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Chapter 798 Quarrel
Chapter 798 Quarrel
Xu Xifei did not understand the meaning of the Mohist school. The matter of the Song State was obviously intended to use the Song State to bind together the school that had reconciled with the Mohist school after the great debate.
In the debate four years ago, there was a school of reconciliation with Mohism, and there was a school of thought that completely broke with Mohism.
Although the Mohist family and the farmer's family had not been very happy in the past two years regarding the action plan of the farmer's family, at least the two parties in the Song Dynasty could still cooperate.
Xu Xi was more than happy to do so.
The status of the peasant family in Sishang is a bit awkward. Without this popular base, it would be difficult to develop in Sishang.It is said that working together is beneficial to the world, and the peasant family on Sishang cannot enter the core decision-making level, and the middle-level officials are all members of the Mohist family.
Sometimes Xu Xi felt that the farmer's family was just a statue to be worshiped on Sishang, which was neither embarrassing nor embarrassing.
The Mohists vehemently opposed the farm family's plan in the Song Dynasty, and the root cause was the issue of "future".
Not to mention those far-reaching strategies for governing the country, according to the farmer's plan, support the Dai family when the Song State Consulting Yuan Dayin is about to be re-elected, launch a peasant riot that lost their land and exile to Shangqiu, or directly assassinate those old nobles, so as to seize power change.
Just for this point, if the Song Dynasty is an isolated country that has nothing to do with the world, it may be feasible; but the world is not isolated, and the farmer did not consider the consequences of the interference of various countries, and the Mohism would be dragged into the water by doing so. question.
The Mohists have their plans, and the farmers have their ideas. This is why the Mohists have always hoped that the farmers can integrate into the Mohism, criticize utopias, and other ideas of labor exchange, and work together around a common goal.
Now that Dangshan Mountain has been breached, and the affairs of the Song State are about to stabilize, Xu Xi is somewhat embarrassed to invite the hundreds of families who reconciled back then to discuss major issues. He feels that the peasant family has contributed less. Play the leading role.
When Xu Xi took his disciples to the dinner, Xu Xi met many people from other schools.
For example, Meng Sunyang, a disciple of Yang Zhu; Tian Wushang of the Guanzi school; Chang Luzi of the Chu State Taoist school;
These people are old faces, and most of them are people who have long been famous in the world. Even Chang Luzi, who is the least famous compared to Meng Sunyang Shijiao and others, has left stories of unfounded worries. Make friends with Lie Yukou.
In addition to these old faces, Xu Xi also saw some newcomers, who should be the newly recruited disciples from their travels.
Standing behind Shi Jiao was a young man of fifteen or sixteen years old. When introducing each other, Xu Xi realized that this young man was Shi Jiao's disciple in Weiguo, and he was also a descendant of the public family. Character.
Xu Xi doesn't care about this person named Gongsun Yang or this place is not Wei Yang, which should be called Wei Yang. Nowadays, a hundred schools of thought are contending, and there are many down-and-out nobles or sons of scholars from all over the world. Eye.
Since it was a dinner party between schools this time, of course the Mohist side wanted the giants to come forward, and some high-level figures of the Mohisth also gathered together.
Taking into account the habits of various schools of thought, they did not adopt the Mohist style of tables, chairs and benches, but used the way of kneeling, sitting and sharing meals to show respect for each other's habits.
The bigwigs from various schools knelt in front, and the confidant disciples knelt behind, the Mohists were in the lead, and the Mohists who were accompanying them were the next heads.
There is no need for silk and bamboo orchestral music for the exchange of schools.
Shi didn't have those polite words, so he directly talked about the affairs of Song State, and talked about the damage caused by the chaos of Song State to the people and so on.
These schools, even Confucianism, which is incompatible with Mohism, also emphasize benevolence and righteousness, but the benevolence and righteousness of each school are not the same, but the hearts of the world, the stability of the people, and the well-being of the people are similar.
But thoughts are thoughts, interests are interests, benevolence and righteousness are not the same, and morals are not the same, so I think that the quarrel tonight is inevitable.
After Shi Shi finished speaking, Xu Xi said first: "Shi Zi's words are very true. Now that the Song Dynasty has been established, what should the Song Dynasty do in the future to make the people rich and profitable? This is what we should consider and should into it."
Shi nodded and said: "This is the reason why my Mo family invited everyone to come here. Our Mo family sent troops to the Song Dynasty just to fulfill the covenant of the year, at the request of the Song Xunzheng Yuan and the people of the Song Dynasty, once it is done, we will withdraw the troops. Countries must not interfere, and we must lead by example."
Xu Xi stood up and said, "The bad thing about the state affairs of the Song Dynasty is that there is the Court of Gentlemen and the Court of the Common People. The Court of Gentlemen governs, and the people who enter its court are all nobles. Benefits are naturally different."
"If the common people desire neither conquest nor war, but the Court of Gentlemen has the right to veto, then what is the use of the Court of Common People?"
"There is no distinction between the Common People's Court and the Gentleman's Court in Sishang. It is still prosperous and rich. I think the Song Dynasty wants to make a decision. The first thing to do is to abolish the Gentleman's Court. The whole people elect wise men to discuss government together."
"Just like the 50 people in the Song Dynasty, regardless of whether they are rich or poor, they can be elected. This is the collective righteousness, and this is the real equality for the people."
Shi secretly shook his head, thinking that Xu Xi still didn't understand Sishang's model. Sishang is not a real co-government of all peoples, but an organization led by the Mohists.
He also understands Xu Xi's thoughts. Based on the ideal of the peasant family, it is obviously wrong and unreasonable for the Song Dynasty to be divided into the Gentleman's Court and the Common People's Court.
If the whole people can discuss politics without property, and take the essence of the people, in the end, the feudal common people and self-cultivating farmers who account for the vast majority of the population will definitely stand on the side of the peasant family and use the advantage of population to gain the power to govern and make laws.
This is not to say that it is not good, nor is it that it cannot be done, but it is obviously unrealistic with the current level of education, the degree of public participation, and the speed of communication of traffic information.
It's okay for a small country with few people, but the Song country can be regarded as a country of a thousand times, so it's definitely not possible to do it like this.
It was inevitable that such a thing would happen in Song Dynasty.
Before the rites collapsed, the rites and laws could maintain the rule and jurisprudence of a vassal state, and under the layers of enfeoffment, the prince was the biggest lord to form a country.
After the collapse of ritual and music, a new model is urgently needed to maintain a country.Contradictions between monarchs and nobles, nobles and commoners, and monarchs and commoners. The three parties are either in opposition or cooperation. There are many solutions to the new model, such as the centralized bureaucracy... However, this is for the Song Dynasty It's an extravagant hope. There are many nobles without power. How can we talk about centralization?
The method given 20 years ago was to use the Consulting Yuan as a bridge connecting the monarchs, nobles, and common people, so as to maintain the existence of a Song state.
Of course, there were evil intentions at that time. Under the premise of the existence of real power and land-feuding nobles, this kind of Consulting Yuan will definitely become a conspiracy to limit the centralization of power.
Do you want the State of Song to centralize power, and you don't want the State of Song to make too radical changes? For the State of Song, you still have to find a way to decentralize power and make it a geographical concept. It is not allowed and will never be allowed to appear like "Song State of Song State People" the concept of.
At this time, he opposed Xu Xi's idea, but he didn't express it directly. He wanted to see the opinions of other schools of thought.
Some things don't need the Mo family to speak out.
If not, Meng Sunyang of the Yang Zhu school stood up and said: "Although the public statement is good, it cannot be realized, just like the Mohist saying that the winter is too cold and the sun is drawn closer."
Xu Xi snorted and said, "I'm afraid that what you are worried about is not this, but that when the rich are connected with each other and the poor have no place to stand, you will let all the people discuss the big policy and divide the land and property evenly, right? Yang Zhu's learning, everyone Self-interest is not impossible, but everyone needs to be able to benefit oneself."
"It's like a poor man who has no one to depend on and works as a servant and servant. All the work and income are for others. How can he benefit himself? It is said that in ancient times, Shennong was not born, and he drank the blood of his hair, and there was no planting. The land was like mountains, rivers, and seas. It belongs to everyone, and everyone has the right to own their own land to survive, which is the original intention of Fuxi and Nuwa to create human beings."
Meng Sunyang also said seriously: "My words are not for myself, nor for the righteousness of my Yangzhu school. What can be done in Sishang may not be done by Song Dynasty."
"But in terms of Sishang, there are tens of thousands of Mohists who share the same meaning, so that every village has one or two Mohist people. Teachers and gentlemen are all over the place from Taoyi to Huaibei, and there are more literate people in the world."
"Dare to ask Song Guo, how many people can read? How many people know the long-term interests? How many people know how to weigh the pros and cons?"
Tian Wushang of the Guanzi School also said: "I also mean the same thing. Sishang is like this and it cannot be ruled by all people. Sishang Mohism still has the final veto right in the Ten Thousand People's Legislative Assembly. Otherwise, the ban on grain imports back then It will be passed, and the industry and commerce in Sishang will be affected by then."
"You farmer wants to pay the same price as the market, and you don't know the importance and economics. You don't understand, let alone the people? At that time, the Song Dynasty may only focus on immediate benefits, but in the long run, the people will suffer."
"In my opinion, Sishang's approach is correct, but it will take 20 years for the people to feel the benefits. The industry and commerce are underdeveloped, and farmers will still suffer after all. If all the land is divided equally, the people will benefit in the short term, but in the long run there will be no benefit." Italian."
Xu Xi sneered and said: "In the fiefdoms of the nobles in Song Dynasty, there are often poor and helpless people. There is only a share of land, and a year of hard work in planting potatoes and sweet potatoes is only enough to survive starvation. The rest of the time, you have to cultivate the public land of the nobles, or work with the nobles. .”
"Sow in spring, harvest in autumn, labor in summer, military service in war, taxes, and the high price of salt. In the end, the income of the year is not tax deductible, and you have to borrow money. In winter, lenders force you, Only escape."
"Since you talk about long-term benefits, people are dead, so what benefits can you talk about?"
"As you said, there is no need to move the land of the nobles. Anyway, it is good for the land to gather together to produce high yields, right?"
"But even so, that's not right. According to the law of nature and the ancient meaning, mountains, rivers and land belong to all peoples. Why should nobles own fiefdoms? Who gave them the right to occupy those lands? Let's not talk about benefits, just talk about Righteousness, are they right to occupy the land?"
"The emperor owns the land. Where did the emperor's land come from? In ancient times, there was no emperor. Could it be that the land was already determined to belong to a future emperor? This is no different from snatching it from someone else. Take the property, say it is your own, and give it to whoever you want?"
(End of this chapter)
Xu Xifei did not understand the meaning of the Mohist school. The matter of the Song State was obviously intended to use the Song State to bind together the school that had reconciled with the Mohist school after the great debate.
In the debate four years ago, there was a school of reconciliation with Mohism, and there was a school of thought that completely broke with Mohism.
Although the Mohist family and the farmer's family had not been very happy in the past two years regarding the action plan of the farmer's family, at least the two parties in the Song Dynasty could still cooperate.
Xu Xi was more than happy to do so.
The status of the peasant family in Sishang is a bit awkward. Without this popular base, it would be difficult to develop in Sishang.It is said that working together is beneficial to the world, and the peasant family on Sishang cannot enter the core decision-making level, and the middle-level officials are all members of the Mohist family.
Sometimes Xu Xi felt that the farmer's family was just a statue to be worshiped on Sishang, which was neither embarrassing nor embarrassing.
The Mohists vehemently opposed the farm family's plan in the Song Dynasty, and the root cause was the issue of "future".
Not to mention those far-reaching strategies for governing the country, according to the farmer's plan, support the Dai family when the Song State Consulting Yuan Dayin is about to be re-elected, launch a peasant riot that lost their land and exile to Shangqiu, or directly assassinate those old nobles, so as to seize power change.
Just for this point, if the Song Dynasty is an isolated country that has nothing to do with the world, it may be feasible; but the world is not isolated, and the farmer did not consider the consequences of the interference of various countries, and the Mohism would be dragged into the water by doing so. question.
The Mohists have their plans, and the farmers have their ideas. This is why the Mohists have always hoped that the farmers can integrate into the Mohism, criticize utopias, and other ideas of labor exchange, and work together around a common goal.
Now that Dangshan Mountain has been breached, and the affairs of the Song State are about to stabilize, Xu Xi is somewhat embarrassed to invite the hundreds of families who reconciled back then to discuss major issues. He feels that the peasant family has contributed less. Play the leading role.
When Xu Xi took his disciples to the dinner, Xu Xi met many people from other schools.
For example, Meng Sunyang, a disciple of Yang Zhu; Tian Wushang of the Guanzi school; Chang Luzi of the Chu State Taoist school;
These people are old faces, and most of them are people who have long been famous in the world. Even Chang Luzi, who is the least famous compared to Meng Sunyang Shijiao and others, has left stories of unfounded worries. Make friends with Lie Yukou.
In addition to these old faces, Xu Xi also saw some newcomers, who should be the newly recruited disciples from their travels.
Standing behind Shi Jiao was a young man of fifteen or sixteen years old. When introducing each other, Xu Xi realized that this young man was Shi Jiao's disciple in Weiguo, and he was also a descendant of the public family. Character.
Xu Xi doesn't care about this person named Gongsun Yang or this place is not Wei Yang, which should be called Wei Yang. Nowadays, a hundred schools of thought are contending, and there are many down-and-out nobles or sons of scholars from all over the world. Eye.
Since it was a dinner party between schools this time, of course the Mohist side wanted the giants to come forward, and some high-level figures of the Mohisth also gathered together.
Taking into account the habits of various schools of thought, they did not adopt the Mohist style of tables, chairs and benches, but used the way of kneeling, sitting and sharing meals to show respect for each other's habits.
The bigwigs from various schools knelt in front, and the confidant disciples knelt behind, the Mohists were in the lead, and the Mohists who were accompanying them were the next heads.
There is no need for silk and bamboo orchestral music for the exchange of schools.
Shi didn't have those polite words, so he directly talked about the affairs of Song State, and talked about the damage caused by the chaos of Song State to the people and so on.
These schools, even Confucianism, which is incompatible with Mohism, also emphasize benevolence and righteousness, but the benevolence and righteousness of each school are not the same, but the hearts of the world, the stability of the people, and the well-being of the people are similar.
But thoughts are thoughts, interests are interests, benevolence and righteousness are not the same, and morals are not the same, so I think that the quarrel tonight is inevitable.
After Shi Shi finished speaking, Xu Xi said first: "Shi Zi's words are very true. Now that the Song Dynasty has been established, what should the Song Dynasty do in the future to make the people rich and profitable? This is what we should consider and should into it."
Shi nodded and said: "This is the reason why my Mo family invited everyone to come here. Our Mo family sent troops to the Song Dynasty just to fulfill the covenant of the year, at the request of the Song Xunzheng Yuan and the people of the Song Dynasty, once it is done, we will withdraw the troops. Countries must not interfere, and we must lead by example."
Xu Xi stood up and said, "The bad thing about the state affairs of the Song Dynasty is that there is the Court of Gentlemen and the Court of the Common People. The Court of Gentlemen governs, and the people who enter its court are all nobles. Benefits are naturally different."
"If the common people desire neither conquest nor war, but the Court of Gentlemen has the right to veto, then what is the use of the Court of Common People?"
"There is no distinction between the Common People's Court and the Gentleman's Court in Sishang. It is still prosperous and rich. I think the Song Dynasty wants to make a decision. The first thing to do is to abolish the Gentleman's Court. The whole people elect wise men to discuss government together."
"Just like the 50 people in the Song Dynasty, regardless of whether they are rich or poor, they can be elected. This is the collective righteousness, and this is the real equality for the people."
Shi secretly shook his head, thinking that Xu Xi still didn't understand Sishang's model. Sishang is not a real co-government of all peoples, but an organization led by the Mohists.
He also understands Xu Xi's thoughts. Based on the ideal of the peasant family, it is obviously wrong and unreasonable for the Song Dynasty to be divided into the Gentleman's Court and the Common People's Court.
If the whole people can discuss politics without property, and take the essence of the people, in the end, the feudal common people and self-cultivating farmers who account for the vast majority of the population will definitely stand on the side of the peasant family and use the advantage of population to gain the power to govern and make laws.
This is not to say that it is not good, nor is it that it cannot be done, but it is obviously unrealistic with the current level of education, the degree of public participation, and the speed of communication of traffic information.
It's okay for a small country with few people, but the Song country can be regarded as a country of a thousand times, so it's definitely not possible to do it like this.
It was inevitable that such a thing would happen in Song Dynasty.
Before the rites collapsed, the rites and laws could maintain the rule and jurisprudence of a vassal state, and under the layers of enfeoffment, the prince was the biggest lord to form a country.
After the collapse of ritual and music, a new model is urgently needed to maintain a country.Contradictions between monarchs and nobles, nobles and commoners, and monarchs and commoners. The three parties are either in opposition or cooperation. There are many solutions to the new model, such as the centralized bureaucracy... However, this is for the Song Dynasty It's an extravagant hope. There are many nobles without power. How can we talk about centralization?
The method given 20 years ago was to use the Consulting Yuan as a bridge connecting the monarchs, nobles, and common people, so as to maintain the existence of a Song state.
Of course, there were evil intentions at that time. Under the premise of the existence of real power and land-feuding nobles, this kind of Consulting Yuan will definitely become a conspiracy to limit the centralization of power.
Do you want the State of Song to centralize power, and you don't want the State of Song to make too radical changes? For the State of Song, you still have to find a way to decentralize power and make it a geographical concept. It is not allowed and will never be allowed to appear like "Song State of Song State People" the concept of.
At this time, he opposed Xu Xi's idea, but he didn't express it directly. He wanted to see the opinions of other schools of thought.
Some things don't need the Mo family to speak out.
If not, Meng Sunyang of the Yang Zhu school stood up and said: "Although the public statement is good, it cannot be realized, just like the Mohist saying that the winter is too cold and the sun is drawn closer."
Xu Xi snorted and said, "I'm afraid that what you are worried about is not this, but that when the rich are connected with each other and the poor have no place to stand, you will let all the people discuss the big policy and divide the land and property evenly, right? Yang Zhu's learning, everyone Self-interest is not impossible, but everyone needs to be able to benefit oneself."
"It's like a poor man who has no one to depend on and works as a servant and servant. All the work and income are for others. How can he benefit himself? It is said that in ancient times, Shennong was not born, and he drank the blood of his hair, and there was no planting. The land was like mountains, rivers, and seas. It belongs to everyone, and everyone has the right to own their own land to survive, which is the original intention of Fuxi and Nuwa to create human beings."
Meng Sunyang also said seriously: "My words are not for myself, nor for the righteousness of my Yangzhu school. What can be done in Sishang may not be done by Song Dynasty."
"But in terms of Sishang, there are tens of thousands of Mohists who share the same meaning, so that every village has one or two Mohist people. Teachers and gentlemen are all over the place from Taoyi to Huaibei, and there are more literate people in the world."
"Dare to ask Song Guo, how many people can read? How many people know the long-term interests? How many people know how to weigh the pros and cons?"
Tian Wushang of the Guanzi School also said: "I also mean the same thing. Sishang is like this and it cannot be ruled by all people. Sishang Mohism still has the final veto right in the Ten Thousand People's Legislative Assembly. Otherwise, the ban on grain imports back then It will be passed, and the industry and commerce in Sishang will be affected by then."
"You farmer wants to pay the same price as the market, and you don't know the importance and economics. You don't understand, let alone the people? At that time, the Song Dynasty may only focus on immediate benefits, but in the long run, the people will suffer."
"In my opinion, Sishang's approach is correct, but it will take 20 years for the people to feel the benefits. The industry and commerce are underdeveloped, and farmers will still suffer after all. If all the land is divided equally, the people will benefit in the short term, but in the long run there will be no benefit." Italian."
Xu Xi sneered and said: "In the fiefdoms of the nobles in Song Dynasty, there are often poor and helpless people. There is only a share of land, and a year of hard work in planting potatoes and sweet potatoes is only enough to survive starvation. The rest of the time, you have to cultivate the public land of the nobles, or work with the nobles. .”
"Sow in spring, harvest in autumn, labor in summer, military service in war, taxes, and the high price of salt. In the end, the income of the year is not tax deductible, and you have to borrow money. In winter, lenders force you, Only escape."
"Since you talk about long-term benefits, people are dead, so what benefits can you talk about?"
"As you said, there is no need to move the land of the nobles. Anyway, it is good for the land to gather together to produce high yields, right?"
"But even so, that's not right. According to the law of nature and the ancient meaning, mountains, rivers and land belong to all peoples. Why should nobles own fiefdoms? Who gave them the right to occupy those lands? Let's not talk about benefits, just talk about Righteousness, are they right to occupy the land?"
"The emperor owns the land. Where did the emperor's land come from? In ancient times, there was no emperor. Could it be that the land was already determined to belong to a future emperor? This is no different from snatching it from someone else. Take the property, say it is your own, and give it to whoever you want?"
(End of this chapter)
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