Since the Accounting: A Chronicle of the Roman Khanate
Chapter 346 Nurhachi is a Korean
Chapter 346 Nurhachi is a Korean
This idea is to admit that he is a Yidi, but to show that Yidi is also a human being and should not be treated differently, that is, to strip away the derogatory meaning of Yidi.And asking others not to belittle Yidi, of course he has to do the same, so Yongzheng also specifically said that in the future, everyone can use the word Yidi casually without taboo.
The problem is that the Qing court has always been very taboo about these titles.People say a related word, they can't stand it.In this way, it is tantamount to admitting that Yi Di is a curse.
Similarly, people at the time believed that the process of the Qing Dynasty winning the world was very brutal, and had nothing to do with virtue, but an act of beasts.Yongzheng tried to defend himself, but he could not explain the various actions of the Qing Dynasty.Not only that, but Yongzheng himself was particularly keen on debating scriptures with others, never giving up even if he couldn't be cleared up, discussing loudly with people every day whether his ancestors were beasts...
After such a toss, it's better not to talk about it.
Moreover, relatively speaking, these are not fundamental problems: although they are not easy to explain, they are essentially the fault caused by specific actions.In addition to this, this theory has a fundamental flaw.
The Qing Dynasty was first of all a hereditary dynasty, and in the East, all dynasties had to face a problem: they had to prove at the same time that it was reasonable to start a new dynasty by themselves; it was unreasonable for others to start a new dynasty now.This is actually a self-contradictory question, and even the Han Dynasty could not explain it well at the beginning.
The interpretation method of the Ming Dynasty borrowed "expulsion of the Tartars" as a reason. Zhu Yuanzhang had this righteous title at the time, but those who opposed the Ming Dynasty did not necessarily have it.Thus, this distinction is cleverly used to answer the paradoxical question of legitimacy.
This is why it is so important whether Zhu Yuanzhang accepted the Yuan Dynasty Zhao'an.Normally, this shouldn't be a big problem, but under this legal discussion, it matters.
Not only did the Qing Dynasty not have such conditions to take advantage of, but on the contrary, it was attacked as a barbarian.It must explain more seriously that it was not rebelling as a traitor and traitor, otherwise everyone will have to learn from it.
Therefore, the dynasties of all dynasties have almost always belittled other rebels of the same period, which is also part of the discussion of legitimacy.Although it seems to turn his face and deny people, but in order to cater to the tradition and win the support of scholar-bureaucrats, he can't do otherwise.
For example, the Ming Dynasty accused the Red Turban Army of being "thieves" in the official "Yuan History".Moreover, because the compilation was too hasty and there was no careful review, sometimes the Red Turban Army where Zhu Yuanzhang belonged was also called a thief...
Some people also believe that this was caused by the literati's dissatisfaction with Zhu Yuanzhang at that time.No matter how much he expresses his position, everyone still thinks he is a thief.As for whether it was intentional or not careful, there is no way to verify it.
The only exception is probably the Han Dynasty.According to Liu Bang's order, the Western Han Dynasty officials have always recognized and sacrificed to Chen Sheng.Because the Han Dynasty won the world, in the eyes of the people at that time, it was actually a "war for hegemony", which was the same thing as Qin's destruction of the six kingdoms.Liu Bang proclaimed himself emperor, theoretically also from the election of the princes.
And the unification war did not end, and it did not come to an end until the period of Emperor Jing of the Han Dynasty.The long war and strong strength gave the Han Dynasty sufficient legitimacy.As a dynasty that truly unifies the world, it does not need to care about these issues.Confucian scholars in the Han Dynasty even often discussed the issue of revolution and change of dynasty, so that it became a prominent school.Later dynasties generally lacked such confidence.
How did the Qing Dynasty solve this problem?Judging from the results, there is no solution.
Starting from the Han Dynasty, the legitimacy of successive dynasties has been that one crop is not as good as one crop.By the Song Dynasty, it had basically disappeared.
In essence, the Yuan Dynasty started from scratch, abandoning the names of the vassal states since the Western Zhou Dynasty, and the corresponding legal system that originated in one place and unified the Xia Dynasty, and regarded "I am the biggest, I am the most legal" as a legal theory.The Ming Dynasty used the reason of expelling the Mongols and successfully continued it again.By the time the Qing Dynasty took over, the reasons that could be found had basically been exhausted.
According to the usual practice, the Qing Dynasty accused Li Zicheng and others of being "thieves", but unlike other dynasties, it could not use this to declare the difference between itself and other "thieves" and emphasize its own legitimacy.
If Yongzheng's idea can be implemented, it will indeed help to bridge the conflict between Manchu and Han, but at the same time, not only will it not help to establish the legitimacy of the dynasty, it will even be an act of digging one's own roots.
One of the most important foundations of the territory and ruling philosophy of the Central Plains dynasty is the view of the world, and this cannot be abandoned.Acknowledging that the Manchus are a regional group, claiming that there is no difference between the Han and Manchus, there is no problem just looking at it, but it is troublesome when combined with the view of the world.
Because according to this theory, the Manchurians were obviously part of the "people of the world" back then, and should have been under the jurisprudence of the emperor of the Ming Dynasty at that time.Therefore, the Manchurian uprising against the Ming Dynasty was undoubtedly a more serious act of rebellion than the uprisings of the lower classes such as Li Zicheng and Zhang Xianzhong.
It is okay to say that Li Zicheng is a bandit, but in this way he is a giant bandit...
Therefore, "the Huayi family", "the world", and "the legitimacy of the hereditary dynasty", these three points can only be two forever.
Almost all the various attempts of the Qing Dynasty hit a wall here.For example, later, Qianlong also specially ordered the compilation of "The Biography of Two Officials" to cut off from the officials of the Ming Dynasty who surrendered to the Qing Dynasty, hoping to further distance themselves from the "thieves" and improve the legitimacy of their dynasty.
However, this traditional method is still difficult to be effective.Because of applying the "view of the world", it is not difficult to find that the biggest second minister in the late Ming Dynasty was General Longhu of Jianzhou Wei, and the rest of these people were just his minions.The more publicity this gets, the more troublesome it becomes...
After a series of failed attempts, the Qing Dynasty's discussion of legality has basically been in a flat state.
It was only two months after Yongzheng's death, and before he had time to change the Yuan Dynasty, Qianlong urgently banned his propaganda books, and his attempts to promote Mandarin and restrict bannermen with severe punishments were also abolished.After that, everyone can only keep repeating the words about the morality of the monarch and ministers, and can no longer make meaningful innovations.
Even so, the negative effects are not easy to eliminate.
People accused him of "the barbarians stole the throne of heaven and polluted China, just like robbers who robbed a family's property, then drove my master out and occupied my house." Yongzheng found this accusation very powerful and the main point of contention, so he put it I copied it directly from the "Forbidden Book" and announced to the whole world: "Now someone accuses me of 'Yidi stealing the throne, polluting China, etc.', I don't think so..."
In short, when Yongzheng wrote the book, he was too honest, and when he refuted others, he had to quote the original text of the other party's literature... In this way, it is equivalent to the problem that was analyzed, and everyone knew it.
In this case, Qianlong could only try his best to patch up.Regarding the most dangerous issue of "General Dragon and Tiger's rebellion", he also started from "the world" and tried his best to prove that the ancestors of his family were not within the rule of the Ming Dynasty.
For this reason, Qianlong specially researched the origin of Manchuria, and tried his best to drag the origin of the ancestors to places far away from the Central Plains.In the end, he finally came to the conclusion that the Aixinjueluo family came from Sanhan.
This result is also very shocking in a sense.However, it finally avoided the more embarrassing problem of "leading the rebellion" for the hereditary dynasty.
Although the price was to come up with a "Nurhachi is a Korean" type of violent theory, but it was finally rounded up, and it was worth it...
(End of this chapter)
This idea is to admit that he is a Yidi, but to show that Yidi is also a human being and should not be treated differently, that is, to strip away the derogatory meaning of Yidi.And asking others not to belittle Yidi, of course he has to do the same, so Yongzheng also specifically said that in the future, everyone can use the word Yidi casually without taboo.
The problem is that the Qing court has always been very taboo about these titles.People say a related word, they can't stand it.In this way, it is tantamount to admitting that Yi Di is a curse.
Similarly, people at the time believed that the process of the Qing Dynasty winning the world was very brutal, and had nothing to do with virtue, but an act of beasts.Yongzheng tried to defend himself, but he could not explain the various actions of the Qing Dynasty.Not only that, but Yongzheng himself was particularly keen on debating scriptures with others, never giving up even if he couldn't be cleared up, discussing loudly with people every day whether his ancestors were beasts...
After such a toss, it's better not to talk about it.
Moreover, relatively speaking, these are not fundamental problems: although they are not easy to explain, they are essentially the fault caused by specific actions.In addition to this, this theory has a fundamental flaw.
The Qing Dynasty was first of all a hereditary dynasty, and in the East, all dynasties had to face a problem: they had to prove at the same time that it was reasonable to start a new dynasty by themselves; it was unreasonable for others to start a new dynasty now.This is actually a self-contradictory question, and even the Han Dynasty could not explain it well at the beginning.
The interpretation method of the Ming Dynasty borrowed "expulsion of the Tartars" as a reason. Zhu Yuanzhang had this righteous title at the time, but those who opposed the Ming Dynasty did not necessarily have it.Thus, this distinction is cleverly used to answer the paradoxical question of legitimacy.
This is why it is so important whether Zhu Yuanzhang accepted the Yuan Dynasty Zhao'an.Normally, this shouldn't be a big problem, but under this legal discussion, it matters.
Not only did the Qing Dynasty not have such conditions to take advantage of, but on the contrary, it was attacked as a barbarian.It must explain more seriously that it was not rebelling as a traitor and traitor, otherwise everyone will have to learn from it.
Therefore, the dynasties of all dynasties have almost always belittled other rebels of the same period, which is also part of the discussion of legitimacy.Although it seems to turn his face and deny people, but in order to cater to the tradition and win the support of scholar-bureaucrats, he can't do otherwise.
For example, the Ming Dynasty accused the Red Turban Army of being "thieves" in the official "Yuan History".Moreover, because the compilation was too hasty and there was no careful review, sometimes the Red Turban Army where Zhu Yuanzhang belonged was also called a thief...
Some people also believe that this was caused by the literati's dissatisfaction with Zhu Yuanzhang at that time.No matter how much he expresses his position, everyone still thinks he is a thief.As for whether it was intentional or not careful, there is no way to verify it.
The only exception is probably the Han Dynasty.According to Liu Bang's order, the Western Han Dynasty officials have always recognized and sacrificed to Chen Sheng.Because the Han Dynasty won the world, in the eyes of the people at that time, it was actually a "war for hegemony", which was the same thing as Qin's destruction of the six kingdoms.Liu Bang proclaimed himself emperor, theoretically also from the election of the princes.
And the unification war did not end, and it did not come to an end until the period of Emperor Jing of the Han Dynasty.The long war and strong strength gave the Han Dynasty sufficient legitimacy.As a dynasty that truly unifies the world, it does not need to care about these issues.Confucian scholars in the Han Dynasty even often discussed the issue of revolution and change of dynasty, so that it became a prominent school.Later dynasties generally lacked such confidence.
How did the Qing Dynasty solve this problem?Judging from the results, there is no solution.
Starting from the Han Dynasty, the legitimacy of successive dynasties has been that one crop is not as good as one crop.By the Song Dynasty, it had basically disappeared.
In essence, the Yuan Dynasty started from scratch, abandoning the names of the vassal states since the Western Zhou Dynasty, and the corresponding legal system that originated in one place and unified the Xia Dynasty, and regarded "I am the biggest, I am the most legal" as a legal theory.The Ming Dynasty used the reason of expelling the Mongols and successfully continued it again.By the time the Qing Dynasty took over, the reasons that could be found had basically been exhausted.
According to the usual practice, the Qing Dynasty accused Li Zicheng and others of being "thieves", but unlike other dynasties, it could not use this to declare the difference between itself and other "thieves" and emphasize its own legitimacy.
If Yongzheng's idea can be implemented, it will indeed help to bridge the conflict between Manchu and Han, but at the same time, not only will it not help to establish the legitimacy of the dynasty, it will even be an act of digging one's own roots.
One of the most important foundations of the territory and ruling philosophy of the Central Plains dynasty is the view of the world, and this cannot be abandoned.Acknowledging that the Manchus are a regional group, claiming that there is no difference between the Han and Manchus, there is no problem just looking at it, but it is troublesome when combined with the view of the world.
Because according to this theory, the Manchurians were obviously part of the "people of the world" back then, and should have been under the jurisprudence of the emperor of the Ming Dynasty at that time.Therefore, the Manchurian uprising against the Ming Dynasty was undoubtedly a more serious act of rebellion than the uprisings of the lower classes such as Li Zicheng and Zhang Xianzhong.
It is okay to say that Li Zicheng is a bandit, but in this way he is a giant bandit...
Therefore, "the Huayi family", "the world", and "the legitimacy of the hereditary dynasty", these three points can only be two forever.
Almost all the various attempts of the Qing Dynasty hit a wall here.For example, later, Qianlong also specially ordered the compilation of "The Biography of Two Officials" to cut off from the officials of the Ming Dynasty who surrendered to the Qing Dynasty, hoping to further distance themselves from the "thieves" and improve the legitimacy of their dynasty.
However, this traditional method is still difficult to be effective.Because of applying the "view of the world", it is not difficult to find that the biggest second minister in the late Ming Dynasty was General Longhu of Jianzhou Wei, and the rest of these people were just his minions.The more publicity this gets, the more troublesome it becomes...
After a series of failed attempts, the Qing Dynasty's discussion of legality has basically been in a flat state.
It was only two months after Yongzheng's death, and before he had time to change the Yuan Dynasty, Qianlong urgently banned his propaganda books, and his attempts to promote Mandarin and restrict bannermen with severe punishments were also abolished.After that, everyone can only keep repeating the words about the morality of the monarch and ministers, and can no longer make meaningful innovations.
Even so, the negative effects are not easy to eliminate.
People accused him of "the barbarians stole the throne of heaven and polluted China, just like robbers who robbed a family's property, then drove my master out and occupied my house." Yongzheng found this accusation very powerful and the main point of contention, so he put it I copied it directly from the "Forbidden Book" and announced to the whole world: "Now someone accuses me of 'Yidi stealing the throne, polluting China, etc.', I don't think so..."
In short, when Yongzheng wrote the book, he was too honest, and when he refuted others, he had to quote the original text of the other party's literature... In this way, it is equivalent to the problem that was analyzed, and everyone knew it.
In this case, Qianlong could only try his best to patch up.Regarding the most dangerous issue of "General Dragon and Tiger's rebellion", he also started from "the world" and tried his best to prove that the ancestors of his family were not within the rule of the Ming Dynasty.
For this reason, Qianlong specially researched the origin of Manchuria, and tried his best to drag the origin of the ancestors to places far away from the Central Plains.In the end, he finally came to the conclusion that the Aixinjueluo family came from Sanhan.
This result is also very shocking in a sense.However, it finally avoided the more embarrassing problem of "leading the rebellion" for the hereditary dynasty.
Although the price was to come up with a "Nurhachi is a Korean" type of violent theory, but it was finally rounded up, and it was worth it...
(End of this chapter)
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