, it is purely an instinct to seek advantages and avoid disadvantages."
"Isn't that the case?" Zhang Qihang replied, "Different from the second-tier and third-tier companies we cooperated with before, they don't have the production capacity of engines, and they can only take a little risk when making decisions. However, established car companies like Chang'an have their own production capacity of engines. If we plan to cooperate with them in this regard, we have to find another way. If we want to simply imitate the Fengtian Aerospace Mitsubishi model, it will not work.
So I thought, since imitating Fengtian Aerospace Mitsubishi's model doesn't work, how about letting Chang An participate and become a part of it? "
Mr. Feng suddenly understood Zhang Qihang's meaning, and said excitedly: "The variant model of the Renault-Nissan-Mitsubishi engine alliance!"
"Yes, that's what it means," Zhang Qihang replied: "However, considering everyone's technical level, the engine alliance should still be dominated by us. It's just that how to operate this matter and whether it's really worth doing needs to be carefully considered... But one thing is certain."
"what?"
Mr. Feng didn't react for a while.
"There can't be too many 'shareholders', at least the number of 'founding shareholders' can't be too many," Zhang Qihang said meaningfully: "There are not many OEMs in our country who are easy to get along with. All of them are uncles, and the uncles are uncles. However, the relationship with foreign OEMs is intricate, and each of them still has [-] minds."
"Hehe..." Hearing what Zhang Qihang said was interesting, Mr. Feng laughed and couldn't help but joked: "Then do you regret doing this thing?"
"I haven't thought of it yet, but..."
Before Zhang Qihang finished speaking, his secretary quickly caught up and said to him in a low voice: "Mr. Zhang, just now Leader Tang's office called and asked you to come over as soon as possible. He said that Leader Tang and some other leaders wanted to ask you some questions about the American real estate market."
"..."
Zhang Qihang glanced at Mr. Feng.
Before Zhang Qihang could open his mouth, Mr. Feng immediately said: "Go quickly, leave this place to me."
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