rebirth of change
Chapter 2151 Don't be so naive
"Actually, if you change the angle, it might not be so difficult." Chen Kangjie said lightly after taking a sip of coffee.
"Another angle? What angle?" Ivan asked suspiciously.
"It's very simple. You just need to think seriously about who can be a threat to Russia. You may think that Japan will not be, especially in the political and military fields. You must think that Japan can be suppressed, right? ?”
After pondering for a while, Ivan said, "I don't deny that."
In fact, in Ivan's heart, if he compares China with Japan, he feels that China poses a greater threat and pressure to Russia.Because China is a truly big country, no matter it is population or area, no matter it is culture or potential, it is not comparable to Japan.Moreover, the exchanges between the two countries have not been smooth sailing. Even when they belonged to the communist camp, the entanglements and frictions between them continued.This is determined by the strategic positioning of the two major powers. No one wants to be a younger brother, no one wants to be dominated, and even at a certain stage, no one wants to be able to dominate the other.
Chen Kangjie refused to comment on Iwan's answer, and then asked another question: "What about the country behind Japan?"
This time Ivan's answer was not so straightforward, but he chose to remain silent for a long time.
"It is undeniable that that is our greatest threat and pressure. But with the end of the Cold War and our integration into the international market, some previously irreconcilable contradictions should be resolved." Ivan Ning said with an eyebrow.
"If you think so, then I'm afraid you will be disappointed. I can even say bluntly, Mr. Ivan, you are a little naive." Chen Kangjie shook his head and said.
Chen Kangjie's words were harsh and shocking, especially in front of such a strong man as Ivan.Immediately, Ivan's expression became unnatural, but Chen Kangjie didn't seem to see his reaction, but continued: "Don't think my words are unpleasant, because of this special relationship between you and me, I am You will know everything you say and be straightforward. Faithful words are harmful to the ear and good to action, and good medicine is good for the disease. If that is your serious judgment, then maybe you are about to make a very serious strategic mistake."
"Why do you see that? They have been asking and lobbying us to join the new international order, and even help us carry out relevant reforms." Ivan said in a daze.
"Do you believe that to be true? Do you think they are such good-hearted people? Do they want you to prosper? Would they like to see a strong Russia emerge? Don't be funny, this joke is not funny at all. If this is really your ultimate opinion, then I really have to worry about you." Chen Kangjie said disdainfully.
Ivan remained silent, but his expression looked very solemn.
Chen Kangjie glanced at Iwan sideways, and sneered with meaning on the corner of his mouth: "Mr. Iwan, think about it carefully, why are all countries with large oil reserves, and why the Middle East countries have become rich because of this, but you are guarding Jinshan and have nothing to eat? Why is this? That’s because people don’t want to see you turn your resources into wealth, and you don’t want you to become powerful because of it. Of course, if you just want to be an ordinary country, or even just want to be a country, they can call you whatever you want. If you call the country to go, then maybe they are willing to really help. But are you really willing? Take a step back and say, even if you are willing, but their minds will not believe it. "
"In the Western world, their thinking is special. To judge whether a country has ambitions, it is not whether the country and its people have the will, but whether the country has the strength. Just like us, our government is more than I once said that we will not seek hegemony, do not bully the weak, and will not expand externally. Our common people also agree in this way. Only then will they fight back. But even so, they are still worried, and they still suppress when they see the opportunity."
"I can say with certainty that the path you want to take will not work at all. When you let go of your guard, when you are willing to blend with them, then Russia's troubles will really come. As far as your current economic structure and economic capabilities are concerned It is very easy for developed countries to grasp the door. At that time, it may be difficult for you to withdraw even if you want to withdraw.”
"Back to the issue of the oil pipeline, you built it in Nakhodka just to hope to export to Japan and increase energy revenue. But if one day, there is friction or falling out between the United States and Russia, do you think Japan will still come from Nakhodka? Will you continue to transport oil away and give you large sums of money? Even if Japan is willing for its own national economic interests, can it be the master? At that time, once the two oil pipelines and natural gas pipelines in the east and west are blocked , you will be the turtles in the urn, and the time of starvation will come again. You may think that if the import of oil and gas from the hungry is interrupted, it will cause great loss and inconvenience to them. But don’t forget, they have a strong economic foundation to do so. Support, that's scabies to others, but to you, it's a serious problem. There are some prices they can afford, but honestly, you can't afford them. Leave you, others You can think of other ways to emergency, how about you? Are you staring?"
"Then what do you think we should do?" Ivan shrank his eyes and asked with two flashes of light.
"Of course it is in-depth cooperation with China. To be honest, we alone or you are not enough to compete with others. The best way is to join forces. We have a market and you have resources. Cooperating with us, Russia can obtain a stable market, which is of great significance to the development of Siberia. And we can obtain a stable energy supply, and we will never give up our own interests for the interests of others. You may want to make adjustments to the domestic economic structure, and this Everything needs funds and time. Without a stable supply of funds and at least ten years, it is impossible to accomplish what you want to do. I believe it is impossible for you or the expert think tank behind you to see clearly. Abandon it Let’s fantasize, the dream is full, but the reality is the backbone. If you want to revive the Russian nation, China is the biggest helping force. Other than that, there is no other choice.” Chen Kangjie’s words are very blunt, but every sentence is Pointing directly at the center and Ivan's weakness.
"Then should we rest assured about China? You don't want to take back the land in the Far East when you become strong?" Ivan asked with a sullen face.
"Do you think it can be recovered? Would we go back to the Stone Age with you for such a little land? Don't forget, you are a country with powerful nuclear attack capabilities. Besides, in our country, at least one hundred people There are 99 people who don't think about that bitter cold place anymore. Who can do things without the basis of public opinion?"
It was because of Chen Kangjie's status that if he were a government official, he would never be able to say such things, and even if he thought so in his heart, he would keep his mouth shut.
Chen Kangjie didn't have so many scruples, he could say whatever he wanted, and he wasn't worried that those words would spread.
But what Chen Kangjie said was not entirely what was in his heart.Or 99 out of [-] people in China no longer think about that land.And Chen Kangjie was just the one left.It's just that for the sake of the current interests, that temporary unrealistic idea will be thrown away.
If Chen Kangjie made a breakthrough from Iwan, he must also feed back the content to the higher-ups after he returned, at least Zhao Zhibang and Wei Zhonghua would relay it.After all, in the end, no matter which aspect it is, it still depends on the government to participate in the implementation. Without the intervention of the government, Chen Kangjie alone cannot achieve much.
"Then what is your suggestion? Do you want to continue to complete the oil pipeline you proposed before?" Ivan stood up from the chair, walked to the side to get a glass of vodka, took a sip, turned and looked at Chen Kangjie and asked.
Chen Kangjie did not answer right away, but looked at Ivan for 30 seconds, as if he wanted to see his true thoughts from Ivan's face, but Chen Kangjie was a little disappointed. At this time, Ivan was as calm as water, and he could even bring out Smile.
"The oil pipeline proposed before, of course, must continue and be completed as soon as possible. I don't care whether you have difficulties or not, you must solve it. The further you go, the more stable your position will be. If so If you still can't figure it out, then you are really sorry for me. You have to know that if the oil cannot be shipped out, my investment will be in vain." Chen Kangjie's tone was not only blunt, but also had a strong taste.
The reason why Chen Kangjie wanted to do this was because it was the reward he deserved for his previous efforts. Even if he was a little tougher, Ivan would not be able to say anything.After all, it was time for Chen Kangjie to help, so there was nothing to turn around.
"In addition, I have two suggestions. The first one is that I don't want a route to Nakhodka. The second suggestion is that if possible, we can re-open a natural gas pipeline from Central Asia." Since these two items are new additions, Chen Kangjie naturally put forward a mild tone of suggestion.
"In the direction of Novosibirsk, it seems that you have not invested in natural gas resources." Ivan said with something in his words.
The reason why it was easy for the two people to reach a consensus on the eastern oil pipeline was that in that direction, Chen Kangjie had invested in oil fields, and he was transporting the oil he had mined, so there was no big negotiation on the price.Negotiating prices with each other is a long process. Every dollar that is handed over will add up to a huge number.However, Chen Kangjie did not invest in natural gas resources in the central and southern regions of Russia, which are rich in natural gas, so it would be a long tug of war just to determine the price. It is not surprising that one year, two years, or even ten years or eight years.
"Another angle? What angle?" Ivan asked suspiciously.
"It's very simple. You just need to think seriously about who can be a threat to Russia. You may think that Japan will not be, especially in the political and military fields. You must think that Japan can be suppressed, right? ?”
After pondering for a while, Ivan said, "I don't deny that."
In fact, in Ivan's heart, if he compares China with Japan, he feels that China poses a greater threat and pressure to Russia.Because China is a truly big country, no matter it is population or area, no matter it is culture or potential, it is not comparable to Japan.Moreover, the exchanges between the two countries have not been smooth sailing. Even when they belonged to the communist camp, the entanglements and frictions between them continued.This is determined by the strategic positioning of the two major powers. No one wants to be a younger brother, no one wants to be dominated, and even at a certain stage, no one wants to be able to dominate the other.
Chen Kangjie refused to comment on Iwan's answer, and then asked another question: "What about the country behind Japan?"
This time Ivan's answer was not so straightforward, but he chose to remain silent for a long time.
"It is undeniable that that is our greatest threat and pressure. But with the end of the Cold War and our integration into the international market, some previously irreconcilable contradictions should be resolved." Ivan Ning said with an eyebrow.
"If you think so, then I'm afraid you will be disappointed. I can even say bluntly, Mr. Ivan, you are a little naive." Chen Kangjie shook his head and said.
Chen Kangjie's words were harsh and shocking, especially in front of such a strong man as Ivan.Immediately, Ivan's expression became unnatural, but Chen Kangjie didn't seem to see his reaction, but continued: "Don't think my words are unpleasant, because of this special relationship between you and me, I am You will know everything you say and be straightforward. Faithful words are harmful to the ear and good to action, and good medicine is good for the disease. If that is your serious judgment, then maybe you are about to make a very serious strategic mistake."
"Why do you see that? They have been asking and lobbying us to join the new international order, and even help us carry out relevant reforms." Ivan said in a daze.
"Do you believe that to be true? Do you think they are such good-hearted people? Do they want you to prosper? Would they like to see a strong Russia emerge? Don't be funny, this joke is not funny at all. If this is really your ultimate opinion, then I really have to worry about you." Chen Kangjie said disdainfully.
Ivan remained silent, but his expression looked very solemn.
Chen Kangjie glanced at Iwan sideways, and sneered with meaning on the corner of his mouth: "Mr. Iwan, think about it carefully, why are all countries with large oil reserves, and why the Middle East countries have become rich because of this, but you are guarding Jinshan and have nothing to eat? Why is this? That’s because people don’t want to see you turn your resources into wealth, and you don’t want you to become powerful because of it. Of course, if you just want to be an ordinary country, or even just want to be a country, they can call you whatever you want. If you call the country to go, then maybe they are willing to really help. But are you really willing? Take a step back and say, even if you are willing, but their minds will not believe it. "
"In the Western world, their thinking is special. To judge whether a country has ambitions, it is not whether the country and its people have the will, but whether the country has the strength. Just like us, our government is more than I once said that we will not seek hegemony, do not bully the weak, and will not expand externally. Our common people also agree in this way. Only then will they fight back. But even so, they are still worried, and they still suppress when they see the opportunity."
"I can say with certainty that the path you want to take will not work at all. When you let go of your guard, when you are willing to blend with them, then Russia's troubles will really come. As far as your current economic structure and economic capabilities are concerned It is very easy for developed countries to grasp the door. At that time, it may be difficult for you to withdraw even if you want to withdraw.”
"Back to the issue of the oil pipeline, you built it in Nakhodka just to hope to export to Japan and increase energy revenue. But if one day, there is friction or falling out between the United States and Russia, do you think Japan will still come from Nakhodka? Will you continue to transport oil away and give you large sums of money? Even if Japan is willing for its own national economic interests, can it be the master? At that time, once the two oil pipelines and natural gas pipelines in the east and west are blocked , you will be the turtles in the urn, and the time of starvation will come again. You may think that if the import of oil and gas from the hungry is interrupted, it will cause great loss and inconvenience to them. But don’t forget, they have a strong economic foundation to do so. Support, that's scabies to others, but to you, it's a serious problem. There are some prices they can afford, but honestly, you can't afford them. Leave you, others You can think of other ways to emergency, how about you? Are you staring?"
"Then what do you think we should do?" Ivan shrank his eyes and asked with two flashes of light.
"Of course it is in-depth cooperation with China. To be honest, we alone or you are not enough to compete with others. The best way is to join forces. We have a market and you have resources. Cooperating with us, Russia can obtain a stable market, which is of great significance to the development of Siberia. And we can obtain a stable energy supply, and we will never give up our own interests for the interests of others. You may want to make adjustments to the domestic economic structure, and this Everything needs funds and time. Without a stable supply of funds and at least ten years, it is impossible to accomplish what you want to do. I believe it is impossible for you or the expert think tank behind you to see clearly. Abandon it Let’s fantasize, the dream is full, but the reality is the backbone. If you want to revive the Russian nation, China is the biggest helping force. Other than that, there is no other choice.” Chen Kangjie’s words are very blunt, but every sentence is Pointing directly at the center and Ivan's weakness.
"Then should we rest assured about China? You don't want to take back the land in the Far East when you become strong?" Ivan asked with a sullen face.
"Do you think it can be recovered? Would we go back to the Stone Age with you for such a little land? Don't forget, you are a country with powerful nuclear attack capabilities. Besides, in our country, at least one hundred people There are 99 people who don't think about that bitter cold place anymore. Who can do things without the basis of public opinion?"
It was because of Chen Kangjie's status that if he were a government official, he would never be able to say such things, and even if he thought so in his heart, he would keep his mouth shut.
Chen Kangjie didn't have so many scruples, he could say whatever he wanted, and he wasn't worried that those words would spread.
But what Chen Kangjie said was not entirely what was in his heart.Or 99 out of [-] people in China no longer think about that land.And Chen Kangjie was just the one left.It's just that for the sake of the current interests, that temporary unrealistic idea will be thrown away.
If Chen Kangjie made a breakthrough from Iwan, he must also feed back the content to the higher-ups after he returned, at least Zhao Zhibang and Wei Zhonghua would relay it.After all, in the end, no matter which aspect it is, it still depends on the government to participate in the implementation. Without the intervention of the government, Chen Kangjie alone cannot achieve much.
"Then what is your suggestion? Do you want to continue to complete the oil pipeline you proposed before?" Ivan stood up from the chair, walked to the side to get a glass of vodka, took a sip, turned and looked at Chen Kangjie and asked.
Chen Kangjie did not answer right away, but looked at Ivan for 30 seconds, as if he wanted to see his true thoughts from Ivan's face, but Chen Kangjie was a little disappointed. At this time, Ivan was as calm as water, and he could even bring out Smile.
"The oil pipeline proposed before, of course, must continue and be completed as soon as possible. I don't care whether you have difficulties or not, you must solve it. The further you go, the more stable your position will be. If so If you still can't figure it out, then you are really sorry for me. You have to know that if the oil cannot be shipped out, my investment will be in vain." Chen Kangjie's tone was not only blunt, but also had a strong taste.
The reason why Chen Kangjie wanted to do this was because it was the reward he deserved for his previous efforts. Even if he was a little tougher, Ivan would not be able to say anything.After all, it was time for Chen Kangjie to help, so there was nothing to turn around.
"In addition, I have two suggestions. The first one is that I don't want a route to Nakhodka. The second suggestion is that if possible, we can re-open a natural gas pipeline from Central Asia." Since these two items are new additions, Chen Kangjie naturally put forward a mild tone of suggestion.
"In the direction of Novosibirsk, it seems that you have not invested in natural gas resources." Ivan said with something in his words.
The reason why it was easy for the two people to reach a consensus on the eastern oil pipeline was that in that direction, Chen Kangjie had invested in oil fields, and he was transporting the oil he had mined, so there was no big negotiation on the price.Negotiating prices with each other is a long process. Every dollar that is handed over will add up to a huge number.However, Chen Kangjie did not invest in natural gas resources in the central and southern regions of Russia, which are rich in natural gas, so it would be a long tug of war just to determine the price. It is not surprising that one year, two years, or even ten years or eight years.
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