warring states careerist
Chapter 148 Taking advantage of gold and jade to return the wrong path
Chapter 148 The Hundred Vehicles
After sorting out his thoughts, he first asked: "Profit and harm can be compared. If a person wants money, then getting money is profit, and losing money is harm. This is the same thing. Do you agree?"
At this time, the debates of hundreds of schools need to lay down the tone and dig a hole first, and the Mohist school pays special attention to it.
Ren Ke didn't answer right away, because he knew that there were many pitfalls in the Mohist debate technique. After careful consideration for a long time, he felt that he couldn't find too many faults, so he said, "That's right, I can agree with it."
Shi said again: "That's it. If the world is poor, you should work on the rich; if the people are few, you should work on the crowd; if the crowd is chaotic, you should work on the governance. If you can do this, do you think it can be regarded as benefiting the world? "
Ren Ke nodded here, and immediately said at the opportunity: "If you can't do these things, but instead make the world poorer, the people less and less, and the political affairs more chaotic, that can be considered as harming the world. Is that so?"
Because the keynote principle of contradictory interests has been set before, even if it is not appropriate to ask, he can continue to talk at this time, but he needs to let Ren Ke say it himself.
If Ren Ke disagrees, it means that he disagrees with what he has agreed to before, so he has to admit it if he doesn't admit it.
It seems that these few words are nonsense, but the few people such as Bian 54 and Mo Di nodded secretly, thinking that this time, they are already invincible.
Their eyes were sharp, Ren Ke hadn't noticed that he had fallen into the big pit dug by Mo Zhe, and after thinking about it, he said yes.
Shi Zheng said: "Then, let's see whether the existing rules of heavy burial and long funeral can benefit the world. First, let's see if the number of people is small, whether it can increase the number of people."
"Nowadays, the country is governed by the principle of rich burial and long mourning. When the king dies, he wears mourning for three years; All concubines die for one year in mourning; close relatives die for five months; aunts, sisters, nephews, and aunts die for a certain number of months. This is an existing rule in the world, and it is also opposed by the Mohists. Rules, this is not slander."
Ren Kegang wanted to say that this is the foundation of benevolence and righteousness. When a person is unfilial, what would happen, he suddenly thought of a question...
What the Mohists just said about benefiting the world and harming the world did not talk about morality, but only used the three standards of wealth increase, population growth, and political governance to calm down.
If he wants to say that this is the basis of benevolence and righteousness, Ren Ke knows that this is tantamount to admitting defeat on this topic, and instead turns to a new debate on the basis of benevolence and righteousness.
He bit the bullet and listened to Shi's words, and he felt that he seemed to have fallen into a trap from the very beginning, so he couldn't help being on guard, and he would refute when Shi said a wrong sentence.
But there is no way to refute it now, because I just stated the current custom of mass burial and long mourning, which is a fact.Facts cannot be refuted, only conclusions drawn from facts can be refuted.
Using the examples already mentioned, Shi said: "What is the consequence of such a long mourning?"
"It will make people thin and dark, with dull ears, dull eyes, and weak hands and feet, so they can't do things."
"Some people even said: When the upper-class scholars are in mourning, they must be supported to stand up and walk with crutches. Live in this way for three years."
"Then, according to the rules of long-term mourning, people can't bear the cold in winter and the scorching heat in summer. They may starve to death during the funeral, and flee after the funeral. It can be said that it is innumerable."
"I don't want to have sex when it's cold, I don't want to have sex when it's hot, I don't want to have sex when I'm hungry, I don't want to have sex when I'm fleeing in a panic."
"In doing so, it is bound to greatly impair the copulation between men and women."
"Therefore, seeking to increase the population by means of heavy burials and long funerals is like seeking longevity by putting people on the edge of a sword. Not only will the increase in population not be achieved, it will actually lead to a decrease in the population."
"Since an increase in population is beneficial to the world, a decrease in population is harmful to the world."
"So, if the current system and customs are not changed, it is actually harming the world. So is the morality of Mohists meaningless to benefit the world?"
Ren Ke never expected to discuss the issue of population increase or decrease from the perspective of mourning affecting the sexual intercourse of men and women... Can this kind of thing be said so bluntly and vulgarly?
But he didn't know that the Mohists had always discussed this kind of thing straightforwardly, the so-called "there are too many friends between defeated men and women".
What’s more, the Mohists directly criticize the reason why some big countries start wars at every turn: “Soldiers are recruited to go out all year round, which leads to couples getting together less and leaving more, and there is no chance to have sex at all. This will reduce the population...”
This is neither talking about etiquette nor morality, but directly speaking with specific reasons, which is straightforward and difficult to refute.
Where did Ren Ke think that Mo Zhe would talk about copulation? After thinking about it for a long time, he felt that if he followed Mo Zhe's way, he would definitely have to get involved, so he could only find a way to kill Shi Shi's spirit first.
After thinking for a long time, he said angrily: "I heard people say that Mohists have their own benevolence and righteousness. But when it comes to the people here, they treat the people like wild animals and talk about their copulation. Isn't this something that Yidi can do? Is it? Is it the benevolence and righteousness of the Mohists to regard people as beasts and things?"
"Farmers will plant seeds in the ground, and then say that there will be a lot of harvest in autumn. Could it be that the Mohist regards the people in the world as the food grown by farmers?"
"I can no longer talk to you, Mo Zhe is insulting people. People are not animals, so you can't think about it this way."
Shi snorted and asked back, "If you violated the prohibition and killed someone, and I say you killed someone, do you think I'm insulting you?"
"Nowadays, the kings of the world are fighting today and tomorrow they are conscripting to repair the palace. Don't they treat people as animals? To feed animals, they still need to prepare food to feed them, but people in the world need to grow their own plants and then be recruited. In the eyes of kings, they are even worse than animals."
"You say that the Mohists talk about copulation, but they are not looking at people as humans. So don't people have copulation? If people are copulatory, and copulation is the only way to increase population, then talking about population increase does not talk about copulation, Isn't it as ridiculous as talking about planting and not being allowed to talk about land and seeds?"
"Besides, I am arguing with you on the basis of the world you understand, because I understand the world you understand, but you cannot understand the world understood by us Mohists. Do you need to learn from us what the Mohists think is beneficial to the world first?" What is your world?"
When Ren Ke didn't know how to answer, Shi asked anxiously: "Don't Marquis Wei want Wei's population to increase?"
Ren Ke shook his head and said, "No."
"Then don't Wei people need their parents' copulation at birth?"
"Not at all."
"Then I don't know why you think Mohists treat people like animals and goods when they talk about sex."
Ren Ke murmured: "It's just that no one has ever said that."
"No one has ever said that wheat can be planted in winter, so don't you know that winter wheat has been harvested in Pei County? Someone must say it before it can be considered reasonable?"
Ren Ke thought for a while, then remained silent for a long time, and finally admitted in his heart what Mo Zhe said... Although it is vulgar to a certain level, it cannot be truer than it is true.
The population actually increases in this way, but no one has ever pointed out how to effectively increase the population.
Whether it is benevolent government or well fields, it seems that as long as this is done, the population will naturally increase.
But these Mohists shamelessly and uninterestingly exposed the vulgar and shallow truth hidden under the great principles.
Ren Ke has never seen such a debate. It does not talk about sage kings, Tang and Wu, or even Yu, who is revered by Mohists, but uses the most basic and real things to connect such things as population, copulation, and the world. together.
He wiped his sweat secretly, and finally realized that the opponents he was going to debate today were completely different from those he had encountered before.
They don't make sense...but they do make sense.
It's just that the truth believed by the Mohists is the will of heaven, not the way of sages or the words of Tang Wu.
What is Tianzhi?
Ren Ke thought for a long time and felt that he understood.
Tianzhi means that people need to be born by their mothers, and they need to have sex before they can be born. For sex, they need not to be hungry, not to be cold, not to be hot, to have surplus money, and to be able to get together.
In the end, what is to be considered is not a general, seemingly unvulgar, increase in population that saints would have spoken of.
Instead, we need to consider how to have sex, and then analyze the reasons that affect it, and then solve those reasons.
This can really solve the problem.
Very simple reason.But no one has ever said it so bluntly.
When the Mohists talk about population... it seems that they are always so straightforward.Ok.It's a very simple truth, but you have to cover it up. This is not good, so the Mohists should get rid of the old habits they have.
(End of this chapter)
After sorting out his thoughts, he first asked: "Profit and harm can be compared. If a person wants money, then getting money is profit, and losing money is harm. This is the same thing. Do you agree?"
At this time, the debates of hundreds of schools need to lay down the tone and dig a hole first, and the Mohist school pays special attention to it.
Ren Ke didn't answer right away, because he knew that there were many pitfalls in the Mohist debate technique. After careful consideration for a long time, he felt that he couldn't find too many faults, so he said, "That's right, I can agree with it."
Shi said again: "That's it. If the world is poor, you should work on the rich; if the people are few, you should work on the crowd; if the crowd is chaotic, you should work on the governance. If you can do this, do you think it can be regarded as benefiting the world? "
Ren Ke nodded here, and immediately said at the opportunity: "If you can't do these things, but instead make the world poorer, the people less and less, and the political affairs more chaotic, that can be considered as harming the world. Is that so?"
Because the keynote principle of contradictory interests has been set before, even if it is not appropriate to ask, he can continue to talk at this time, but he needs to let Ren Ke say it himself.
If Ren Ke disagrees, it means that he disagrees with what he has agreed to before, so he has to admit it if he doesn't admit it.
It seems that these few words are nonsense, but the few people such as Bian 54 and Mo Di nodded secretly, thinking that this time, they are already invincible.
Their eyes were sharp, Ren Ke hadn't noticed that he had fallen into the big pit dug by Mo Zhe, and after thinking about it, he said yes.
Shi Zheng said: "Then, let's see whether the existing rules of heavy burial and long funeral can benefit the world. First, let's see if the number of people is small, whether it can increase the number of people."
"Nowadays, the country is governed by the principle of rich burial and long mourning. When the king dies, he wears mourning for three years; All concubines die for one year in mourning; close relatives die for five months; aunts, sisters, nephews, and aunts die for a certain number of months. This is an existing rule in the world, and it is also opposed by the Mohists. Rules, this is not slander."
Ren Kegang wanted to say that this is the foundation of benevolence and righteousness. When a person is unfilial, what would happen, he suddenly thought of a question...
What the Mohists just said about benefiting the world and harming the world did not talk about morality, but only used the three standards of wealth increase, population growth, and political governance to calm down.
If he wants to say that this is the basis of benevolence and righteousness, Ren Ke knows that this is tantamount to admitting defeat on this topic, and instead turns to a new debate on the basis of benevolence and righteousness.
He bit the bullet and listened to Shi's words, and he felt that he seemed to have fallen into a trap from the very beginning, so he couldn't help being on guard, and he would refute when Shi said a wrong sentence.
But there is no way to refute it now, because I just stated the current custom of mass burial and long mourning, which is a fact.Facts cannot be refuted, only conclusions drawn from facts can be refuted.
Using the examples already mentioned, Shi said: "What is the consequence of such a long mourning?"
"It will make people thin and dark, with dull ears, dull eyes, and weak hands and feet, so they can't do things."
"Some people even said: When the upper-class scholars are in mourning, they must be supported to stand up and walk with crutches. Live in this way for three years."
"Then, according to the rules of long-term mourning, people can't bear the cold in winter and the scorching heat in summer. They may starve to death during the funeral, and flee after the funeral. It can be said that it is innumerable."
"I don't want to have sex when it's cold, I don't want to have sex when it's hot, I don't want to have sex when I'm hungry, I don't want to have sex when I'm fleeing in a panic."
"In doing so, it is bound to greatly impair the copulation between men and women."
"Therefore, seeking to increase the population by means of heavy burials and long funerals is like seeking longevity by putting people on the edge of a sword. Not only will the increase in population not be achieved, it will actually lead to a decrease in the population."
"Since an increase in population is beneficial to the world, a decrease in population is harmful to the world."
"So, if the current system and customs are not changed, it is actually harming the world. So is the morality of Mohists meaningless to benefit the world?"
Ren Ke never expected to discuss the issue of population increase or decrease from the perspective of mourning affecting the sexual intercourse of men and women... Can this kind of thing be said so bluntly and vulgarly?
But he didn't know that the Mohists had always discussed this kind of thing straightforwardly, the so-called "there are too many friends between defeated men and women".
What’s more, the Mohists directly criticize the reason why some big countries start wars at every turn: “Soldiers are recruited to go out all year round, which leads to couples getting together less and leaving more, and there is no chance to have sex at all. This will reduce the population...”
This is neither talking about etiquette nor morality, but directly speaking with specific reasons, which is straightforward and difficult to refute.
Where did Ren Ke think that Mo Zhe would talk about copulation? After thinking about it for a long time, he felt that if he followed Mo Zhe's way, he would definitely have to get involved, so he could only find a way to kill Shi Shi's spirit first.
After thinking for a long time, he said angrily: "I heard people say that Mohists have their own benevolence and righteousness. But when it comes to the people here, they treat the people like wild animals and talk about their copulation. Isn't this something that Yidi can do? Is it? Is it the benevolence and righteousness of the Mohists to regard people as beasts and things?"
"Farmers will plant seeds in the ground, and then say that there will be a lot of harvest in autumn. Could it be that the Mohist regards the people in the world as the food grown by farmers?"
"I can no longer talk to you, Mo Zhe is insulting people. People are not animals, so you can't think about it this way."
Shi snorted and asked back, "If you violated the prohibition and killed someone, and I say you killed someone, do you think I'm insulting you?"
"Nowadays, the kings of the world are fighting today and tomorrow they are conscripting to repair the palace. Don't they treat people as animals? To feed animals, they still need to prepare food to feed them, but people in the world need to grow their own plants and then be recruited. In the eyes of kings, they are even worse than animals."
"You say that the Mohists talk about copulation, but they are not looking at people as humans. So don't people have copulation? If people are copulatory, and copulation is the only way to increase population, then talking about population increase does not talk about copulation, Isn't it as ridiculous as talking about planting and not being allowed to talk about land and seeds?"
"Besides, I am arguing with you on the basis of the world you understand, because I understand the world you understand, but you cannot understand the world understood by us Mohists. Do you need to learn from us what the Mohists think is beneficial to the world first?" What is your world?"
When Ren Ke didn't know how to answer, Shi asked anxiously: "Don't Marquis Wei want Wei's population to increase?"
Ren Ke shook his head and said, "No."
"Then don't Wei people need their parents' copulation at birth?"
"Not at all."
"Then I don't know why you think Mohists treat people like animals and goods when they talk about sex."
Ren Ke murmured: "It's just that no one has ever said that."
"No one has ever said that wheat can be planted in winter, so don't you know that winter wheat has been harvested in Pei County? Someone must say it before it can be considered reasonable?"
Ren Ke thought for a while, then remained silent for a long time, and finally admitted in his heart what Mo Zhe said... Although it is vulgar to a certain level, it cannot be truer than it is true.
The population actually increases in this way, but no one has ever pointed out how to effectively increase the population.
Whether it is benevolent government or well fields, it seems that as long as this is done, the population will naturally increase.
But these Mohists shamelessly and uninterestingly exposed the vulgar and shallow truth hidden under the great principles.
Ren Ke has never seen such a debate. It does not talk about sage kings, Tang and Wu, or even Yu, who is revered by Mohists, but uses the most basic and real things to connect such things as population, copulation, and the world. together.
He wiped his sweat secretly, and finally realized that the opponents he was going to debate today were completely different from those he had encountered before.
They don't make sense...but they do make sense.
It's just that the truth believed by the Mohists is the will of heaven, not the way of sages or the words of Tang Wu.
What is Tianzhi?
Ren Ke thought for a long time and felt that he understood.
Tianzhi means that people need to be born by their mothers, and they need to have sex before they can be born. For sex, they need not to be hungry, not to be cold, not to be hot, to have surplus money, and to be able to get together.
In the end, what is to be considered is not a general, seemingly unvulgar, increase in population that saints would have spoken of.
Instead, we need to consider how to have sex, and then analyze the reasons that affect it, and then solve those reasons.
This can really solve the problem.
Very simple reason.But no one has ever said it so bluntly.
When the Mohists talk about population... it seems that they are always so straightforward.Ok.It's a very simple truth, but you have to cover it up. This is not good, so the Mohists should get rid of the old habits they have.
(End of this chapter)
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