Beiyang 1917
Chapter 407 Seems Not Enough Chips
"Kamenev, what nonsense are you talking about? We have a life-and-death relationship with Kolchak and the White Guards. According to what you say, if we recognize the legitimacy of the all-Russian temporary government of the Kolchak gang, then our Soviet What about the regime? Do you want to split the Russian motherland?!"
Bukharin, the People’s Propaganda Committee member of the Russian Central Committee and the editor-in-chief of "Pravda", jumped up again. Playing theories and labeling are his strengths, and in his opinion, progressive and reactionary, leftists and rightists are irreconcilable classes contradiction!
Kamenev ignored Bukharin, but turned around and looked at Ulyanov and Trotsky seriously, "Since we have even given up the lands and peoples of Poland, Ukraine, and Belarus to recognize their rights Li, then in order to defend our political power and save the current crisis, what if we temporarily abandon the right bank of the Volga River!"
Ulyanov frowned and was speechless for a while, while Trotsky pinched his waist and turned around in the conference room. This is definitely not the time to buckle his hat and swing his stick. Solving the current predicament is the top priority. , besides, what Kamenev said was not unreasonable.
How much land and people Russia has lost in the past six months, not to mention that the right bank of the Volga River is already under the occupation of the coalition forces and Kolchak's All-Russian Autonomous Government. Buy yourself time and space!
"Kamenev's suggestion is very good. We have even given up on Ukraine and Belarus. What if we give up on Kazan and Ufa on the right bank of the Volga River? Petrograd, Moscow and Tsaritsyn, the heart of Mother Russia In our hands!" Zinoviev supported Kamenev from the sidelines.
"Recognizing the legitimacy of the Kolchak gang will bring unpredictable results. You must know that both Krasnov and Denikin in the Caucasus recognized Kolchak as the supreme consul of the interim government of Russia!
If we recognize the Kolchak regime on the right bank of the Volga, what about the Krasnov and Denikin gangs in the North Caucasus and Don Valley?Also admitted together?What about the North Caucasus?What about the Crimean Peninsula?Did they also give up together? "
Ulyanov felt a little heavy. He felt that this issue was obviously very difficult. One bad one would cause a chain reaction, and the Soviet Russian regime might completely collapse from within.
"Since we have given up so many places, so what if we just give up in the North Caucasus. After we become stronger, we will find a way to get it back!" Dzerzhinsky, who had been silent at the side, finally interjected.
"What I worry about is that due to the disastrous defeat of the Eastern Front on the right bank of the Volga, it is certain that we will be on the defensive on the Eastern Front in the short term. I will agree, Kolchak is only thinking about coming to Moscow!"
Trotsky shook his head slowly and said, not only did the chairman of the Supreme Revolutionary Military Council not object to Kamenev's suggestion, but he believed that this bargaining chip was far from enough to impress the other party.
As soon as this remark came out, the faces of the Central Committee members present all changed a little, and Bukharin jumped up angrily, waving his hands and shouting,
"Comrades! Members of the Central Committee! I have to remind you that some people's positions and ideas have slipped to less than 50 meters away from the Left Socialist Revolutionary Party, Mensheviks and Constitutionalists! It is dangerous to continue like this, I am not alarmist If this continues, before the enemy can tighten the noose around our necks, we will strangle ourselves to death first!"
"Be quiet! Bukharin! Can just shouting slogans and being a radical leftist save our doctrine and cause? Please sit down quietly! Don't affect everyone's thinking!" Ulyanov reprimanded angrily road.
"Comrade Trotsky is right. Kolchak is not that easy to deal with. He is determined to wipe us out completely. It is absolutely impossible for us to coexist peacefully with his all-Russian interim government. The enmity between the two parties over land and bread cannot be resolved with a peace agreement!" Zinoviev frowned.
"The Volga River is our bottom line. If Kolchak and the coalition forces still insist on crossing the river, what is the point of our negotiation and signing of the peace treaty? After crossing the Volga River, the enemy will soon be able to advance to Moscow and Tsaritsyn, how can the Soviet regime survive?"
Ulyanov waved his hand fiercely and said, you must not do the thing of opening the door and stealing, otherwise the science and education will lose your wife and lose the army, and you will be a bad person inside and outside. This really complied with what Bukharin said. The noose around his neck tightened.
"Whether Kolchak will cross the river or not, I don't know, but the coalition forces will definitely cross the river!" Zinoviev said suddenly and shockingly.
"What? What are you kidding? What basis do you have? If they have to cross the river anyway, why are we negotiating? Do you think this is two neighbors' children playing house?" Bukharin Can't help but continue to jump out and shout.
This time Ulyanov and Trotsky didn't interrupt him. The two big bosses of the Central Committee of the Soviet Union thumped in their hearts. They looked at each other, and then turned their eyes to Zinoviev. Waiting for him to continue talking.
"As we all know, the two warring parties in the European War started this war for their own interests and to share the spoils. For Russia, which is located in the heart of the Upper Garden of Europe, it is impossible to be alone. There is no other way out if the law-based Allied Powers join forces!"
Zinoviev frowned deeply and began to brainwash his colleagues in the Central Committee.
"Who said that? Didn't we negotiate a truce with Germany and Austria and withdraw from the European war? Who said that we must join one of them?" Bukharin argued.
"That's just our good wish. Even if we paid such a huge price for territory and resources to make peace with Germany and Austria, at present, we still can't stand alone and stay away from this war. If the Allies and the Entente countries can promise us to do so, They dare not agree!" Zinoviev smacked his mouth.
"Why? Comrade Zinoviev, please speak more simply and don't make a fool of yourself. This is so imminent that you are dying so slowly!" Bukharin urged, stomping his feet.
Ulyanov and Trotsky frowned and listened to their conversation.
"Because no one is sure that we will still maintain an impartial view of this war after we grow stronger. For Germany and Austria, they have stolen such a vast territory and resources from Russia through peace and armistice peace treaties. He Worried that we will settle accounts with him when we become stronger!"
"For the Allied Powers, the Allied Powers provided huge military loans to the Tsarist Russian government during the previous four years of war. The Mosin Nagant rifles of the Tsarist Russian Army were even mainly produced with the help of American arsenals. Most of the arms payments were It’s still owed, not to mention that the governments and financial groups of the Allied countries are holding astronomical amounts of Tsarist-Russian bonds.”
Zinoviev sighed, and continued, "Only if the Allied Powers continue to tie us to their chariots, can these debts have a chance to be repaid. One of the important reasons why we lost the support of the Allied Powers was the announcement of the abolition of Tsarist Russia. All foreign debts owed by fu.
And the all-Russian interim government of Kolchak vowed to inherit all the credits and debts of the Tsarist Russian government, as long as the Allied Powers support and recognize his regime as the legal government of Russia."
Before Zinoviev finished speaking, Bukharin waved his hands and continued to shout, "We abolish all treaties, covenants, debts and loans between Tsarist Russia and the imperialist countries. It is an established policy and must not be changed. We are the revolution to overthrow the tsarist rule. Bolsheviks, we are not opportunists and insiders like the Left SRs and Mensheviks!"
Ulyanov reached out to Bukharin and made a shut-up gesture to stop the chatter of the editor-in-chief of "Pravda".
"Zinoviev, you said that the Allied forces must cross the river. Is it because they want to choke Germany and Austria on the Eastern Front? In order to ease the passive situation of the Allied Powers on the Western Front?" Trotsky was deeply moved, and suddenly heard Zinoviev's words imply.
Ulyanov raised his eyebrows, touched his shiny forehead and understood a little bit.
"According to my judgment, this is indeed the case, Comrade Trotsky, the purpose of the Allied forces appearing west of the Ural Mountains was not to fight for Kolchak's territory, it was just a matter of raking grass and hunting rabbits. I guess the Allied Powers China and Japan have become powerful forces in the East that cannot be underestimated after the alliance, but it is obviously unrealistic for them to go to the western front to fight on the French battlefield across the ocean!"
"So you think the coalition forces dispatched to the west of the Ural Mountains are mainly for the purpose of rushing to the Eastern Front to fight against the Allies?" Ulyanov interjected.
"Eight is inseparable from ten, but because the Soviet Russian government and Germany and Austria have ceased war and even have a private strategic cooperation and alliance in it, this has caused the Allied Forces to solve our obstacle before they can free up their hands to fight Germany and Austria. !” Zinoviev nodded.
"This is really fucking difficult. We can't afford to provoke Deo now, and we can't afford to provoke the coalition forces in Ufa. If this continues, even the White Guards will ride on us! What should we do? !" Comrade Ulyanov swears again in a hurry.
"At present, Germany and Austria still have at least the Allied forces on the western front to hold them back for a while. If Ufa's coalition forces are determined to support Kolchak, they will be able to attack Moscow within a month at the latest! Kamenev sighed.
"Ri and Japan are considered to be an alliance. Is there enough strength to fight against Germany and Austria after traveling thousands of miles? It is not enough to fight against the Allies with 10,000+ or 10,000+ troops. The industrial base is poor and empty, at most it can be regarded as a giant with mud feet, so the armies of these two countries are qualified to fight against Ludendorff's main force?"
Ulyanov looked puzzled. In his opinion, the Chinese and the Japanese may have come to the west of the Ural Mountains for a while to meet the requests of the three bosses of the Allied Powers, the United States, Britain and France. How many troops are there in the whole country?How many troops are there in the whole of Japan?Do you have the confidence and strength to fight with the Allies?
"How many troops are there in Ufa's coalition forces? Do they have the ability to go to the Eastern Front?" Ulyanov asked Dzerzhinsky suspiciously.
Dzerzhinsky blushed. The work carried out by the Chekas of the Eastern Front was far inferior to that of the Chekas of the Southern Front supported by Joseph. In addition to countering counter-revolutionaries, intelligence work was also an important part of the work of the Cheka, a secret force. The news that can come back from the right bank of the Volga is very limited.
"The Japanese army only has 20 standing divisions, and there are at least five or more disbanded divisions. It is estimated that the opponent's active army has at most 30 people. During the year, there were roughly 20 to 30 divisions, and the total number may be 60 to 90!" Zinoviev said aside.
"You said this last time. I mean, how many people have been dispatched by the coalition forces on both sides of the Ural Mountains, and how many coalition forces have wiped out more than 20 of our troops on the Ufa battlefield? Ter Rensky, you are in charge of intelligence work, haven't you figured this out yet?"
Ulyanov was obviously in a hurry and yelled at Dzerzhinsky.
"According to my judgment, the Ufa coalition forces have integrated the Russian troops, the Chinese troops and the Japanese troops into a unified command. Judging from the opponent's battle report, the Russian troops that belonged to the White Guards should have at least eight infantry divisions and one cavalry division. As for the size of the Chinese troops of the coalition forces and the Japanese troops, it is hard to say." It was Trotsky who stood up to rescue the blushing Dzerzhinsky.
Bukharin, the People’s Propaganda Committee member of the Russian Central Committee and the editor-in-chief of "Pravda", jumped up again. Playing theories and labeling are his strengths, and in his opinion, progressive and reactionary, leftists and rightists are irreconcilable classes contradiction!
Kamenev ignored Bukharin, but turned around and looked at Ulyanov and Trotsky seriously, "Since we have even given up the lands and peoples of Poland, Ukraine, and Belarus to recognize their rights Li, then in order to defend our political power and save the current crisis, what if we temporarily abandon the right bank of the Volga River!"
Ulyanov frowned and was speechless for a while, while Trotsky pinched his waist and turned around in the conference room. This is definitely not the time to buckle his hat and swing his stick. Solving the current predicament is the top priority. , besides, what Kamenev said was not unreasonable.
How much land and people Russia has lost in the past six months, not to mention that the right bank of the Volga River is already under the occupation of the coalition forces and Kolchak's All-Russian Autonomous Government. Buy yourself time and space!
"Kamenev's suggestion is very good. We have even given up on Ukraine and Belarus. What if we give up on Kazan and Ufa on the right bank of the Volga River? Petrograd, Moscow and Tsaritsyn, the heart of Mother Russia In our hands!" Zinoviev supported Kamenev from the sidelines.
"Recognizing the legitimacy of the Kolchak gang will bring unpredictable results. You must know that both Krasnov and Denikin in the Caucasus recognized Kolchak as the supreme consul of the interim government of Russia!
If we recognize the Kolchak regime on the right bank of the Volga, what about the Krasnov and Denikin gangs in the North Caucasus and Don Valley?Also admitted together?What about the North Caucasus?What about the Crimean Peninsula?Did they also give up together? "
Ulyanov felt a little heavy. He felt that this issue was obviously very difficult. One bad one would cause a chain reaction, and the Soviet Russian regime might completely collapse from within.
"Since we have given up so many places, so what if we just give up in the North Caucasus. After we become stronger, we will find a way to get it back!" Dzerzhinsky, who had been silent at the side, finally interjected.
"What I worry about is that due to the disastrous defeat of the Eastern Front on the right bank of the Volga, it is certain that we will be on the defensive on the Eastern Front in the short term. I will agree, Kolchak is only thinking about coming to Moscow!"
Trotsky shook his head slowly and said, not only did the chairman of the Supreme Revolutionary Military Council not object to Kamenev's suggestion, but he believed that this bargaining chip was far from enough to impress the other party.
As soon as this remark came out, the faces of the Central Committee members present all changed a little, and Bukharin jumped up angrily, waving his hands and shouting,
"Comrades! Members of the Central Committee! I have to remind you that some people's positions and ideas have slipped to less than 50 meters away from the Left Socialist Revolutionary Party, Mensheviks and Constitutionalists! It is dangerous to continue like this, I am not alarmist If this continues, before the enemy can tighten the noose around our necks, we will strangle ourselves to death first!"
"Be quiet! Bukharin! Can just shouting slogans and being a radical leftist save our doctrine and cause? Please sit down quietly! Don't affect everyone's thinking!" Ulyanov reprimanded angrily road.
"Comrade Trotsky is right. Kolchak is not that easy to deal with. He is determined to wipe us out completely. It is absolutely impossible for us to coexist peacefully with his all-Russian interim government. The enmity between the two parties over land and bread cannot be resolved with a peace agreement!" Zinoviev frowned.
"The Volga River is our bottom line. If Kolchak and the coalition forces still insist on crossing the river, what is the point of our negotiation and signing of the peace treaty? After crossing the Volga River, the enemy will soon be able to advance to Moscow and Tsaritsyn, how can the Soviet regime survive?"
Ulyanov waved his hand fiercely and said, you must not do the thing of opening the door and stealing, otherwise the science and education will lose your wife and lose the army, and you will be a bad person inside and outside. This really complied with what Bukharin said. The noose around his neck tightened.
"Whether Kolchak will cross the river or not, I don't know, but the coalition forces will definitely cross the river!" Zinoviev said suddenly and shockingly.
"What? What are you kidding? What basis do you have? If they have to cross the river anyway, why are we negotiating? Do you think this is two neighbors' children playing house?" Bukharin Can't help but continue to jump out and shout.
This time Ulyanov and Trotsky didn't interrupt him. The two big bosses of the Central Committee of the Soviet Union thumped in their hearts. They looked at each other, and then turned their eyes to Zinoviev. Waiting for him to continue talking.
"As we all know, the two warring parties in the European War started this war for their own interests and to share the spoils. For Russia, which is located in the heart of the Upper Garden of Europe, it is impossible to be alone. There is no other way out if the law-based Allied Powers join forces!"
Zinoviev frowned deeply and began to brainwash his colleagues in the Central Committee.
"Who said that? Didn't we negotiate a truce with Germany and Austria and withdraw from the European war? Who said that we must join one of them?" Bukharin argued.
"That's just our good wish. Even if we paid such a huge price for territory and resources to make peace with Germany and Austria, at present, we still can't stand alone and stay away from this war. If the Allies and the Entente countries can promise us to do so, They dare not agree!" Zinoviev smacked his mouth.
"Why? Comrade Zinoviev, please speak more simply and don't make a fool of yourself. This is so imminent that you are dying so slowly!" Bukharin urged, stomping his feet.
Ulyanov and Trotsky frowned and listened to their conversation.
"Because no one is sure that we will still maintain an impartial view of this war after we grow stronger. For Germany and Austria, they have stolen such a vast territory and resources from Russia through peace and armistice peace treaties. He Worried that we will settle accounts with him when we become stronger!"
"For the Allied Powers, the Allied Powers provided huge military loans to the Tsarist Russian government during the previous four years of war. The Mosin Nagant rifles of the Tsarist Russian Army were even mainly produced with the help of American arsenals. Most of the arms payments were It’s still owed, not to mention that the governments and financial groups of the Allied countries are holding astronomical amounts of Tsarist-Russian bonds.”
Zinoviev sighed, and continued, "Only if the Allied Powers continue to tie us to their chariots, can these debts have a chance to be repaid. One of the important reasons why we lost the support of the Allied Powers was the announcement of the abolition of Tsarist Russia. All foreign debts owed by fu.
And the all-Russian interim government of Kolchak vowed to inherit all the credits and debts of the Tsarist Russian government, as long as the Allied Powers support and recognize his regime as the legal government of Russia."
Before Zinoviev finished speaking, Bukharin waved his hands and continued to shout, "We abolish all treaties, covenants, debts and loans between Tsarist Russia and the imperialist countries. It is an established policy and must not be changed. We are the revolution to overthrow the tsarist rule. Bolsheviks, we are not opportunists and insiders like the Left SRs and Mensheviks!"
Ulyanov reached out to Bukharin and made a shut-up gesture to stop the chatter of the editor-in-chief of "Pravda".
"Zinoviev, you said that the Allied forces must cross the river. Is it because they want to choke Germany and Austria on the Eastern Front? In order to ease the passive situation of the Allied Powers on the Western Front?" Trotsky was deeply moved, and suddenly heard Zinoviev's words imply.
Ulyanov raised his eyebrows, touched his shiny forehead and understood a little bit.
"According to my judgment, this is indeed the case, Comrade Trotsky, the purpose of the Allied forces appearing west of the Ural Mountains was not to fight for Kolchak's territory, it was just a matter of raking grass and hunting rabbits. I guess the Allied Powers China and Japan have become powerful forces in the East that cannot be underestimated after the alliance, but it is obviously unrealistic for them to go to the western front to fight on the French battlefield across the ocean!"
"So you think the coalition forces dispatched to the west of the Ural Mountains are mainly for the purpose of rushing to the Eastern Front to fight against the Allies?" Ulyanov interjected.
"Eight is inseparable from ten, but because the Soviet Russian government and Germany and Austria have ceased war and even have a private strategic cooperation and alliance in it, this has caused the Allied Forces to solve our obstacle before they can free up their hands to fight Germany and Austria. !” Zinoviev nodded.
"This is really fucking difficult. We can't afford to provoke Deo now, and we can't afford to provoke the coalition forces in Ufa. If this continues, even the White Guards will ride on us! What should we do? !" Comrade Ulyanov swears again in a hurry.
"At present, Germany and Austria still have at least the Allied forces on the western front to hold them back for a while. If Ufa's coalition forces are determined to support Kolchak, they will be able to attack Moscow within a month at the latest! Kamenev sighed.
"Ri and Japan are considered to be an alliance. Is there enough strength to fight against Germany and Austria after traveling thousands of miles? It is not enough to fight against the Allies with 10,000+ or 10,000+ troops. The industrial base is poor and empty, at most it can be regarded as a giant with mud feet, so the armies of these two countries are qualified to fight against Ludendorff's main force?"
Ulyanov looked puzzled. In his opinion, the Chinese and the Japanese may have come to the west of the Ural Mountains for a while to meet the requests of the three bosses of the Allied Powers, the United States, Britain and France. How many troops are there in the whole country?How many troops are there in the whole of Japan?Do you have the confidence and strength to fight with the Allies?
"How many troops are there in Ufa's coalition forces? Do they have the ability to go to the Eastern Front?" Ulyanov asked Dzerzhinsky suspiciously.
Dzerzhinsky blushed. The work carried out by the Chekas of the Eastern Front was far inferior to that of the Chekas of the Southern Front supported by Joseph. In addition to countering counter-revolutionaries, intelligence work was also an important part of the work of the Cheka, a secret force. The news that can come back from the right bank of the Volga is very limited.
"The Japanese army only has 20 standing divisions, and there are at least five or more disbanded divisions. It is estimated that the opponent's active army has at most 30 people. During the year, there were roughly 20 to 30 divisions, and the total number may be 60 to 90!" Zinoviev said aside.
"You said this last time. I mean, how many people have been dispatched by the coalition forces on both sides of the Ural Mountains, and how many coalition forces have wiped out more than 20 of our troops on the Ufa battlefield? Ter Rensky, you are in charge of intelligence work, haven't you figured this out yet?"
Ulyanov was obviously in a hurry and yelled at Dzerzhinsky.
"According to my judgment, the Ufa coalition forces have integrated the Russian troops, the Chinese troops and the Japanese troops into a unified command. Judging from the opponent's battle report, the Russian troops that belonged to the White Guards should have at least eight infantry divisions and one cavalry division. As for the size of the Chinese troops of the coalition forces and the Japanese troops, it is hard to say." It was Trotsky who stood up to rescue the blushing Dzerzhinsky.
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