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964 Don't fool us with obsolete engines
"President Jiang is right. We are not planning to export our arj-21 aircraft. The Chinese market alone is enough for us to recover the cost of research and development. Vertex Fiction. Obtaining the US airworthiness certificate is very important for our regional aircraft. It’s not very useful…” Yun Fei said with a smile, he was telling the other party, don’t think of us as those officials in the Chinese system who came out to eat, drink and have fun.
It's not that he didn't want to export, but that China had no chance to export at all in the first place.
China as a whole is still very backward in terms of these top-level manufacturing capabilities.What's more, these airlines in Europe and the United States will not trust the planes from China at all. Once something happens, the entire airline will probably go bankrupt.
The largest export market for regional airliners produced in China should be Central Asia, West Asia, Africa, and South America, which are economically underdeveloped places in the world.After all, when these countries purchase aircraft, as long as they have good performance and are safe and secure, there is no problem with whether they have European or American airworthiness certificates.
Didn't you see that in China, Jiuyi Airlines has used Il-76 military transport aircraft to transform into civil aviation airliners and has been flying in China for many years?
"What's more, I think everyone here knows better than anyone how McDonnell Douglas went bankrupt and how it was acquired by Boeing. Mr. Blacker, if you really want to enter the Chinese market and facilitate such a cooperation agreement, you should Don't use these to fool us. The Chinese started late in the aviation industry and have poor technology, but this does not mean that we will always be poor. If it is not good, invest tens of billions of funds, it will not work in 20 years, and the head office will take 50 years. I’m only 25 now, so it’s okay to live to 75 years old? I don’t believe it, we Chinese can’t develop a civilian engine in 50 years!” Yun Fei said lightly.
This kind of thing must put some pressure on the other party.
The Chinese are not easy to fool.
These guys may think that Chinese people don't know much about the international market, or they may think that Chinese people are the same as those guys in their physique.I am afraid that others will not sell things to China. As long as they sell, no matter what, no matter how backward it is, they will have to pay a lot of money to buy it back.
Just like the steel production equipment imported from Japan, the production equipment produced in the 70s and [-]s actually has a huge market in China. The major state-owned factories and private companies rushed to buy them, and the prices they offered were even higher than the new prices.
Why is that?
First.No one in this world will sell the latest equipment and technology to the Chinese.
Second, Chinese people generally have a mentality that it is better to buy something by yourself, and it is better to rent something than to buy it yourself.No one is willing to invest in technology development. After all, this investment is huge and there are great risks.
This kind of Chinese normality has made China the largest second-hand equipment market in the world. The Chinese are bearing the cost of developing new technologies for foreigners, because those guys are old The outdated equipment is sold directly to China...
When Pratt & Whitney treats Yunfei like this.This made Yun Fei very upset.
He is not one of those Chinese who is unwilling to engage in technology development.
"Mr. Yun, this makes you laugh. The jt8d-200 is not a commercial aircraft engine model that is about to be eliminated. Since the 80s, we have been continuously investing in upgrading this engine. It is indeed a high-efficiency, energy-saving, An environmentally friendly engine, especially if the thrust range is within the range you require, the price is also the most suitable, and there is not much research and development cost in it..." Mason Hand said to Yunfei and his party with a smile on his face.
on this engine.They did improve a lot, but with McDonnell Douglas going bankrupt due to numerous aircraft accidents, not many airlines wanted to use their engines.Chinese.Just in time for them.
It is absolutely possible to make this engine with excellent performance more market profits in China, which has many markets!
"Mr. Hand, do you think the price is a problem for us?" Jiang Jianxing said with a smile.
Everyone knows that when the Chinese buy these high-tech technical equipment, even if they are so poor that they don’t have to wear underwear, they will grit their teeth and buy advanced technical equipment, just to make people cheat once. Otherwise, these equipment Too far behind, the equipment will have to be updated again in a few days, no one can afford such a cost...
"The Chinese are indeed not short of money, but we only have this kind of short-range aircraft. At present, we don't have other production models of short-range engines for you to choose from..." Blacker really didn't expect that the young man he thought he knew , One sentence brought the negotiation to such an extent.
I thought that even if these guys don't look like the purchasing groups formed by those state-owned units and competent departments, they won't enter the substantive stage now.
And this young man seemed more eager than he was, and seemed even more indifferent than him.
Do not sell?If we don't sell it, we can do it ourselves, no matter how much time we have, we have to do it ourselves!
In China, as long as powerful people make up their minds, there will never be a shortage of technological achievements.After all, the patterns developed within the system and the behavior of those bureaucrats cannot be changed in a short time.And no one can tell how much this young private boss in front of him has played in China's technology industry.
China's electronics industry is not good, but this young man has the most top-level communication technology and personal computer technology in his hands.
Even more because of the appearance of this young man, many electronic parts and components purchased by the Chinese military equipment for civilian use in the world have begun to stop purchasing. What to develop, but now they don't even know what research the Chinese are doing.
China's military is the most mysterious department in the world. It looks like rubbish on the surface, but in fact it has countless world-class equipment.Many people are looking forward to the [-]th anniversary of the founding of the Chinese National Day military parade.
As for aircraft engines, although there is a big difference between civilian and military use, they are common in many things.
The most advanced engine is definitely impossible to sell to the Chinese.
If the Chinese are purchasing a high-thrust mainline airliner engine this time, it is definitely not a possibility. Even if Blackell wants to sell it to the Chinese, he has to consider the consequences.To sell the top engine is to sell the national interests of the United States to the Chinese.
"Mr. Blacker, is your company really gone? As far as I know, Pratt & Whitney has been developing engine technology for a new generation of short-range airliners since last year. In order to compete with GM and Rolls-Royce in this market, this model is called What is it?" Yun Kai said to Blacker with a smile on his face, but when he asked about the model, he asked about Ma Fengshan who was on the side.
"Pw6000, sample production has already started last year, using a gear-driven turbine engine. It has low noise and low fuel consumption. This is currently the world's best short-range airliner engine, and it can handle frequent take-offs and landings between cities... "Ma Fengshan doesn't know where this monster boss, Yun Fei, got the information.
If the parameters mentioned by Yun Fei are true, then it would not be in vain for him to say these things without any investigation at all under such circumstances.
But during the negotiation process, he didn't care about the rigorous or not rigorous issues. After all, it is very likely that a single sentence will cost tens of millions or even hundreds of millions of dollars.He is good at technology, but in business negotiations, Yun Fei and Jiang Jianxing are far more suitable than him.
Jiang Jianxing has accumulated experience in long-term negotiations, while Yun Fei relies on information he has obtained from others for more than ten years to psychologically destroy other people's defenses.
In the past, he only frightened the guys in the system at home, but now, he has started to frighten the most powerful Americans internationally.
Hearing Ma Fengshan's words, the faces of Blacker, Hand, Catherine and others all became ugly.
This is the core strategy of their company. At the same time, since the establishment of the project in 96 (it should have been in 98, the prototype was produced in 03, and it entered service in 05), they have never disclosed the slightest news to the outside world. Department of Defense...
The Chinese actually know the news now.
"If we provide some of the parameters we know to the aero-engine research center under the Ukrainian Miyanov Design Bureau, I don't know if they have been poached by the United States and Europe. The nickel-based light alloy engine of the material..." Yun Fei said with a smile on his face.
The Miyanov Design Bureau is like a thorn in the side and a thorn in the flesh of European and American countries. No matter how it is suppressed, it can survive tenaciously like Xiaoqiang. Many of the old Maozi's strategic aircraft are produced by this design bureau.
"Mr. Yun, this engine has not yet completed the experiment, and this is a military model, not a civilian aircraft model..." Hearing Yun Fei's words, the faces of Pratt & Whitney became even more difficult.
Among the people involved in this project, there are Chinese spies!
You know, for the sake of confidentiality, no Chinese participated in this project at all, and it is even more impossible for the Ministry of National Defense to leak information.
"Really? As far as I know, this is not a military model, but a civilian engine, or a short-range engine. The thrust range is 18000--24000 pounds, and the fuel consumption is lower than the current short-range engine models on the market. One third..." There are some things that Yun Fei knows very clearly, but he doesn't know much about the detailed parameters.
Therefore, in his words, what he knows the details is directly the specific data parameters, and what he does not know is directly a general range. (To be continued..)
It's not that he didn't want to export, but that China had no chance to export at all in the first place.
China as a whole is still very backward in terms of these top-level manufacturing capabilities.What's more, these airlines in Europe and the United States will not trust the planes from China at all. Once something happens, the entire airline will probably go bankrupt.
The largest export market for regional airliners produced in China should be Central Asia, West Asia, Africa, and South America, which are economically underdeveloped places in the world.After all, when these countries purchase aircraft, as long as they have good performance and are safe and secure, there is no problem with whether they have European or American airworthiness certificates.
Didn't you see that in China, Jiuyi Airlines has used Il-76 military transport aircraft to transform into civil aviation airliners and has been flying in China for many years?
"What's more, I think everyone here knows better than anyone how McDonnell Douglas went bankrupt and how it was acquired by Boeing. Mr. Blacker, if you really want to enter the Chinese market and facilitate such a cooperation agreement, you should Don't use these to fool us. The Chinese started late in the aviation industry and have poor technology, but this does not mean that we will always be poor. If it is not good, invest tens of billions of funds, it will not work in 20 years, and the head office will take 50 years. I’m only 25 now, so it’s okay to live to 75 years old? I don’t believe it, we Chinese can’t develop a civilian engine in 50 years!” Yun Fei said lightly.
This kind of thing must put some pressure on the other party.
The Chinese are not easy to fool.
These guys may think that Chinese people don't know much about the international market, or they may think that Chinese people are the same as those guys in their physique.I am afraid that others will not sell things to China. As long as they sell, no matter what, no matter how backward it is, they will have to pay a lot of money to buy it back.
Just like the steel production equipment imported from Japan, the production equipment produced in the 70s and [-]s actually has a huge market in China. The major state-owned factories and private companies rushed to buy them, and the prices they offered were even higher than the new prices.
Why is that?
First.No one in this world will sell the latest equipment and technology to the Chinese.
Second, Chinese people generally have a mentality that it is better to buy something by yourself, and it is better to rent something than to buy it yourself.No one is willing to invest in technology development. After all, this investment is huge and there are great risks.
This kind of Chinese normality has made China the largest second-hand equipment market in the world. The Chinese are bearing the cost of developing new technologies for foreigners, because those guys are old The outdated equipment is sold directly to China...
When Pratt & Whitney treats Yunfei like this.This made Yun Fei very upset.
He is not one of those Chinese who is unwilling to engage in technology development.
"Mr. Yun, this makes you laugh. The jt8d-200 is not a commercial aircraft engine model that is about to be eliminated. Since the 80s, we have been continuously investing in upgrading this engine. It is indeed a high-efficiency, energy-saving, An environmentally friendly engine, especially if the thrust range is within the range you require, the price is also the most suitable, and there is not much research and development cost in it..." Mason Hand said to Yunfei and his party with a smile on his face.
on this engine.They did improve a lot, but with McDonnell Douglas going bankrupt due to numerous aircraft accidents, not many airlines wanted to use their engines.Chinese.Just in time for them.
It is absolutely possible to make this engine with excellent performance more market profits in China, which has many markets!
"Mr. Hand, do you think the price is a problem for us?" Jiang Jianxing said with a smile.
Everyone knows that when the Chinese buy these high-tech technical equipment, even if they are so poor that they don’t have to wear underwear, they will grit their teeth and buy advanced technical equipment, just to make people cheat once. Otherwise, these equipment Too far behind, the equipment will have to be updated again in a few days, no one can afford such a cost...
"The Chinese are indeed not short of money, but we only have this kind of short-range aircraft. At present, we don't have other production models of short-range engines for you to choose from..." Blacker really didn't expect that the young man he thought he knew , One sentence brought the negotiation to such an extent.
I thought that even if these guys don't look like the purchasing groups formed by those state-owned units and competent departments, they won't enter the substantive stage now.
And this young man seemed more eager than he was, and seemed even more indifferent than him.
Do not sell?If we don't sell it, we can do it ourselves, no matter how much time we have, we have to do it ourselves!
In China, as long as powerful people make up their minds, there will never be a shortage of technological achievements.After all, the patterns developed within the system and the behavior of those bureaucrats cannot be changed in a short time.And no one can tell how much this young private boss in front of him has played in China's technology industry.
China's electronics industry is not good, but this young man has the most top-level communication technology and personal computer technology in his hands.
Even more because of the appearance of this young man, many electronic parts and components purchased by the Chinese military equipment for civilian use in the world have begun to stop purchasing. What to develop, but now they don't even know what research the Chinese are doing.
China's military is the most mysterious department in the world. It looks like rubbish on the surface, but in fact it has countless world-class equipment.Many people are looking forward to the [-]th anniversary of the founding of the Chinese National Day military parade.
As for aircraft engines, although there is a big difference between civilian and military use, they are common in many things.
The most advanced engine is definitely impossible to sell to the Chinese.
If the Chinese are purchasing a high-thrust mainline airliner engine this time, it is definitely not a possibility. Even if Blackell wants to sell it to the Chinese, he has to consider the consequences.To sell the top engine is to sell the national interests of the United States to the Chinese.
"Mr. Blacker, is your company really gone? As far as I know, Pratt & Whitney has been developing engine technology for a new generation of short-range airliners since last year. In order to compete with GM and Rolls-Royce in this market, this model is called What is it?" Yun Kai said to Blacker with a smile on his face, but when he asked about the model, he asked about Ma Fengshan who was on the side.
"Pw6000, sample production has already started last year, using a gear-driven turbine engine. It has low noise and low fuel consumption. This is currently the world's best short-range airliner engine, and it can handle frequent take-offs and landings between cities... "Ma Fengshan doesn't know where this monster boss, Yun Fei, got the information.
If the parameters mentioned by Yun Fei are true, then it would not be in vain for him to say these things without any investigation at all under such circumstances.
But during the negotiation process, he didn't care about the rigorous or not rigorous issues. After all, it is very likely that a single sentence will cost tens of millions or even hundreds of millions of dollars.He is good at technology, but in business negotiations, Yun Fei and Jiang Jianxing are far more suitable than him.
Jiang Jianxing has accumulated experience in long-term negotiations, while Yun Fei relies on information he has obtained from others for more than ten years to psychologically destroy other people's defenses.
In the past, he only frightened the guys in the system at home, but now, he has started to frighten the most powerful Americans internationally.
Hearing Ma Fengshan's words, the faces of Blacker, Hand, Catherine and others all became ugly.
This is the core strategy of their company. At the same time, since the establishment of the project in 96 (it should have been in 98, the prototype was produced in 03, and it entered service in 05), they have never disclosed the slightest news to the outside world. Department of Defense...
The Chinese actually know the news now.
"If we provide some of the parameters we know to the aero-engine research center under the Ukrainian Miyanov Design Bureau, I don't know if they have been poached by the United States and Europe. The nickel-based light alloy engine of the material..." Yun Fei said with a smile on his face.
The Miyanov Design Bureau is like a thorn in the side and a thorn in the flesh of European and American countries. No matter how it is suppressed, it can survive tenaciously like Xiaoqiang. Many of the old Maozi's strategic aircraft are produced by this design bureau.
"Mr. Yun, this engine has not yet completed the experiment, and this is a military model, not a civilian aircraft model..." Hearing Yun Fei's words, the faces of Pratt & Whitney became even more difficult.
Among the people involved in this project, there are Chinese spies!
You know, for the sake of confidentiality, no Chinese participated in this project at all, and it is even more impossible for the Ministry of National Defense to leak information.
"Really? As far as I know, this is not a military model, but a civilian engine, or a short-range engine. The thrust range is 18000--24000 pounds, and the fuel consumption is lower than the current short-range engine models on the market. One third..." There are some things that Yun Fei knows very clearly, but he doesn't know much about the detailed parameters.
Therefore, in his words, what he knows the details is directly the specific data parameters, and what he does not know is directly a general range. (To be continued..)
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